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Obama: The New George Bush

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First OF all THERE Is not a "CHEVY BONNEVILE" OK....ITS a Chevy Caprice... Or the Ford Crown Victoria or Mercury Grand Marquis....Chevy Bonnevile...Its a Pontiac Bonneville and it wasn't used by the government

 

Japanese cars are pieces of shit and if you buy one your un American, but I'd expect someone like SMART to be into that Jap shit...

 

Japanese cars are probably the most reliable and best made cars you can get. American cars are well known for having cheap finished interiors and big unefficient engines. I'm not saying that I don't like American cars cos I certainly like some but cars made in Europe and Japan are far superior when it comes to build quality of the vehicle. Every single car show I have ever seen and every single review of American cars I have read states this.

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First OF all THERE Is not a "CHEVY BONNEVILE" OK....ITS a Chevy Caprice... Or the Ford Crown Victoria or Mercury Grand Marquis....Chevy Bonnevile...Its a Pontiac Bonneville and it wasn't used by the government

 

Japanese cars are pieces of shit and if you buy one your un American, but I'd expect someone like SMART to be into that Jap shit...

 

American cars fucking suck, and YOU'RE and idiot.

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I have just listened to that speech Casek, and I don't really think the guy is on point.

 

The agreement to be signed in Copenhagen is all about the climate control, that speaker is just scare mongering. The transferral of wealth that he talks about is richer countries giving money to poorer countries to be used specifically to help improve the climate.

 

As for signing over sovereignty, that isn't what the copenhagen agreement is. It is an agreement between all the countries to do something about climate change, the fact that that may supercide the consititution is neither here nor there, it just means that the governemnt has agreed to do something about it, it doesn't mean that the US isn't going to be governed as it always has. The climate, and the future of the world and how we deal with carbon emmissions etc. is more important than the constitution and the Copenhagen agreement will have nothing to do with how America is run as a country, it is just an agreement to do something about the climate.

 

Obviously lots of people will use this scare tactic of America losing it's independence, but the US is one of the biggest contributors to the environmental situation in the world and the previous US government were so ignorant that they didn't sign up to any agreements to do something about it, so fair play to Obama if he signs this agreement

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Also Lord Monkton or whatever his name is (I wont give him the respect to look into the spelling of his name) is in no way any kind of reputable source, he was advisor to Margaret Thatcher probably the worst leader the UK ever had and a disgusting piece of shit woman that I would gladly dance on her grave when she (thankfully) dies.

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Also Lord Monkton or whatever his name is (I wont give him the respect to look into the spelling of his name) is in no way any kind of reputable source, he was advisor to Margaret Thatcher probably the worst leader the UK ever had and a disgusting piece of shit woman that I would gladly dance on her grave when she (thankfully) dies.

 

 

Has Anyone Read the Copenhagen Agreement?

 

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574500580285679074.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#printMode

 

 

I agree about Thatcher. She has paintings in her house stolen from the Jews by her father

during WWII.....and she's proud of having them.

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apparently the new fords coming out should be more or just as reliable as honda/any other jap car. im trying to remember where i read it. when i do ill post a link.

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Do you actually believe this? Just wondering.

 

well, sure. or else I wouldn't have bothered to type it.

 

you are born into ignorance. the sooner you find enlightenment, the sooner you realize we are all apart of the same life force. your existence matters as much as mine.

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bump free market capitalism.. best products win.

 

it's a form of indentured servitude. OH WAIT CAN'T HEAR ME OVER YOUR IPOD?

 

thought so... carry on.

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well, sure. or else I wouldn't have bothered to type it.

 

you are born into ignorance. the sooner you find enlightenment, the sooner you realize we are all apart of the same life force. your existence matters as much as mine.

 

Right, I agree with that, I guess I just think it's cheesy and a little naive to apply this to humanity as a whole. I don't think I believe in progress (not to be confused with change). What people define as progress, or 'good' in general, is only defined relative to what is stagnant, what is 'bad.' The peaceful existence of all humans just seems to me like an absurd idea, though, I suppose paradoxically, it might be a necessary one.

 

/yesLSDmushroomsThizzlam

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Anyone who studies the way of the Tao should know that both good and evil are codependent

and one could not exist without the other.

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it's a form of indentured servitude. OH WAIT CAN'T HEAR ME OVER YOUR IPOD?

 

thought so... carry on.

 

the differance in the feudal system(aka capitalism or what-have-you) today is that your not stuck as an indentured servant..with enough motivation and drive you can do what you have to do to become part of the elite..but most are happy as sheeple..errr...indentured servants so it doesnt matter. As long as they have their beer, 8000 channel bigscreen with the game on, a house, IPOD, and steady pay to get by, life is goooooooooooood

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Anyone who studies the way of the Tao should know that both good and evil are codependent

and one could not exist without the other.

 

Yep. This discussion could be a whole other thread.

 

also, "Progress is a comfortable disease" - e.e. cummings

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Indentured servitude? Really? How can you compare working for some company say in retail or construction, with all of the government mandated programs and social services we have, to INDENTURED SERVITUDE? This servitude was basically a contract between laborer and owner, and although this type of contract labor could be abused, it does not mean it was or is an abusive practice. On the contrary this agreement afforded some opportunity that otherwise might not be available. Personally, I've worked and currently as a sub-contractor and I'm legally bound to abide by certain restrictions that are set forth in the contract that I've signed.

 

 

On the issue of Japanese vehicles verse American? Really there is no comparison, and as an American I'm going to advocate the use of American products, for those of you that are not American, then I understand your difference of opinion. But the fact is that American vehicles offer more power, more trucks, construction vehicles, delivery, tractor trailers, and are quickly moving to overtake japanese and european manufacturers in fuel economy. As a matter of fact a great deal of European autos are actually owned by American companies, and in addition the cost to maintain a German car in America is outrageous.

 

 

And when it comes to racing or power vs. cost, german, european or Japan can't hold a candle to American muscle.

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but all the best super cars and sports cars are european, not denying they are fucking expensive but Italians and Germans kill the market and nothing that America has apart from maybe the Ford GT supercar comes close, also American cars are well known the world over for having cheap tacky plasticy interiors and big inefficient engines, I mean I love big old American cars they are design classic but to be able to squeeze 200BHP out of a huge 4 litre V8 is rubbish when the italians would be pushing 400-500bhp out of them

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its definitely inaccurate to compare capitalism to indentured servitude... to accurately debate this will require a new thread. but suffice it to say at present, that if a contract is entered into free of coercion, on peoples own free will, the contract is moral.

 

as for american vs japanese/imports... it depends what we are talking about. if you are talking about trucks, heavy equipment, speed, etc, hands down american beats import. if you are talking fuel economy, reliability, overall consumer satisfaction... hands down jap beats american. high end luxury, euro's are on top.

european cars like VW are much better than they used to be. used to be i would never think of owning one, but now, i MIGHT consider it. of course this is largely based on parts prices, weird problems and general problems related to working on them.

 

but lets not forget that there isnt really much of an 'american cars' vs 'japanese cars' etc. debate any more. its not clear cut.

as pointed out daimler has partnered with chrysler. ford was putting mazda engines and parts in theirs. chevy/gm was putting toyota engines/parts in their cars. hondas, toyota's vw's all have assembly plants in the US. and you'd be lucky to find a part on an 'american' car or truck that is actually stamped with a made in the USA stamp or sticker. most john deere's up to 50hp all have jap diesels. only the big tractors are even assembled in the US.

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Indentured servitude? Really? How can you compare working for some company say in retail or construction, with all of the government mandated programs and social services we have, to INDENTURED SERVITUDE? This servitude was basically a contract between laborer and owner, and although this type of contract labor could be abused, it does not mean it was or is an abusive practice. On the contrary this agreement afforded some opportunity that otherwise might not be available. Personally, I've worked and currently as a sub-contractor and I'm legally bound to abide by certain restrictions that are set forth in the contract that I've signed.

 

 

you have to work for money. money which you then use to sustain your life. this form of economic slavery means the slave has to provide food clothing and shelter for himself and his family.

 

much like INDENTURED SERVITUDE, whereas the land owner or "master" controls how much your "shared crop" is worth. he controls your time, your money, and invariably your life. he controls you... with money.

 

it's a way to keep the wealth consolidated and the public unaware under the guise of Freedom. so far it's the best way to control people... look around, almost nobody notices. they blame everything else but the root of the problem.

 

to find the correct answers, you must ask the correct questions.

 

it's ok that you don't understand this. it's better that you try though.

 

maybe off topic, but... do you know how to catch a wild pig?

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its definitely inaccurate to compare capitalism to indentured servitude... to accurately debate this will require a new thread. but suffice it to say at present, that if a contract is entered into free of coercion, on peoples own free will, the contract is moral.

 

 

contracts aren't written in plain english for a reason. it is by human creation, coerce.

 

and i never signed a contract when i was born into poverty, a single white male, right handed... no college scholarships... no trust fund... no powerful family members... I was born into this heaping pile of financial mess and been trying to make sense of it all for a good number of years now. turns out, money isn't real.

 

to me, money is just a means to an end. and without an end, what good is the money?

 

they convinced people that gold is the same as paper, made a tiny notation of that in history books, then effectively ROBBED whatever little remaining wealth the people actually had. and this is the world you grew up into.

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just to get this straight, you are equating being born into a laissez faire capitalist society, where you have to produce something to get something, with slavery?

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The Ultimate Aero is an American-built mid-engine sports car by Shelby SuperCars more commonly known as SSC. The SSC Ultimate Aero,[1] is currently the fastest production car in the world, with a fastest recorded speed of 413 km/h (257 mph).[2] This speed was reportedly achieved during tests on September 13, 2007 in West Richland, Washington, United States and verified by Guinness World Records on October 9, 2007.[3] In 2004 the company‘s less powerful version called the Aero SC/8T was used in development but did not go into production.

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The fastest sedan in the world...Stock 556 hp V8/ 0-60 in 3.8 seconds...Modified in this picture with over 700 hp...

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I agree it is a fast car in a straight line, but again I have seen a review of it and they were very critical of the cheapness of it, it had nowhere near the quality of build as say a Zonda or a Mercedes Mclaren SLR, like I said before I like American cars just the interior build quality are generally rubbish and very cheaply finished. It also is ugly and looks remarkably dated already.

 

Also the review I saw had it on a track and it isn't as good in the corners as it is in a straight line, so what good is that!!

 

The Mercedes Black saloons are faster than that Caddy as well and again every review of the Caddy critises its poor build quality and cheap tacky interior finsh. Also the Mercedes Brabus Rocket sedan is faster than the CTS not to mention a hell of a lot better looking that caddy is vile.

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just to get this straight, you are equating being born into a laissez faire capitalist society, where you have to produce something to get something, with slavery?

 

yes. because whatever it is you produce is sold for money. and the Federal Reserve Bank regulates the value of your money. they are the slave masters in this entire equation.

 

inflation of the money supply DEVALUES the currency - as the money is only given VALUE by the existing money supply. print more money, it's worth less because there's more of it in circulation (aka, SCARCITY).

 

add to this the fact that every newly created dollar is attached with INTEREST (a percentage to pay the Federal Reserve back for creating this money for you). this means for every dollar created, it's owed back to the Federal Reserve AT INTEREST.

 

but if the one company who prints this money asks for more in return... where does the money for the INTEREST come from?

 

it doesn't exist. it's a system of perpetual debt. if there weren't any Debt, there wouldn't be any money. ergo, Money is created out of Debt.

 

what do people do when they are in debt? they submit to employment to earn money to repay that debt. and that's what I'm fucking tired of doing. fuck working to pay off my ever increasing debt to a bank.

 

it's slavery by another name.

 

edit: yes i am quoting Zeitgeist: Addendum. aside from the religious aspects, the documentary is pretty sound when describing the sordid state of affairs that we as Americans are left to wonder "What the fuck? How did this all happen?"

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