Cymatics Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 You are now 70 years old, and after decades of boozing, drugs, smashing, partying and inhaling spray paint fumes, you're feeling something awful and on top of that mother nature's death grip of aging is tightening. So my question to you is...do you say, "ah fuck it, it was a good run" and die? Or take a trip down to your local hospital and get life extension/age reversal therapy to reek havoc for another 70 years? This is Aubrey de Grey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey he claims that the way we age is a disease and it needs to be cured. interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1wFzUqVCzQ&feature=related also peep this: http://m.thestandard.com/news/2009/10/05/ibm-aims-personalized-medicine-dna-chip yes? no? thoughts anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Aubrey de Grey is a pretty interesting guy. I like futurists who are actually involved in research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymatics Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Aubrey de Grey is a pretty interesting guy. I like futurists who are actually involved in research. Right on, same here. so i take that as a yes? you would get the therapy? so far the people i showed his vids to that i know, think its amazing or what not but at the same time gave this a no go...on some.."who would want to live that long anyways" which i understand. but I wonder if they would have the same answer if it was actually available, affordable and with no side effects a.k.a "shit hittin' the fan" ya know? I probably should of posted this as a poll, oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_R_O_N Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 if i lived a full healthy fun life then no...people need to die, its just another step in the journey we call life. Fuck being around to see history repeat itself over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Yeah I don't know....Interesting read for sure. But Somedays I kinda wanna die. Plus Life for 100+ years sounds like too much work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I've read about these 'extension' therapies... uh, for my friends... and I have figured out that most of them are a scam... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymatics Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I think he was joking about "enhancing that certain male part." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymatics Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 aaah damn it, didnt catch that....fuck it i'll leave the link anyways as reference http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16593&ch=biotech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Considering that we live a lot longer than previous generations and that already has an impact on society as a whole then I think that making us live longer would just create havoc unless he is proposing a way to regenerate your body into a younger version cos why the hell would you want to live longer in an old broken down body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymatics Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Considering that we live a lot longer than previous generations and that already has an impact on society as a whole then I think that making us live longer would just create havoc unless he is proposing a way to regenerate your body into a younger version cos why the hell would you want to live longer in an old broken down body but he is proposing a way to regenerate the body that's the whole point of his work.. the key words he's always using is "rejuvenation" , "reversal", and "repairing". i thought it was all explained in the links i posted? with the exception of the ibm one. i remember watching the lecture he gave on the ted site, he mention that the therapy would make the average human look like around their 40's no matter how old they are. is this what you mean?.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejuvenation_(aging)#Strategies_for_Engineered_Negligible_Senescence_.28SENS.29 as far as society/environment goes.. i personally don't buy into that whole overpopulation..running out of resources claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainframe Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 as far as society/environment goes.. i personally don't buy into that whole overpopulation..running out of resources claim. Why do think your opinion on this is valid? Overpopulation and resource management are very important issues that are backed up by a lot of data. They are also very complex issues that are not fully captured in popular ready-to-digest news media format. Not enough people have an appreciation of the amount of research and expertise that goes into these 'claims.' Overpopulation is a reality in many parts of the planet, and resource shortages go hand in hand. Obviously these things don't affect the population of the United States in the same way at this moment in time. It's ok to be skeptical but this type of 'claim' isn't exactly up for debate in the same way that political issues are. I understand that environmental science is highly politicized these days but people need to recognize that there is still science behind it and people are shitting on the careers of thousands of hard working scientists by dismissing their evidence and consensus in one ignorant little swoop. To a degree it's like saying "I don't buy into quantum physics, personally," or "Calculus sounds nice but I don't really believe in integrals, you know?" That turned into a general rant that wasn't entirely directed at you, but I am wondering what expertise or scientific sources you have that lead you to doubt overpopulation or resource shortages are problems today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymatics Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Why do think your opinion on this is valid? Overpopulation and resource management are very important issues that are backed up by a lot of data. They are also very complex issues that are not fully captured in popular ready-to-digest news media format. Not enough people have an appreciation of the amount of research and expertise that goes into these 'claims.' Overpopulation is a reality in many parts of the planet, and resource shortages go hand in hand. Obviously these things don't affect the population of the United States in the same way at this moment in time. It's ok to be skeptical but this type of 'claim' isn't exactly up for debate in the same way that political issues are. I understand that environmental science is highly politicized these days but people need to recognize that there is still science behind it and people are shitting on the careers of thousands of hard working scientists by dismissing their evidence and consensus in one ignorant little swoop. To a degree it's like saying "I don't buy into quantum physics, personally," or "Calculus sounds nice but I don't really believe in integrals, you know?" That turned into a general rant that wasn't entirely directed at you, but I am wondering what expertise or scientific sources you have that lead you to doubt overpopulation or resource shortages are problems today. it was just an opinion not fact. i brought it up because decyferon mentioned "impact on society" and "create havoc" which i figured thats what he was getting at. also, no i don't have scientific data. but i have seen conflicting reports. and its hard to believe that type of agenda when you have someone like Al Gore being a huge supporter of it who is a politician. just look at how much we've been lied to through religion, politics and mainstream media i know it sounds cliche but its true just look around you, it aint hard to tell. the key word is opinion and that's why i threw it in there. there's a reason why new york and los angeles call the entire midwest "the sticks". also your quantum/calculus analogy was a low blow haha. well anyways.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ySv&q=scientist+petition+against+global+warming&start=10&sa=N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Knight Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 this is some vanilla sky type shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainframe Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Well, of course your opinion is valid, strictly speaking. I'm just pointing out that the issue is hardly subjective. I can understand why someone might be skeptical, given little education on the matter. A lot of the shit floating out there in the mainstream media is indeed conflicting and misleading, and it doesn't help that Al Gore is out there being a doofus (though I still think he means well.) No worries, I can see where you're coming from. I'm coming from the perspective of a recent graduate in a field related to environmental science, and a family that is deeply involved in science. I actually took an intro course in global change that focused on human impacts, and even such a cursory experience shed light on a wealth of relevant information. Anyway the point is, I don't like to see people write off the scientific community as if it were another political entity. It's not. This is totally taking your thread on a tangent, but I guess it relates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 yea sorry if my response was a bit skewed, I was on my wife's iphone and hadn't read through every link you posted. Personally I don't see why you would want to live for so long, why? life is there for enjoying while we are here, I do believe that the impact on over population would be a consideration if people were able to live longer. I wouldn't want to do it myself, if I was able to rejuvenate my body etc then it would just mean I would have to keep working to support myself and then you would have these Rich business men who would just keep extending their lives and getting into so Lex Luthor style shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbsyntec Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 If he can use something to this affect to accidentally cure cancer, that would be awesome. Other than that...eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I never said I was cool. Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 The world is over populated as it is... Imagine if everyone lived to be 140? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Mamerro Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Overpopulation is still subjective to resource consumption patterns and behavior. We could easily handle additional population load if our living methods were sustainable and unexploitative of resources. Fat chance of that ever happening though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Mamerro Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 In related news, I might get to see Aubrey De Grey talk at this event in December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymatics Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 :huh2: whhaaat. dope! let us know how it went with a thread. id like to hear what you gotta say about him and his lecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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