El Mamerro Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 4 MORE YEARS!!! تو ديوانه وار Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 And apparently they don't like it. Already riots in the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Rafsanjani has not quit his post, Majlis speaker Larijani has publicly congratulated A-Nejad on his win and Mousawi has not been seen since Friday. The protests are meaningless, A-nejad won the election no matter how much fraud (the figure of 10 million votes being rigged is being thrown around) and that's how it will stay. The supreme leader told Rafsanjani to stop complaining about A-Nejad a short few months ago because "you will be working with him for another 4 years). So in essence there really was no election. PRepare for the progressives in positions of power to be arrested on corruption, adultery or something serious and A-Nejads people to move in to positions of power, positions that were previously staffed by anti-A-Nejad people. Also expect long term ripple effects of the modern and social elite to lose even more faith and support for the clerical system of power in Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 christo: are chances of a first strike by israel/us increased now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Follow-Up On Earlier Posts Yes, the president of Iran's own election monitoring commission has declared the result invalid and called for a do-over. That is huge news: when a regime's own electoral monitors beak ranks, what chance does the regime have of persuading anyone in the world or Iran that it has democratic legitimacy? Second: Stratfor is reporting that Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, head of the Expediency Council, has resigned. Though unconfirmed, the report is saying that Rafsanjani is resigning from his position as head of the Expediencey Council, NOT his position as the leader of the Assembly of Experts, which has oversight responsibility over the office of the Supreme Leader and would be responsible for naming Ayatollah Khamenei’s successor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 "the people have spoken, and they want 4 more years of douchebag!" "now everyone i'd like to thank my opponent senator date rape, he ran a good campaign." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 pay no attention to the rioters behind the curtain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Follow-Up On Earlier Posts Yes, the president of Iran's own election monitoring commission has declared the result invalid and called for a do-over. That is huge news: when a regime's own electoral monitors beak ranks, what chance does the regime have of persuading anyone in the world or Iran that it has democratic legitimacy? Second: Stratfor is reporting that Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, head of the Expediency Council, has resigned. Though unconfirmed, the report is saying that Rafsanjani is resigning from his position as head of the Expediencey Council, NOT his position as the leader of the Assembly of Experts, which has oversight responsibility over the office of the Supreme Leader and would be responsible for naming Ayatollah Khamenei’s successor. Where did you get that from? As far as I'm aware the head of the GC hasn't annulled the result at all. Mousavi spoke with the SL, he and Karroubi have lodged complaints with the GC and Rezaie has also claimed voting irregularities (however he has also congratulated A-nejad on his win). This has then resulted in Kamenei to ask the GC to investigate. This also happened with Khatami in 2004 where so man reformists were excluded from running. Khatami complained, the SL stepped in, a few more were allowed to run again but the situation remained much the same. As it also will this time. The result won't change and it will further legitimise A-Snake's win. Rafsanjani did not quit his position in the EC. Raf is a big anti-A-Nejad player and is worried that A-Nejad will now come after him. So he is right now busying himself behind the scenes shoring up his position before A-Snake can get to him. A-Nejad postponed his trip to the SCO meeting in Russia today, though. That is an indication on how seriously he is taking the challenge to his election victory. Does this increase the chance of a strike on Iran by Israel or/and US? Yes, but not in any significant way, it just means nothing improved so the chance is still there where the field would have re-adjusted had Mousavi got in. All the constraints on the US (who really are the final arbiter of a strike on Iran) still remain after the election as they did before. Pakistan is a much more immediate concern for the US, then Afghanistan, then Iraq, then maybe Iran as long as the Russians aren't making life too difficult. The game for Mousavi is not over yet, but even if I was a millionaire I still wouldn't put a cent on him to come out on top. PS, STRATFOR never said Raf had definitely quit his post. The only ting that was said was that there were unconfirmed reports that he had and that the matter will have close attention paid to it to confirm the reports. IT was confirmed not long after that initial sitrep that he had not quit either post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 i forget what paper i saw that in. so this is pretty interesting, but not so much different than previous situations from iran? i kinda get that. i'm sure it's keeping you guys on your toes. don't forget to drink a pint or 8 to make it temporarily disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Current: up to 100 000 defying protest ban, sniper has just opened fire on crowd, 1 confirmed dead by foreign journalist. That will add motivation to the movement, that was a slip up by the establishment. If you don't crush them they will keep coming, if you agitate them, they will gain supporters. Will be interesting to see if A-Dog still goes to Russia tomorrow, Moscow really wants him there and the whole SCO and observers are there as well. If he doesn't go it won't look good for him as the new leader. He needs to show strength by not being concerned by the reaction otherwise he won't look legitimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 so the sniper fire, the fires, etc. are going to add to the supporters...nice. i'm all for revolution if it has a good cause behind it. a shame that all these people are being locked up. i hear iran is trying to shut down twitter and facebook there. getting too much coverage. http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/06/iran-on-fire.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Shooting now spreading to other suburbs in Tehran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 will iran start pulling in military forces soon? coming bloodbath? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html Liveblog of protest fallout. Backs up pretty much everything said in here. with a little graphics to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAccount12345 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 EXCUSE ME THERE WILL BE NO FUCKING "STRIKES" OR WARS ON IRAN. here is where i heard about it. good pictures http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 and as the wind changed direction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCheadle Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 have you guys seen that 7-point alleged manifesto of the revolution? A copy was sent from Tehran to filmmaker and activist Ardeshir Arian, who has translated it for Pajamas Media: The Seven-Point Manifesto calls for: 1. Stripping Ayatollah Khamenei of his supreme leadership position because of his unfairness. Fairness is a requirement of a supreme leader. 2. Stripping Ahmadinejad of the presidency, due to his unlawful act of maintaining the position illegally. 3. Transferring temporary supreme leadership position to Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazery until the formation of a committee to reevaluate and adjust Iran’s constitution. 4. Recognizing Mir Hossein Mousavi as the rightfully elected president of the people. 5. Formation of a new government by President Mousavi and preparation for the implementation of new constitutional amendments. 6. Unconditional release of all political prisoners regardless of ideology or party platform. 7. Dissolution of all organizations — both secret and public — designed for the oppression of the Iranian people, such as the Gasht Ershad (Iranian morality police). kinda doubt #6 will ever happen. The cover of the NY Post today said "Turban Warfare." The Post continues to be my favorite newspaper to read while taking a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 this is what revolution looks like http://www.youtube.com/casek for those who can't watch, download http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=75d3f225e5123bb575a4fc82078ae6c8324d5b1e231f6013b8eada0a1ae8665a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2ekillr Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 after orange and rose now a green "revolution". what comes next? a pink "revolution"? also, nice slogans. of course in English. just in case the mullahs don't understand Farsi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 after orange and rose now a green "revolution". what comes next? a pink "revolution"? also, nice slogans. of course in English. just in case the mullahs don't understand Farsi. you do realize that the iranian people really like western culture? they like our music, our movies, our fashions, our tv, etc. english is spoken worldwide. do you think they would've been better to make their signs in spanish? perhaps lebanese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Mohammad Asgari, who was responsible for the security of the IT network in Iran's interior ministry, was killed yesterday in Tehran. Asgari had reportedly leaked results that showed the elections were rigged by government use of new software to alter the votes from the provinces. Asgari was said to have leaked information that showed Mousavi had won almost 19 million votes, and should therefore be president. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/jun/17/iran-uprising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2ekillr Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 you do realize that the iranian people really like western culture? they like our music, our movies, our fashions, our tv, etc. no, i dont. english is spoken worldwide. yeah, but not everybody speaks it. people in rural regions usually dont care about English. do you think they would've been better to make their signs in spanish? perhaps lebanese? Farsi, perhaps? where is their target audience living? in Iran or Alaska? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Feast Island Man Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 do you think they would've been better to make their signs in spanish? perhaps lebanese? surely farsi/parsi would be a better choice? lebanese isn't a language btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 surely farsi/parsi would be a better choice? lebanese isn't a language btw oh really? care to see what google has to say about that? http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=lebanese+language&aq=0&oq=lebanese+langua&aqi=g10&fp=itFkAGfC3t0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 no, i dont. yeah, but not everybody speaks it. people in rural regions usually dont care about English. Farsi, perhaps? where is their target audience living? in Iran or Alaska? perhaps their target audience is worldwide? maybe the want global attention and not just regional attention? lots of iranians speak english, they watch oprah and mtv for christ's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Feast Island Man Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 oh really? care to see what google has to say about that? http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=lebanese+language&aq=0&oq=lebanese+langua&aqi=g10&fp=itFkAGfC3t0 from wikipedia: The Lebanese Language is a proposed appellation for the spoken language of the people of Lebanon. The term has political connotations and is meant to distance the spoken language of Lebanon from the Arabic language. In linguistic and other academic circles, among most Arabic speakers, and among most Lebanese, the spoken language of Lebanon is called Lebanese Arabic and is considered an Arabic dialect belonging to the Levantine Arabic family of dialects. Attempts to dissociate the language from Arabic are generally associated with movements attesting a Lebanese identity apart from an Arab identity. it's a dialect of arabic. calling it lebanese is politicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2ekillr Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 perhaps their target audience is worldwide? maybe the want global attention global attention does not exactly further their cause. unless a third party comes into play... to help them further their cause. oh wait. lots of iranians speak english, they watch oprah and mtv for christ's sake. lots of iranians dont speak English and dont care about what Oprah Winfrey is babbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 The Lebanese language currently spoken was developed from its parent Semitic language Aramaic. Aramaic was spoken in the whole region until about 900 AD. Later, the people in Lebanon were speaking several dialects of Aramaic especially in the mountains and North Lebanon while some Arabic dialects were introduced in some costal cities. Eventually, the people of Lebanon blended their Aramaic with Arabic. From the 17 th to 20 th centuries, some of the Turkish language was incorporated. The Lebanese language kept developing until these days where some French and English were introduced in the past century. Some scholars go further back to the Canaanite (Phoenician) language that the inhabitants of the region spoke before Aramaic, which has common words with Aramaic, Arabic and Hebrew. doesn't sound like politicking to me. sounds like a blend of languages with a name. lebanese. "Western music, films and clothing are widely available in Iran, and hip-hop tunes can be heard on Tehran's streets, blaring from car speakers and music shops. Bootleg videos and DVDs of films banned by the state are widely available on the black market." "Songs such as Clapton's Rush, Michael's Careless Whisper and The Eagles' Hotel California are often used as background music on Iranian TV programmes. Songs by American easy-listening artist Kenny G are also often featured. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4543720.stm "Western music has actually been banned since the Islamic revolution of 1979. Funnily enough, two acts were allowed to be published - Elton John and Queen. They got permission - somebody convinced the government that they are not really bad, and they would not influence the young generation. I'm sure the government doesn't know the true sexual orientation of the singers. But what president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at the end of last year was that we have to be careful because Iranian music inside Iran, produced and recorded by young Iranians, is becoming more and more Western. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4973690.stm oprah is actually the most popular show for teen girls in iran. as for global attention not furthering their cause, you ahve no idea what you speak of... as for iranians not caring about english, you're wrong. iran is pretty fucking western. if they didn't understand our language, they wouldn't like our music, movies, or television shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2ekillr Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 oprah is actually the most popular show for teen girls in iran. that says absolutely nothing about the actual political climate inside iran. as for global attention not furthering their cause, you ahve no idea what you speak of... i wasn't precise. i meant public global attention (still not sure if this is the right term). and since you are a part of the public , how exactly can you influence what is going on in iran right now? in essence, you can only consume what the media is delivering, build an opinion based on fragments of information and then discuss it with friends or in the webz and that was that. btw a preelection poll conducted by BBC and ABC predicted a 2 : 1 ratio in favour for Ahmadinejad... my theory is that Ahmadinejad cheated a bit but would've won without cheating too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 that says absolutely nothing about the actual political climate inside iran. i wasn't precise. i meant public global attention (still not sure if this is the right term). and since you are a part of the public , how exactly can you influence what is going on in iran right now? in essence, you can only consume what the media is delivering, build an opinion based on fragments of information and then discuss it with friends or in the webz and that was that. btw a preelection poll conducted by BBC and ABC predicted a 2 : 1 ratio in favour for Ahmadinejad... my theory is that Ahmadinejad cheated a bit but would've won without cheating too. iran liking western culture certainly explains what you were questions (why english on their signs). they are trying to get the worlds attention. what can we do about it? that is the attitude that has lost wars and sovereignty. almost forgot: about the voting Mohammad Asgari, who was responsible for the security of the IT network in Iran's interior ministry, was killed yesterday in Tehran. Asgari had reportedly leaked results that showed the elections were rigged by government use of new software to alter the votes from the provinces. Asgari was said to have leaked information that showed Mousavi had won almost 19 million votes, and should therefore be president. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/.../iran-uprising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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