YouMad.GIF Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 So you know that cancer kid who has hodgkins lymphoma (a form of lung cancer that has 90% success rate with chemo) who ran away because he was forced to get life saving treatment... His mother wanted to get him Mexican holistic herb treatment (because the Mexican holistic medical system has a such higher success rate over ours!)... Because she couldn't bear the pain the kid had from his first chemo So now because of the mmonths of stalling, the kids tumor is 10 times bigger So you hear about that cancer kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
count chocula Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Sheen Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nah, never heard... till now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastZeetec302 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 they are all jesus freaks too and i think they wanted jesus to heal him (ha). fucked up. just let the kid live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realism Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Is he anything like the KC kid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMad.GIF Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 no he's just the C Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
count chocula Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 zing!* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaP LeTTeRS yO! Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 JEEBUS MADE THAT TUMOR BIGGER FOR A REASON PRAISE GOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 didn't a judge order that the kid had to get chemo? does that strike anyone else as crazy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 It's a weird case. The cancer he has responds well to conventional treatment but chemo is arguably less fun than the disease in some ways... and sometimes it doesn't work (RIP mom). I've seen some pretty amazing results from alternative medicine but some things don't ring true about this story. *edit- It's fucked up all the way around. I don't think that wanting to explore their options should be anyone's else's business but the person who needs treatment, and they should be covered by medical insurance as long as they're proven therapies for the illness. Then again it's hard to say if parents should be able to make decisions like this, even when the child is on board. However, allowing the state to intervene in cases like this sets a bad precedent for other parents that want to look into natural medicine in less urgent/non-life threatening matters for their children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telo Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 This situation would have a better outcome if the mother was the one possessing the tumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 It's a weird case. The cancer he has responds well to conventional treatment but chemo is arguably less fun than the disease in some ways... and sometimes it doesn't work (RIP mom). I've seen some pretty amazing results from alternative medicine but some things don't ring true about this story. ya, my brother had cancer from when he was like 2-5 or 6, and he used to flip out when he knew he had to go get chemo. the shit worked for him though, hes about to turn 21 and everythings fine so far, he has to get checked every so often to make sure it hasnt popped back up. but i know others who it didn't work so well for, rip. i just find it nuts that the law got into this, i dont know the whole story about it, but it seems pretty fishy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowmagik Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 chemo does fuckin suck, ive watched my mom and sister go through it, and its definitely no fun. but, in some cases it's all you can do. as far as natural holistic medicine, unless its been found by scientists to pass a blind trial, i don't think insurance companies should pay a dime towards it. you have all these folks out there who wants to eat herbs and say prayers, and if something good happens, they automatically think it's because of the natural medicine. correlation does not equal causation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 yeah, i was under a rock for the past week and didn't hear about this. honestly, it is up to an adult person what treatment they do or do not want to get i hate doctors and hospitals and if i don't want to go i won't be forced. now, that being said, he is only a child and his mom is a lil loopy. thats why the law got involved. the kid shouldnt die of lymphoma because of his mom's desire for religious freedoms and he's too young prolly to see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 What about medical marijuana, Dow? (Sorry, had to do it.) I suppose I should explain myself. Certain treatments (diet therapy, osteopathy, acupuncture, massage, Chinese medicine) SHOULD be covered. They have been proven to be effective where conventional treatments sometimes fail, and where Western medicine doesn't make any promises. But anything that relies on crystals or shaman this or prayer that, well...do that shit on your own time and don't give money to some guy who claims to be better at it than anyone else, he's probably lying to you. The biggest question here is "what is this treatment they were trying to get the kid and why did they have to go to Mexico to do it?" My guess is that it hasn't been tested to death by the FDA. I'm up in the air about this one, but the "holistic" label without any explanation of the treatment itself sets off my bullshit detectors. The problem is that some people in alternative medicine are worse than quacks- they're flat out charlatans that only want your money. They prey on the hope of the near hopeless cases and that's awful. But some of this shit works...sometime no one knows exactly why. Then again you can ask ten different doctors exactly how and why aspirin relieves pain and you'll probably get ten different answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMad.GIF Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 this situation is pretty close to a situation I had in my family. My cousin died of aids, relatively soon after he found out he had it because he chose to forgo the western conventional medical treatment that extends your life for 20 years like magic Johnson Instead he decided to cure it with hypnosis That wasn't an effective cure. So basically I think he had the right as an adult to do some dumb shit like that... But I don't think making a similarly dumb and misguided choice for a kids care is responsible... And in this case I think her actions have clearly proven harmfull for her son, and that's boarderline child abuse They should just let the kid smoke weed after chemo. There's a harvard medical professor who gave his son weed (his son had the same lymphoma) and it offset most of the pain and nausea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Dumielle Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I say if he doesn't want treatment, let him die. Along with those who want to not wear seatbelts, or smoke meth. There's an overpopulation problem if you didn't know....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yukon jack Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 mexican herbs? everyone knows that you can cure cancer with fig sap and lemon juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydoses Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 this is such a stupid thing. i don't even have an opinion on it, i just think its so funny that something like this is even newsworthy. OMG A KID HAS CANCER. who the fuck cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 no...its the fact that he will probably die soon, and the mom took him on a hunt for some voodoo remedies...which upset people. thats why its on the news. people always want to be pissed off at someone...or judge someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydoses Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 yeah i know what its about. and its dumb either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 no i completely agree with you. there are more important world events going on...like darfur, and everyone is more concerned about what octomom did today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drue_Down Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydoses Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 no i completely agree with you. there are more important world events going on...like darfur, and everyone is more concerned about what octomom did today. :lol: true that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMad.GIF Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 wait so what did octomom do today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan5 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 hopefully she drowned her kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 OCTOMOM BIRTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 i just find it nuts that the law got into this, i dont know the whole story about it, but it seems pretty fishy. The law got into it because this kids Jesus freak parents were going to let him die just to be stubborn dickheads. The "holistic" bullshit they were trying has a 0% success rate, whereas the kid has a cancer that's easily curable with chemo. Or at least it was before they let it get 10 times bigger. If this kid dies it's all his moms fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMad.GIF Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 yeah pretty much like I said, if she wants to let jesus heal herself, thats her own deal... but to make clearly negligent decisions concerning her child... I do think there is some obligation for the authorities to step in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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