RUSO Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 tea baggers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I find it interesting that whenever issues involving a corporitist relationship between business and state like this are raised it is considered to be a problem of capitalism. It is tragic that native people are being forced from their tradtional land, but I dont see it as a problem with captialism per se. More so a problem caused by general apathy towards coercive force. In absense of capitalism, the same scenario is played out where any powerfull group is prepared to use force to gain access to resources in an area occupied by traditional peoples. But hey, we discussed this kind of stuff in the other thread and you didn't reply. Holy hell my bad! I didn't reply in the other thread because I was away from electricity for a very long time and when I came back my thoughts in the discussion no longer seemed relevant.. I almost forgot about this one as well! Yeah I was drinking a little that night, as my ridiculous use of pictures suggests. Anyways, I guess I just have a different view on what capitalism really is. For example, the USSR is more capitalist than socialist in my mind, because they still compete against other countries to maximize production, the means of production are still held by the few (elite government officials) rather than by the people, and the production of material goods is still more important than living things. Socialism to me is saying, "Hey! Lets share some stuff and produce things people actually need to survive, instead of working to produce a bunch of meaningless shit that only the powerful can own while thousands in every community go without having their needs met." I agree with you that it's not only capitalism.. and I also agree with you that apathy towards coercive force is a big one too. But I think the root of the current problems in this world rests on the globalized industrial economy that is dependent upon technology and transportation infrastructure that needs to be constantly served by an ever decreasing amount of available resources. Communities that live above (oil) or around (timber) resources don't typically let rich countries have these resources until their community has been destroyed. We call this War (if there is a nation opposed to it) and we call it genocide or expropriation (if the Government represents transnational corporate interests instead of its own people). (note: if you feel like it, read into what's been going on in the Nigerian Delta's http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/02/nigerian-oil/oneill-text) Before industrialized society, I would say that the root of all the worlds problems were caused by... well.. civilization and intensive agriculture, which is also dependent upon the importation of resources. Cities could not grow and would collapse very quickly without the siphoning of wealth and resources from areas around them. Economies that require expansion and growth will never be sustainable on a finite planet. I hate to get extremely tellurian-esque but humanity won't be here for many more generations unless something changes on a fundamental scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Holy hell my bad! I didn't reply in the other thread because I was away from electricity for a very long time and when I came back my thoughts in the discussion no longer seemed relevant.. I almost forgot about this one as well! Yeah I was drinking a little that night, as my ridiculous use of pictures suggests. Anyways, I guess I just have a different view on what capitalism really is. For example, the USSR is more capitalist than socialist in my mind, because they still compete against other countries to maximize production, the means of production are still held by the few (elite government officials) rather than by the people, and the production of material goods is still more important than living things. Socialism to me is saying, "Hey! Lets share some stuff and produce things people actually need to survive, instead of working to produce a bunch of meaningless shit that only the powerful can own while thousands in every community go without having their needs met." I agree with you that it's not only capitalism.. and I also agree with you that apathy towards coercive force is a big one too. But I think the root of the current problems in this world rests on the globalized industrial economy that is dependent upon technology and transportation infrastructure that needs to be constantly served by an ever decreasing amount of available resources. Communities that live above (oil) or around (timber) resources don't typically let rich countries have these resources until their community has been destroyed. We call this War (if there is a nation opposed to it) and we call it genocide or expropriation (if the Government represents transnational corporate interests instead of its own people). (note: if you feel like it, read into what's been going on in the Nigerian Delta's http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/02/nigerian-oil/oneill-text) Before industrialized society, I would say that the root of all the worlds problems were caused by... well.. civilization and intensive agriculture, which is also dependent upon the importation of resources. Cities could not grow and would collapse very quickly without the siphoning of wealth and resources from areas around them. Economies that require expansion and growth will never be sustainable on a finite planet. I hate to get extremely tellurian-esque but humanity won't be here for many more generations unless something changes on a fundamental scale. Nice article, thanks for the heads up. Most of this is equally relevant to the free market thread so I will write more substantial reply there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 On a side note the USSR no longer exists so you probably shouldn't refer to it in the present tense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 On a side note the USSR no longer exists so you probably shouldn't refer to it in the present tense. LOL. Good call.. But seeing that the typo was the only thing you commented on I'm guessing you agree with everything else? Or just don't give a shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 This seems as good a place as any to post this cool interview. It briefly canvases some of the same issues that have come up between Mams and I as well as Theo and AOD. 183. We Do Not Need a State Lew Rockwell interviews Roderick T. Long. Professor Long stresses that the state is just a bunch of people, not supermen. Its power is an illusion, coercing us only because we consent to be ruled. But education about the State, and alternative networks, empower an ever-greater number to withdraw their consent from the power-hungry, tax-eating, violent apparatus whose abuses result in many evils, including piles of dead bodies. Anarchy, the absence of a ruler, is impossible, say its opponents. In fact, it is becoming ever more possible, and ever more necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Conservatives/Libertarians want America to look like Somalia. Somalia has: Small central government with little control Low to non-existent taxes More power in local regions/states, by local warlords No separation between religion & state Everyone armed and owns guns The few wealthy elite controlling & running everything Yo Theo Check this article; Better Off Stateless:Somalia Before and After Government Collapse* Peter T. Leeson Department of Economics West Virginia University Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 All i know is 2 of those words got mistaken for Capri Sun in my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Is the Tea Party still around or did it go the way of Occupy Wallstreet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Interesting reference. I know I’m always erroring on the side of distrust, but do believe that both are great examples of movements that were sabotaged as both represented credible threats to the establishment. Think there was even a documentary on Netflix that showed how occupy was co-opted and the derailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 "banking industry" planted fake homeless in their groups who were there to intentionally start fights. Then the police had a green light to arrest. @misteraven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, KILZ FILLZ said: "banking industry" planted fake homeless in their groups who were there to intentionally start fights. Then the police had a green light to arrest. @misteraven Sounds about right. Think the documentary mentioned that they had some known trouble maker come in and take over a leadership role. Can’t recall the specifics but someone that’s known to very publicly pop radical shit but somehow always ends up in the right place at the right time. Maybe one of you guys can dig up a link to the documentary or something. Already stopped paying close attention to all the political games by that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Trump's republican party IS the new tea party. Unfortunately the anti-tax/government spending people fed up with fiscal irresponsibility were eventually brigaded by the anti Obama people, many of whom's true intentions were repressed due to PC culture. This culminated in Trump's massive appeal, and sorely needed re-energizing of the Republican Party's voting base. You can't just cater to openly corrupt large business, you need to give your base of regular folks something to get excited about. Very strange a city slicker NY Democrat was able to sweep through the republicans so fast, but the political climate of 2016 was almost a perfect storm that Trump was able to capitalize on via dog whistling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, KILZ FILLZ said: "banking industry" planted fake homeless in their groups who were there to intentionally start fights. Then the police had a green light to arrest. @misteraven How to destroy a protest or movement 101. Anyone remember when that undercover cop got beat up by police in St. Louis during a protest for the murder of an unarmed black man by a policeman who was acquitted? They actually got charged for the abuse, hilarious. Edited October 19, 2019 by abrasivesaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said: How to destroy a protest or movement 101. Anyone remember when that undercover cop got beat up by police in St. Louis during a protest for the murder of an unarmed black man by a policeman who was acquitted? They actually got charged for the abuse, hilarious. https://www.npr.org/2018/11/29/672055192/st-louis-police-officers-indicted-for-beating-an-undercover-colleague 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Thanks, I actually meant to post the link and completely spaced. @Mercer Edited October 19, 2019 by abrasivesaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Googling "undercover cops shoot each other" brings up many many articles lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, KILZ FILLZ said: Googling "undercover cops shoot each other" brings up many many articles lol Might jump down that rabbit hole later haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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