crimetime Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Anyone on here pay child support? I got a package in the mail yesterday from a law office, my ex who i still live with, went and started the process for me to pay child support. The fucked up thing is I pay half of everything right now (rent, food, clothes, toys, whatever). Just wondering if i really am having to shell out money when in reality i am paying child support, just not officially i guess. I guess i need a lawyer. Any advice is appreciated from those who have been through something like this. Oh yea and i have both my girls on my heath insurance for work, is that shit factored in to what I'm supposed to pay a month? I feel like dumping all the loot i got on some Herbert Holdapenny ass lawyer and dragging this bitch through the mud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats good!? Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 It all depends on your state,go to court and ask a clerk its free,only get a layer if you have no other choice after doing research and talking to your ex,she might be slow,slick or trying to play you. Ohhh yeah FIRST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGELDUST Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 reciepts, reciepts, reciepts. that bitch aint got nothing if you got the proof of what you spent loot on for the children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Any money given in excess of the support order does not count. You can owe back support but you can never be credited for over payment. Get a order as soon as possible. Paying court ordered child support is often less per month than what a dude will pay via verbal arrangement. Any checks you give her prior to the order being written write "for child support month of xxxx" in the for box so she can not say the money was for some other reason. Good job having your kids insured on your account, you will receive a credit for that. Contact your local bar association and find out about free clinics if you can not afford a lawyer. Do not fall into the mental trap of thinking that the more money you give her the more you are helping your kids. Save that money and do good for your kids with it. Do you have a parenting plan/ custody schedule? I can not stress how important it is to protect your rights to have time with your kids. Even if you do not want to now that may change. Do not think that if things are going on okay now that they will stay that way. Situations change and you need to anticipate that. It is hard being a dad in the court system and you will need to fight to have the most basic rights. Angeldust is wrong payment outside of court ordered don't mean shit legally just a nice thing for you to do. Stay Strong and keep your head up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Oh and what state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Try to google your state or county name and the words "child support calculator" if you can find a online one put out by the court that is a good place to start as far as a ballpark number of what you will be expected to pay. Here is one for WA, fill in the blanks and it comes up with a number. http://www.courts.wa.gov/ssgen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats good!? Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 There you go,now you got somebody to represent you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Check http://www.avvo.com/ for some basic answers. Check local laws and get as organized as possible if you are not already. I repeat to not get caught up in some "it's good for my kids if I give their mom money" trip. You can do as much good for your kids with your money as she can. If you want to be good to your kids control the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Depending on the complexity of your case and the amount of conflict involved you may not need to hire a lawyer. Keep in mind they are not cheep and the amount you save on child support might be offset by the cost. Sometimes they are worth it and sometimes not. I just re-read your post and noticed that she is lawyered up, this makes a difference as now you are out gunned. I would not hire a attorney that does not offer a free consultation before hand and would meet with more than one before choosing. Find someone who you feel comfortable with. Family law is not a very technical type of law like some others. This is obvious but do not hire a lawyer who does not specialize in family law. As you might be able to tell I have been through this, feel free to pm me or whatever if you like. Now I am going to blow some money buying my kid some fireworks because I think that blowing some shit up is part of a happy childhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_R_O_N Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 if you had kicked her in stomach from the start..you wouldnt be dealing with any of this.... On a more serious note, hard proof of your spending is always a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Sounds like dude cares about his kids a bit so I don't know if that was ever a real option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimetime Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 Morton, a thousands thanks already, this shit has my head real heavy. The ex has a lawyer, the papers she sent i mostly agree with, here was my biggest gripe. She states that i need to pay 28% of my income, and have to keep the girls on my insurance. The way i was reading local law was that i would get that percentage dropped a bit since i am paying for their health care, the state is IL and I'm going to spend some time checking those links you provided. She's not trying to fuck me on seeing the kids which is a good thing, shit i have my masters in developmental psych, she knows I'm a good dad and seems to have acknowledged that by presenting joint custody to me. It's more a matter of the finacials at this stage. Again thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Hard proof of spending does not really mean much. Voluntary Overpayment is just that, it does not count in the eyes of the state. Something that repeats like insurance is different. I would not throw em away or anything but a box of receipts can only serve to show the court you are a good guy not have any real effect on things. Same with checks if they do not say for child support on them the other party can say they were for something else and they will not be given any weight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the radiologist Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 do your baby ma's got life insurance on her? option b introduced. your welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I do not know the law there. Most states take the incomes of the parents and come up with a base amount of support for the child, then they take the percentage difference of income and come up with how much each parent pays. That 28% number sounds like a alimony amount rather that child support to me but states can be very different from one to another. Resolve the issue of the custody schedule as soon as possible. In my eyes having the ability to raise your kids in a real way is more important than money, however if your are broke from overpaying your ex then it can be hard to be the best dad you can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimetime Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 The schedule that is laid out in the paperwork is cool with me, I got that 28% number off the states child support web site so it seems correct. A big problem i have is the fact that we are both living under the same roof and splitting everything until December when the lease is up but this bitch is trying to get this money now. It doesn't seem right to have to pay for support when I'm really supporting the kids financially right now. I'm going to try and find a lawyer to pin this shit down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Well being cool with the schedule is a major victory for you. Living with her sounds like dicey waters to me but that is your choice. If it were me I would work on building boundaries that serve the interest of all parties and breaking a lease would not stop me from moving forward with my life. Lots of things about child support are not really right or correct in my opinion. In some ways it sounds like your case is not that bad all things considered. You may want to find a attorney who will provide un-bundled services is cost is a concern. What un-bundled means is that they only do some of the work while you do others. There are good arguments for both bundled and un-bundled and cost is the major one for un-bundled. By the way the reputation lawyers have as being money sucking scum bags is well earned, fuck those guys. Definition of a necessary evil right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 The internet is a difficult resource in this area as it is hard to get past all the adverts for lawyers some of which front like a non profit type of site. There are however some good resources when you find them. Look at the documents that have been submitted and search for them and you should find a resource somewhere that tells you how to fill them out and where to get copies on the web. One thing that you will have to think about is day care expense and weather to have that lumped in the support amount or paid separately directly to the provider. Both have benefits and you need to think about this kind of thing. Also tax credit and who claims it. Run the numbers and think about it. Child support is a repeating expense that will be with you for a long time. I would not worry so much about the now till December part but focus on the now until your kids graduate from college part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulkillers Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 i dont know if any has said this but child supoort is also based on time with the childern. fight to get joint legal and joint physical custody where u both have them equal time. hense lilttle to no child support. i have 2 kids that i take care of full time and one that i pay on from my younger years 12 yr of child support and baby mama drama. also make sure u are good in other ways of your life. shit like that can hurt or help u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimetime Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 I travel for work so that kinda screws with having joint physical, anyone know if i sign these bs papers she sent me does that lock me into this shit for good or can things be modified as circumstances change, like i stop traveling for work and want joint custody or pay grade changes or whatever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feed Yer Ego Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 better body that bitch or just kidnap the baby and dip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 It is very difficult to change things after they have been ordered and affirmed by a court. If parties are on good terms they can sometimes write shit into the the schedule conditionally. I would say in general that if you agree to it and it is then ordered by the court that any change will be difficult. Be careful to what you agree to. In WA first you get a temporary order that lasts for a year and then a permanent order. It is nice to have the year with a plan so you can sit with it and see what works for you and what doesn't before you get locked in. Contact an attorney before you sign anything. It is not like you have to retain them to get your questions answered if they view you as a prospective client. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicineCabinet Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 no disrespect to your situation, but im loving this title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GO_ALL_IN Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 screw child support, keep the kid and kick the girl out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 ^ Not the worst idea in the world if pulled off correctly. Can be tricky though and I get the idea that is not going to be possible in this case. In fact if she is already represented by counsel I highly doubt that it would be possible to get legal custody using that technique and it does not sound like that is what crimetime is looking for anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Hate to keep blowing up this post, but there is no way a judge is going to force support if you two still live together. So be careful what you sign, and always read that shit twice even if you have a attorney there. I know a dude who got fucked over because he signed when his lawyer told him it looked good, turned out his lawyer just listened to what the other attorney said and did not read the document closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimetime Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 I was just talking with a guy i work with, he tells me we have a company lawyer that i can use for shit like this, bonus. So I'm sending the company lawyer the paperwork to have him break this shit down for me. The wildest shit is that she brought some betty crocker homemade ass child support paperwork for me to sign like 3 months back and i threw that shit in the trash and told her to get fucked. I guess she saved up enough to go at me legit. Anyways the company lawyer should help out a lot. Morton you're a beast, thanks for all the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silba Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 How the fuck are you gonna pay child support when the kids & female live with you, da fuck? That dosent make sense to me at all, Is it your living place, or both yall names are on the paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armand hammer Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 kick the bitch out...dont pay child support and run. oh and watch out for this dude and this fag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsmbfan Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Oh yea and i have both my girls on my heath insurance for work, is that shit factored in to what I'm supposed to pay a month? yes, it is. whatever you pay towards the well being of the child is factored in. talk to a lawyer before she does. by girls you mean two daughters? or that bitch who broke your heart and took your $$? cuz if it's just your daughters, i hope your not paying more than $150 for even the best coverage. i sell insurance to dudes with this exact problem. they have to have state minimum major medical health insurance on the kid. matter of fact, both parents have to provide coverage in most divorces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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