TheoHuxtable.. Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Blah blah blah blah blah http://www.cis.org/articles/2009/CRS_Report_on_HR3200.pdf * some illegal immigrants -- those who "meet the substantial presence test" -- would be taxed if they don't obtain health insurance that meets the requirements of the law; * there are no immigration-related restrictions on who can participate President Obama’s proposed health insurance exchanges; * to qualify for any subsidies for health insurance, "individuals must be lawfully present in a state in the United States." That does not preclude those in this country legally who have illegal immigrants in their family from qualifying for the subsidies. * how will the government make sure that subsidies don't go to illegal immigrants? The mechanism is left entirely up to the Health Commissioner, who is instructed by law that he or must have some process to establish immigration status before giving subsidies. Sec. 241(b)(1), pg 130 : “the Commissioner shall establish a process whereby, on the basis of information otherwise available, individuals may be deemed to be affordable credit eligible individuals." That “shall” is key. Blah blah blah... I'm reading you what the bill itself says, not some opinion column some independent group has about the bill. Look at the bill itself, not what hatemongering right wingers want you to believe about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 So the bill has nothing to do with more government control over an already govt controlled healthcare system ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoHuxtable.. Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 How is the healthcare system "already government controlled"? Of all Westernized countries, the US has the least government control in the healthcare system. The federal government little input in regulating how insurance companies behave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 What are you talking about?? The government regulates every single aspect of the healthcare system. We have a totally fascist healthcare system. Totally merged corporations and gov. Just because slot of countries have MORE regulation than the US doesn't mean we have a free system. We just have a slightly less controlled medical industrial complex than other countries. But fascism is still fascism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoHuxtable.. Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 What are you talking about?? The government regulates every single aspect of the healthcare system. We have a totally fascist healthcare system. Totally merged corporations and gov. Just because slot of countries have MORE regulation than the US doesn't mean we have a free system. We just have a slightly less controlled medical industrial complex than other countries. But fascism is still fascism You are nuts. If the health insurance companies & government are working together, then why are health insurance companies unhappy about this latest *government* health care bill that will help regulate health insurance companies' unfair practices? Health care companies do not want this bill to pass for the obvious reasons. The public option; a competing government health care insurance option, is a nightmare to health insurance companies. Along with other plans that will make it illegal. Health insurance companies are currently at odds with the federal government; not working together. And that's a completely false statement to say that the government "regulates every single aspect" of healthcare. With the exception of Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA -- our health care system is based on for-profit free markets. If you want to see far more government controlled healthcare systems, go to Canada or Europe. The problem is that there is not enough government regulation & oversight in the health care market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Neither is "free" healthcare. And sure as fuck isn't what we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 CNN correspondent tries to demonize Joe Wilson Joe Wilson is a fucking moron. As is anybody who supports him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'm only a fan because Obama had just finished telling the Republicans they were liars. Wilson stood up and did the right thing. Obama is lying about what the bill says. The Republicans ARE liars. As is Joe Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 yup... bush and obama lied. nothing new. to hell with them all if you ask me. You're a fucking idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 i think its pretty silly to think they are backed by 'corporate' interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Wrong. It's very diverse. Just b/c Beck is attempting to hijack it doesn't mean it's Fox "news" sponsoring it. Wrong. Nobody ever heard of this "teaparty" bullshit before Fox News tried to hijack a historic moment in American history to try and co-opt the shit to fit their twisted agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You watch that shit don't you? Apparently you do. I can't believe how blatantly you're exposing yourself as a fox News fan. What happened to you Casek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 its ignorant to think that coverage WONT go to some illegals who slip through the cracks What's even more ignorant is these Republican faggots bitching about how they're for "less government", yet they're for more government when it comes to keeping out the browns. :dunce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Clinton started the wiretapping. http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws4.htm Bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I feel sorry for you. My grandparents and aunt are (were?) like that. Fox news all day, every day. The mind control is the news babes who talk to you like they want your dick in their mouth and the handsome news guy who wants to give granny the dick. You watch fox News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 No one wanted to interrupt the monkey (Bush) b/c they were curious what the dumbfuck would say next. Are you on drugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 i think you are still just falling onto the fake propaganda ads of the washington dc-ites. You have to be the dumbest motherfucker in Crossfire. You're seriously stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 No wonder how you have almost 20k posts. You just had to reply to this thread 12 times in a row to get your point across. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I just think it's silly to only harp on bush [ATTACH]119033.vB[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 What do you think about Lincoln then ?? Bush is nothing but a 21st century Lincoln [ATTACH]119034.vB[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 What are you talking about?? The government regulates every single aspect of the healthcare system. We have a totally fascist healthcare system. Totally merged corporations and gov. Just because slot of countries have MORE regulation than the US doesn't mean we have a free system. We just have a slightly less controlled medical industrial complex than other countries. But fascism is still fascism [ATTACH]119037.vB[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 No wonder how you have almost 20k posts. You just had to reply to this thread 12 times in a row to get your point across. LOL! I'm responding to different posts as I read them. If more than one person says some retarded ass shit, then I'm going to respond to more than one post. :dunce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lord_casek Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Wrong. Nobody ever heard of this "teaparty" bullshit before Fox News tried to hijack a historic moment in American history to try and co-opt the shit to fit their twisted agenda. Christ, are you drunk? I almost want to report you for flaming. First: The teaparties were done by the Ron Paul supporters during his campaign. Second: No, I don't watch television. Especially not Fox news. Third: Yes, Clinton started the wiretapping on American citizens. It's very provable. Fourth: Settle the fuck down and be a man about this. It's a damned discussion, not Channel Zero. Sure, it can seem like an argument but it's not. All of us like to keep it somewhat friendly in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You are nuts. If the health insurance companies & government are working together, then why are health insurance companies unhappy about this latest *government* health care bill that will help regulate health insurance companies' unfair practices? Health care companies do not want this bill to pass for the obvious reasons. The public option; a competing government health care insurance option, is a nightmare to health insurance companies. Along with other plans that will make it illegal. Health insurance companies are currently at odds with the federal government; not working together. And that's a completely false statement to say that the government "regulates every single aspect" of healthcare. With the exception of Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA -- our health care system is based on for-profit free markets. If you want to see far more government controlled healthcare systems, go to Canada or Europe. The problem is that there is not enough government regulation & oversight in the health care market. eh, leave it to a socialist to say that an already government over regulated market, healthcare is not regulated enough. so to sum up your argument, because healthcare operates with a profit motive, as does everything else in the entire country, it is some how not regulated enough. you also believe guns are not regulated enough, yet no gun owner in the entire country can possibly follow all the 20,000 gun laws on the books already. every gun owner has broken at aleast some law governing victimless human behavior. this in no way gives crimes with a victim, such as rape, murder, theft, etc. a free pass or laws a free pass that forbid it. i am talking about if a weapon is carried in a car to a shooting range and the magazine is inside the case instead of stored separately. or if transporting a weapon home from hunting and you stop at a mcdonalds to eat. you are illegally transporting a weapon in some states. no shit. as it is with healthcare. there is no direct choice between a patient and a doctor. the federal government essentially created the employer/healthcare merger. the insurance lobby in DC is huge. the government forces hospitals to treat people who cant pay. if this is done voluntarily like in the mission hospital ron paul used to work at, all for the better, but mandating is a different story. my family doctor recently shut his doors because he cannot pay the insane amounts of taxes, regulatory fees, government induced insurance company mandates... they decided to close up shop. sure healthcare companies dont want a total socialization of the medical sector. they like the fascist system better. to say that the federal government is at odds with the insurance companies is like saying wall street is at odds with the federal government. end of story. do some research. get off the obama/biden website and look at how medical services actually work. what is the entire 'crisis' about? its about high prices that were brought on by intrusive government. if you reduce the prices, there is no more crisis. health insurance companies essentially lobbied for hte policies that led to the high prices which therefore made them a bigger player in the field. before the 70's health insurance companies were small potatoes. most people paid cash for medical services, they were relatively cheap. why is 'profit' so bad? do you work for a profit? are you a greedy capitialist?? would you believe the greedy capitalist pigs also profit off of peoples starvation! why my goodness they charge for food!!! omg! or those greedy capitalists feeding on peoples nakedness and charging for clothes!! where does it stop, theo? when you have totally taken over the entire economy? why is there no public outrage about these capitalists? why arent you lobbying to shut down whole foods, giant and kroger? they are raping the public! eh, better be careful what i talk about... in 20 years when some government intervention comes along and raise the price of food and people need to take out food insurance, there will be a new crisis and a call for universal food services. if you turn our horrible un free fascist system into a socialized system you will end up with worse service, horrible waits (check some of the wait times in canada for heart problems) and a whole other set of problems, worse than what we have now. all those people from canada wont be able to come here to pay for services to get their problems handled. both the US and canada will be F'ed. oh, and im all for reform. im for 100% deregulation of the healthcare system. a total free market. a true division of services and labor and a totally free doctor patient relationship without the forces of the government getting in my business. this shouldnt sound looney to you at all, after all the healthcare system has NO regulation at all at the present, so there is no change right? why would we want the folks who took US boys to iraq on false pretenses, passed the patriot act and every other manner of terrible legislation, the people who are daily engaged in corruption, illegal activities and constitution trampling, people who have no respect for the rule of law, who run our dmv's, who make careers out of wasting tax payer money on stupidity, who build bridges to no where, who think that the arts would not exist without federal funding... why should we let this criminal government totally take over one of the most important sectors of the economy? why? how can we trust the people who gave us gitmo, abu ghraib, burned 80 people in waco texas in 1993, shot a mother holding a baby in ruby creek idaho the year before, that have repeatedly broken their oath to protect and defend the constitution, who cant even run the post office or amtrack at a profit, ... why in the HELL WOULD WE GIVE THEM TOTAL CONTROL OF HEALTHCARE!?!?!?!? this is the problem. the neo con right thinks the state at home is a bad thing. that it supposedly should be reduced, yet they still vote to increase it. they think the state can do whatever it wants abroad though. the liberal left think that the state should only do warm cuddly things like provide for hte poor, engage in total socialization of the economy on the scale of lenin, stalin and mao, as well as go abroad in the name of spreading aid. both are horrible and each side log rolls to get what they want. but thinking the state can actually engage in warm cuddly things like aiding the poor and providing free healthcare, is like wishing for a lion that only purrs and cuddles with you or having a rattle snake that only provides percussive accompaniment to mariachi music. that dog dont hunt. that lion or rattle snake can also kill you. if you give the government 100% reign of healthcare, we will further build the totalitarian state on our own shores. we must stop every encroachment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEVEL 75 PALADIN Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 i think its pretty silly to think they are backed by 'corporate' interest. the tea party i went to this year, were just normal ass people. they werent 'plants' they are just normal outraged people at a slightly more tuned up socialism as opposed to the slightly less socialism that has occurred with the last administration. Ahem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 oh yeah... let me believe everything they say... just like i believe every thing fox says. why would i concern myself with partisan hacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Because they are right. They just said so. I see no reason to debate that. /Sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 yeah, we might as well think ron paul supporters are terrorists (glenn beck) and iraq had wmd's (all mainstream outlets, democratic congress and president) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 We are terrorists. Our manual is the Constitution. We are a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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