Smart Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 So there's this other thread, pretty certain the abuse is clear cut there but, what about 'good natured' abuse? I've put scotch tape on cat's feet and put the sleigh bells around my dog's neck (she HATED that shit, ran from herself)... so where does it cross the line, obviously killing them is out of the question and errbody frowns on 'testing' but where does it actually become REAL abuse? So many people are arrested around here for these puppy mill situations or cat hoarding, easy to judge when the news tells you they're wrong but? Is there such thing as 'joking' with your dog? I say 'dog' because I don't think cats care and I don't think most other animals 'get' humor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famecrazy Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 It's a fine line between abuse and obedience with some dogs. I've got a staffy cross pitty and when he was young he had a quick and savage bite, and we had to punish him and pretty severely until he learnt to respect humans. Now he is incredibly obedient and good natured, if we hadn't punished him when he was growing up i suggest he would of attacked a human and been put down by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolute.despair Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 just think how you would not want to be treated.... example, people doing stupid shit to you and laughing about it, not fun right? well put that into perspective when it comes to our cuddly little friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindle Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 ^ that. dogs need to be given boundaries to follow and then they learn what is and isnt acceptable by their owner edit: to 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Orenthal Norton Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 my dog back home is tough as fuck i used to wrestle this dog and she kept biting me. and would put her in headlocks the whole bit. but i would just typically slap her in the upside the head and she'd act like its a game. but i love the dog till death. but i pretty much broke it down in the other thread twinky made. its just a low act of a coward. i think we are the nastiest and most wicked creatures on this earth. and dont belive attacking or killing an animal if it hasnt threatend you or you need to eat it to survive. you hit the dog im gonna beat you with a 2x4 thats how i feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R@ndomH3ro Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 i abuse my cats with to many hugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCheadle Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 my dog has gotten pretty big, but he's still scared of the spray bottle. It's all mental, but spraying him sends him scurrying to the other end of the apartment, and if I so much as pull the trigger without spraying the water, he still does that classic "wet dog shake-off" like he got hit. Mental torture? It keeps him away from the coffee table when I'm eating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 it seems that corporal punishment, at least with dogs, is still cool to an extent, don't leave marks and don't starve seem like 2 cardinal rules but I'm asking about the grey area, the stuff that 'MAY' be mean or maybe is just LuLz... I don't think I buy A.D's line because everybody (human) is the butt of the joke sometime and I think that's healthy. It promotes humility and revenge fantasies. Thing is, just where does it cross the line? Should we all be A.D and coddle the animals that are crapping in our houses or should we flip the scrip and say that it's all good until BB guns are involved? edit: ^Yeah, like what Don said, 'corrective behavior modification' or abuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Orenthal Norton Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 i think the BB gun is a bit excessive. but scholding and grabbing them by the mussel typically works. most descipline is mental and not physical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I think rattling an animal's cage is perfectly fine and completely justifiable. I'd go so far as to say that's what god put us on earth to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolute.despair Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 smart you are 100% correct with that, its hard to type exactly what i mean. so tryin to explain as best as possible.... think about if it were you, was the line crossed? as a child i was beat the fuck up for shit like brushing my teeth wrong. I should have never been beat for that later when i was stealing cars nothing happened. when i was beat up i rebelled and so do dogs, i dont have any links right now how dogs will react the same but they are out there. dogs will never understand the pain you inflict you just gotta prove you are the dominant male in another way and they will step the fuck down. ***/drunk and can barely see the monitor oner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 OK, and maybe I steered this too much towards dogs. For the last week, I've been farming chickens. I'm house sitting. Anyway, there's NO corporal punishment there, chickens are DUMB. They can't formulate the causal reprisals of eating the garden vs. eating random weeds. They don't get verbals so all you can really do is wave your arms... but I still have 2 houses of my own to tend so somedays they are in the coop for almost the entire day... usually they're mostly free range-ish, if you count the back yard as a 'range'... so is that abuse? Why? or why not? When my nephews are home they seem to torment the birds unceasingly, nothing vicious but they chase them and catch them and poke and prod... abuse? Is the line simply a measure of physical artifacts or is there some deeper psychological issue that humans as a whole need to sort out? (not so much with the chickens though, like I said, they are DUMB ) stupid emoticons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolute.despair Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 other animals may seem stupid as fuck but they still eat, sleep and breed like we do. i think you got me on some shit im way to drunk to try and figure out right now, maybe when im sober things will work a little better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Orenthal Norton Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 like i said before we're the nastiest and most evil animal on this planet. fuck we even kill the planet too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood fart Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I verbally abuse R@ndom's cat all day and night. He deserves it because he is a total asshole and bites me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolute.despair Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 like i said before we're the nastiest and most evil animal on this planet. fuck we even kill the planet too. eon my compuuter says.... You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Orenthal Norton Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I verbally abuse R@ndom's cat all day and night. He deserves it because he is a total asshole and bites me. :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I think animals just like people want companionship. So if you're gonna put it through a little greif you gotta be able to back it up with a lifetime of loyalty. If you can't do that then you're just abusing an already abused animal. As for livestock, i think you're entitled to kill and eat the animals you've looked over from birth. In a smaller rural setting, families will raise rabbits and chickens like housepets even when they're ultimate use is livestock. At some point I think it's an owner's responsibility to put a sick dog down, and to kill an animal when it's time for harvest. It's the same ethic, and an honest and noble one at that. It's why I dont think vegetarians have a leg to stand on when it comes to being against animal cruelty in a rural setting because farm animals not only see a natural life and die a natural way but they lived happily were part of a caring household and protected from predators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCheadle Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 have you guys ever seen those dog owners who deal with their dogs as though they're human? Like from the discipline on down to every other interaction. Mildly relative to the thread, I'm gonna tell this story anyway: yesterday there was a guy who's dog got fixated on a plastic soda bottle and was sitting in the corner chewing on it. His owner kept going up to him saying REX. WE'RE AT THE DOG RUN. GO PLAY. WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THE CORNER YOURSELF. the dog was fucking ignoring his ass of course so after three attempts he runs up to the dog in anger and snatches the bottle out of the his mouth and screams ENOUGH! ENOUGH WITH THE BOTTLE! THAT'S IT! WATCH WHAT I'M GONNA DO REX. LOOK. NO MORE BOTTLE! and he dramatically walked over the garbage can and threw it away. The dog of course looked like he could really give a flying fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoteller Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 i wrestle with my cats and regularly abuse the shit out of my bunny with hugs. they like it, and they're still the sweetest animals i've ever owned in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolute.despair Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 did i mention how cool the long haired face bunny i hung out with today was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCheadle Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 When people see those emaciated hobo dogs on the street, they're always like "aww that poor dog's been abused all his life" but in my experience, dogs that belong to homeless people are notoriously the most well behaved and even tempered dogs. Notice how they are barely ever on leashes. I think it was in another thread that someone was talking about those dogs that got fed cough syrup by homeless people to keep them in a subdued state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demolishun Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I've always wanted to get a Chimp or little SpiderMonkey addicted to heroin...just seeing them shooting up would be worth all the time it might take to teach them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolute.despair Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 in the portland they even got cats, i think its the constant interaction they have with humans naturally makes them obediant, besides those animals are all they got.... talk to any squatter and they will tell you their pet eats better than them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoteller Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 did i mention how cool the long haired face bunny i hung out with today was do you know what breed? i've got a dwarf angora Either way, here's the cats that i regularly wrestle/abuse in the most loving way possible. Toki - the most tolerant cat you've ever encountered Rick James (bitch) - the best / most metal rabbit ever. he will bite anyone except me. i will laugh. Gazuga: lord of the apes - snuggliest cat ever. never has bit me or scratched me ever. spoons with me every night when i already fall asleep. I can't find any pictures immediately of the small black cat, dr pepper, but she's a cunt. and i love her. think of the mangiest alley cat you can possibly think of, and then you have her. saved her at 3 weeks old, her eyes were totally shut with a ton of goo and shit, spent damn near 700 dollars at the vet to save her, and now she's got a permanant home with me while i pick up her and body slam her all the time. then she runs right back on my head after i do that. fucking animals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolute.despair Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 do you know what breed? i've got a dwarf angora never got the name of the breed but it reminded me of my old himalayan cat larry, i was really considering adopting it tho. thats awesome it sounds like you really love your animals, nice to actually see some compassion on the 12. i think im 24'd right now, ill get you soon if so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoteller Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 my animals keep me sane. i used to paint all the time, but that got me into a shit ton of trouble, so i needed to find something else to keep me sane, then i got my old bunny gaz and that got me into animals a lot. before it was like 'yep....cat....dog...nice, done that', but didn't see how awesome it was taking care of them like it's your own. a huge difference from having animals as a small kid. when gaz died, i flipped my shit, didn't even touch or look at an animal for a few months, then started taking in animals that potentially would have bad homes. rick james was in a tiny-ass cage in a pet shop, now he can hop around anywhere he wants when i'm home. toki was getting little-to-no attention as a kitten, so we took him in, and now he's the spoiled little prick he is today. gazuga was living with a few severe alcoholics as a kitten, so i managed to talk them into letting me have him because i was scared he was going to get the shit beat out of him by the drunks. and dr pepper..you already heard the story about. that fucking cat cost way too much money, but at least she's the most affectionate. i've never in my life heard a cat purr as loud as she does (or seen a cat put claws into your skull because she's happy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystemFailure Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 This + this = Hours of entertainment. But is laser pointing cats into walls considered abuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoteller Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 only if they're too dumb to jump up the wall. mine just jump as high up the wall as they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystemFailure Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh, well, my two cats actually head butt the wall. Fuckin cat torpedo. I love them to deff so I don't think it is a sadisitc enjoyment. Just funny very funny. Oh and Crack if those are their actual names that is fuckin rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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