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Obama: The New George Bush

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It's true that global climate is changing but I have some doubts regarding some of the claims regarding "global warming" and carbon offsets, not to mention the way some of the facts and figures are presented.

 

And that's not me being a right wing weirdo, that's just me being skeptical.

 

Well, there's no problem with that. It's one thing to be skeptical, but it's another thing entirely to call global warming a complete bullshit concoction. The whole problem is in the way global warming is presented in the media, which perhaps you recognize.

 

My position is that expertise should not be under-appreciated. That means laypeople who read a bunch of news articles or watch documentaries should really take their own opinions with a grain of salt. Science is not politics, and the scientific community, while it can be influenced politically to a limited extent, is not a political body. If broad, international scientific consensus reaches a certain conclusion on specific issue, it's really not in the realm of anyone who is not an expert to dispute, no matter what type of facts and figures you can dig up. These can easily be self serving. Of course there are experts who dispute scientific consensus; this is good, many of them probably have valid points which can help further research. I had a Geochem professor who thought that the importance of CO2 is overstated and the causes of warming aren't entirely clear, but he still believed it is worthwhile and necessary to reduce emissions. I've had other professors who believed that warming is a real danger, but I think in general scientists take the holistic approach that it is really one of many problems related to our impact on the planet that demand serious attention. The point isn't really that we are going to melt the icecaps with CO2 and fuck up ocean levels and all that, it's that we need to be better stewards if we expect to continue to live on this planet.

 

To me it is deeply ignorant to imbue political agendas on the scientific community as a whole, as some people here seem to be trying to do. However, with regards to Gore, I really don't get the picture that he's a selfish politician using and misrepresenting global warming to curry favor and profit. I think he finds it a fascinating, meaningful cause to uphold which he is unfortunately kind of under-qualified to represent. It seems that he continues to pursue knowledge in the (very broad) field of climate science and how it relates to human activity, and he is trying to use his clout to achieve what he perceives as meaningful progress. I really don't see much reason to call him a liar.

 

I've already ranted about this here. Fuck it.

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Wait, when did I endorse the current administration? Judaism is a religion, not a race. I don't think I was ignorant of the Poles, Czechs and others that suffered under the work camp pogrom so I don't see how you explained anything to me... what's more, you failed to recognize, much less learn from, any of my points and you're still the same idiot with piss poor grammar and wrong headed ideas so... you just stick to being Right and the rest of us will be correct, it'll sort itself out.

 

Learn form your posts? What exactly did you teach? You failed to mention a great number of people or races that suffered from the Nazi socialist party. Ironically you dismiss the Jewish people as a race, yet say I'm racist because I disagree with a political view? Which one is it? you make no sense. Of course you endorse the Obama administration, everything you said thus far indicates this. My wrong headed ideas? What does that even mean? Obviously you disagree with my views on the climate, abortion, etc. Because those are the only things I've discussed in this forum. While you've managed to sabotage most conversations with talk of K cars, grammar, your bicycle, etc.

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Well, there's no problem with that. It's one thing to be skeptical, but it's another thing entirely to call global warming a complete bullshit concoction. The whole problem is in the way global warming is presented in the media, which perhaps you recognize.

 

My position is that expertise should not be under-appreciated. That means laypeople who read a bunch of news articles or watch documentaries should really take their own opinions with a grain of salt. Science is not politics, and the scientific community, while it can be influenced politically to a limited extent, is not a political body. If broad, international scientific consensus reaches a certain conclusion on specific issue, it's really not in the realm of anyone who is not an expert to dispute, no matter what type of facts and figures you can dig up. These can easily be self serving. Of course there are experts who dispute scientific consensus; this is good, many of them probably have valid points which can help further research. I had a Geochem professor who thought that the importance of CO2 is overstated and the causes of warming aren't entirely clear, but he still believed it is worthwhile and necessary to reduce emissions. I've had other professors who believed that warming is a real danger, but I think in general scientists take the holistic approach that it is really one of many problems related to our impact on the planet that demand serious attention. The point isn't really that we are going to melt the icecaps with CO2 and fuck up ocean levels and all that, it's that we need to be better stewards if we expect to continue to live on this planet.

 

To me it is deeply ignorant to imbue political agendas on the scientific community as a whole, as some people here seem to be trying to do. However, with regards to Gore, I really don't get the picture that he's a selfish politician using and misrepresenting global warming to curry favor and profit. I think he finds it a fascinating, meaningful cause to uphold which he is unfortunately kind of under-qualified to represent. It seems that he continues to pursue knowledge in the (very broad) field of climate science and how it relates to human activity, and he is trying to use his clout to achieve what he perceives as meaningful progress. I really don't see much reason to call him a liar.

 

I've already ranted about this here. Fuck it.

 

 

The problem with the issue of global warming is that Gore and other politicians are imposing their political agenda on the scientific community. When you receive hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak on said issue, or run organizations that profit form your rhetoric, and manipulate the truth behind scientific research to benefit these endeavors, your involvement goes way beyond fascination. If he has access to the scientific data and is fabricating new data, and changing the research scientists have done then he is lying about the issue. As I've said if you read the reports from scientists they show that nearly everything he suggests is a manipulation of the truth.

 

I had a Geochem professor who thought that the importance of CO2 is overstated and the causes of warming aren't entirely clear, but he still believed it is worthwhile and necessary to reduce emissions. I've had other professors who believed that warming is a real danger, but I think in general scientists take the holistic approach that it is really one of many problems related to our impact on the planet that demand serious attention. The point isn't really that we are going to melt the icecaps with CO2 and fuck up ocean levels and all that, it's that we need to be better stewards if we expect to continue to live on this planet.

 

Agreed, this is the level headed approach to the issue that we should take, BUT this is not what is happening. The politicians have seized upon this moment to initiate new tax policies and invade our private lives more. Unlike most I DON'T appreciate that. Irregardless of how you get around your going to be affected by this. Energy prices are going to sky rocket, gas tax is going to increase etc. Hopefully the US doesn't end up like the UK and become a socialist country that gouges its citizens with a 70% tax rate.

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liberals hate america as the democratic republic it is

liberals talk like republicans are for the rich

the richest congressmen are dems

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The UK is hardly a socialist country we have a slightly left thinking government, I hardly think that constitutes socialist, the 70% tax is only on fuel, nothing else.

 

I used to work for an energy company and there is an issue with us using the natural resources of the planet and not preparing ourselves for when those reserves run out. I know that is a slightly different issue to the whole climate issue that the governments push down our throats, the usage of the natural resources is also a reason why such high taxes are being put on or will be put onto fuel costs simply because the governments need money to invest in infrastructure, research and development and working out how the country will continue to run once we have ran resources out. The higher the cost of energy, the more people with think about their consumption, the higher price of energy will also then funnel money intoprojects for renewable energy sources. As cars are a big user of fuels this is a reason why the UK government taxes it so much.

 

To be honest more people could do with driving less, driving makes a lot of people lazy where they end up driving to the local shop to pick up a paper when in reality they could just walk the 10 minutes down the road to the shop, with such issues as child obesity and general overweight population it won't be a bad thing to get them off their fat asses and walk/ride places instead of using a car.

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Your depiction of life pertains to urban areas. It's rather selfish of you to suggest that everyone has this luxury of being so near markets. Vehicles have nothing to do with obesity rather it's a socioeconomic issue and in the US has a lot to do with the subsidies government gives to farms. When taxes and the cost of driving goes up were all affected due to This increase in cost of transoprtation and shipping. The vehicles I own are for business, hence the purchase of a truck. There are numerous oil and gas deposits all over the US, ANWAR, off shore, natural gas in the Midwest, etc. To suggest were running out of these supplies is misleading, but Im not suggesting there shouldn't be investment into technology. Just that it shouldn't require excessive taxation. I put very little faith in the goverenments ability to appropriate funds responsibly.

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I was talkng about the local shops, even small villages in the countryside tend to have local shops where you can buy cigarettes or a newspaper or milk, it is those journeys that people should be walking and not driving, I know it is impossible for some people but if you have a shop within 15 minutes walk I don't see why anyone should drive to that shop.

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Change!

 

Hope!

 

Hook, line and sinker.

 

Shit. it tasted so good though!

well the constitution says it. europe practices it, even with a much better system then we have, and most of america is to fat or bitch made to do it, but Revolt Riot and Raise hell till we get some real fuckin change. with the way the judicial system looks like its heading people need to stand up for their freedoms before were all standing in a dictatorship scratching our head like. "da fuck..!"

 

Big business operates the government and society in such an open way because we let them get away with it. if the people really were the final say in this society we'd have those fuckers in check.

 

RIPUSA

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The problem with the issue of global warming is that Gore and other politicians are imposing their political agenda on the scientific community. When you receive hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak on said issue, or run organizations that profit form your rhetoric, and manipulate the truth behind scientific research to benefit these endeavors, your involvement goes way beyond fascination.

 

You're very quick to call people in the public eye money-grubbing and manipulative. Remember that (most) politicians are people too. Al Gore might speak in a boring monotone, and he might be naive with regard to the world of science and the issues he has chosen to champion, but I really don't get the picture that he's out for money and power. He already has that. He actually just put out a new book (Our Choice), for which he did a great deal of research and consulted a number of experts; I think he made a valiant effort to become educated on the subject of climate change and clean technology. I think whether or not he's totally correct about all of the science, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as far as motives go.

 

If he has access to the scientific data and is fabricating new data, and changing the research scientists have done then he is lying about the issue. As I've said if you read the reports from scientists they show that nearly everything he suggests is a manipulation of the truth.

 

I don't see evidence for this. I think he made a few (minor) mistakes and people pounced on that and decided to call him a liar. This is an egregious exaggeration and your citing "the reports from scientists" is meaningless. Also, Gore doesn't "have access to the data," that's completely retarded. Do you understand how research works? Remember, the oil industry has waaaaay more clout as far as falsifying data and funding self-serving studies goes.

 

Agreed, this is the level headed approach to the issue that we should take, BUT this is not what is happening. The politicians have seized upon this moment to initiate new tax policies and invade our private lives more. Unlike most I DON'T appreciate that. Irregardless of how you get around your going to be affected by this. Energy prices are going to sky rocket, gas tax is going to increase etc.

 

Well this is just some tin-foil hat bullshit that I don't need to respond to. Also, "irregardless" isn't a word.

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mere puppets

 

"A man carried a monkey about for a shew, & because he was a little wiser than the monkey, grew vain, and conceiv'd himself as much wiser than seven men. It is so with Swedenborg; he shews the folly of churches and exposes hypocrites, till he imagines that all are religious, & himself the single one on earth that ever broke a net."

 

That's William Blake writing about Emanuel Swedenborg, but I think it applies to all you finger-pointers in here.

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irregardless is not a word?

 

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Irregardless was first acknowledged in 1912 by the Wentworth American Dialect Dictionary as originating from western Indiana.

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Your not really saying anything about the issue. I've posted NUMEROUS articles, research, and findings that show how erroneous Al Gores movie and pseudo science is. How do you not get that he is out for money and power? You really think that the hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars he is making off of these lies is some how charitable? Where is this money going? HMMM...IT IS MAKING HIM WEALTHY! SO explain to me how he's not trying to get wealthy! His agenda is basically one big marketing scam so he can become wealthy.

 

A few "Minor" mistakes? You've got to be kidding? The foundation for his movie, which spurred public opinion in his favor, was based on the rise in temperatures due to green house gas emission, yet the reality is that the timeline in the core samples is over 800 years difference, not 50 years. THIS is not MINOR. His ties with oil, big business and the bureaucracy in washington go back decades and decades. He is making hundreds of millions on his investments in this industry and has played a major role in the shaping of cap and trade.

 

 

So, you state that he doesn't have access to any scientific data? What do you think he's sitting in his little office just postulating about this crap? And if this is the case, as you suggest, how is any thing he is saying credible? If he is so on point and has made these minor mistakes then how is his opinion so accurate as you suggest? And how is it believable? "Remember" he is not a scientist and doesn't have access to the data! And how is that you disavow his ability as a scientist, then suggest he's relatively accurate, THEN dispute the accuracy of scientists who argue that much of what he and global warming theorists are saying is wrong? YOU MAKE NO SENSE! Your whole opinion is laughable at best

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Blood & Gore.

 

 

I still can't get over that the company, Al Gore's company, the very company that will be selling us "carbon credits" is named "Blood & Gore". Fucking mindfuck how people don't realize that we are being taken for a ride.

 

Sure, global warming is a reality. It has been since the little ice age ended. It happens every time an ice age ends. Yep, we pollute. That sucks. The very people who tell us not to pollute and that we have to pay, are the very people who are dumping chems into our oceans, putting virii into our vaccincations, dumping chems into our drinking water, etc.

 

Mindfuck.

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^^

bingo.

 

why is al gore even still using energy? i mean wtf?

and barbara streisand her 22K a year water bills?

 

the same people that think they can fix 'global warming' and that they know what they are doing and what is best for us, are the same people who engage in foreign wars that have killed tens of millions of people, who manage roads that kill tens of thousands of people a year, who claim the right to beat you, taze you, and throw you into a cage behind bars for crimes that dont even have a victim.

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Soon their going to tax us for breathing out C02

The national being alive tax, but you get tax break if your buy dead peoples carbon breathing credit

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Damn cows destroying the earth! they need to do something about this...

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Soon their going to tax us for breathing out C02

The national being alive tax, but you get tax break if your buy dead peoples carbon breathing credit

CowFartUnits_Schedule_UN.gif

Damn cows destroying the earth! they need to do something about this...

 

why dont we eat them

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Not only is Obama the new G. Bush, these assholes are actually related! Hahaha

 

George W. Bush and Obama are 10th cousins once removed – linked through a 17th century Massachusetts couple, Samuel Hinckley and Sarah Soole

 

obama-bush-hug.jpg

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bingo.

 

why is al gore even still using energy? i mean wtf?

and barbara streisand her 22K a year water bills?

 

the same people that think they can fix 'global warming' and that they know what they are doing and what is best for us, are the same people who engage in foreign wars that have killed tens of millions of people, who manage roads that kill tens of thousands of people a year, who claim the right to beat you, taze you, and throw you into a cage behind bars for crimes that dont even have a victim.

 

 

Too bad you weren't down here a couple of years ago when the local news did a story on Al Gore's power bill per month. His house is huge.

 

They also talked about his investments into mercury mining here in Tennessee....mindfuck.

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Not only is Obama the new G. Bush, these assholes are actually related! Hahaha

 

George W. Bush and Obama are 10th cousins once removed – linked through a 17th century Massachusetts couple, Samuel Hinckley and Sarah Soole

 

obama-bush-hug.jpg

 

 

 

I used to think a lot about this, the royal family relations and so forth. Now, I don't even care. It's the policy and the lack of will of the people that gets me pissed.

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irregardless is not a word?

 

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Irregardless was first acknowledged in 1912 by the Wentworth American Dialect Dictionary as originating from western Indiana.

 

It's a double negative and it's considered nonstandard. I suppose it has some colloquial validity, but you can say that about a lot of questionable words. In any case your grammar stinks.

 

I can't continue to argue with someone who has no appreciation for nuance. The world, especially the world of politics and global climate, is not so black and white. You're a self-righteous clown, and your ideas echo the type of short-sighted crap I might have taken seriously when I was 13. Welcome to my ignore list.

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You stand for nothing and are completely wrong about everything you've said basically your a mindless fool that accepts the trash the government and media has fed you.

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