Obama: The New George Bush

[SOAKER]

They are profiting from it in the UK too, they have a sliding scale of car tax dependant on the emissions of your car, I am glad I don't drive as car drivers are taxed more than smokers, Tax on fuel, yearly car tax, car insurance, MOT you name it they will tax it!!

 

damn you still going on about that shit..get your head out ya ass...smarty pants

 

Haha...I had to pay something like 4000 in taxes on my truck...and another 1000 to license it. Now I have to pay damn near 20% in tax on fuel...then theres the parking tickets, traffic violations, insurance, taxes on insurance...it is out of control...Wait until they start passing taxes on carbon...Oh wait they already do that..gas guzzler tax...insane

[Smart]

So it's my fault that you wilfully bought a vehicle with large tax impact, I really don't even understand that part, then you had to license it like every other American and buy fuel... FURTHER you expect sympathy because you can't obey parking laws and/or traffic laws AND THEN you want to bitch about insurance, which is really protection for the other driver,... you are an amazing asshole.

 

I just reaized that you only shot at me in your first sentence but Decy is a homie and you're (YOU ARE) still an idiot.

[Smart]

damn you still going on about that shit..get your head out ya ass...smarty pants/QUOTE]

 

Yeah wait... around here, the smart folk... we don't post a few replies directly at someone and then try to act like they're blowing up the tissue. It's considered fairly transparent and equals a FAIL on the 12oz radar. Why don't you just google up more racist posters and keep your mouth shut?

[ILOTSMYBRAIN]

It's true that global climate is changing but I have some doubts regarding some of the claims regarding "global warming" and carbon offsets, not to mention the way some of the facts and figures are presented.

 

And that's not me being a right wing weirdo, that's just me being skeptical.

 

Don't pay attention to people who try to look down on other people who behave the same way they do.

 

Bunch of them around here.

[SOAKER]

So it's my fault that you wilfully bought a vehicle with large tax impact, I really don't even understand that part, then you had to license it like every other American and buy fuel... FURTHER you expect sympathy because you can't obey parking laws and/or traffic laws AND THEN you want to bitch about insurance, which is really protection for the other driver,... you are an amazing asshole.

 

I just reaized that you only shot at me in your first sentence but Decy is a homie and you're (YOU ARE) still an idiot.

 

 

Ok the tax is based on the value of the vehicle. Why or for what purpose I bought said vehicle has nothing to do with your megalomaniacal banter. The fact that I had to pay taxes on this vehicle is my issue. Besides this is a state tax. Who's looking for sympathy? WTF are you talking about. What does anything I said have to do with you anyways. When you bought your vehicle you licensed it, but not as an American. You spelled willfully wrong...

[SOAKER]

damn you still going on about that shit..get your head out ya ass...smarty pants/QUOTE]

 

Yeah wait... around here, the smart folk... we don't post a few replies directly at someone and then try to act like they're blowing up the tissue. It's considered fairly transparent and equals a FAIL on the 12oz radar. Why don't you just google up more racist posters and keep your mouth shut?

 

 

What the hell are even saying? Racist posters? What is racist about Al Gore trying to eat the planet? You really do love your democrats don't ya. Like I said the liberals always want to label people racist nuts when they don't agree with them...Man you need to get out the house or something cause your starting to sound pretty insane...

[SOAKER]

 

Another "racist" poster.

 

Racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

[SOAKER]

Interesting comparison of Bush and Obama

 

"There are many striking parallels between The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and such misguided policies as the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the Global War on Terror. They all: Expand the role, power, and influence of government; Drastically increase government spending; Diminish individual liberties; Have questionable aims and unresolved practical complications; Lack exit-strategies and clearly defined standards of success or accountability; Have been sold to Americans by manufacturing a crisis and claiming that we simply must act, that there is no other way, and that without these laws, the development of some kind of worst-case scenario is inevitable; Have official names that are confusing, misleading, and often contradictory to the real aims and results of the legislation itself."

[SOAKER]

 

 

This one is REALLY RACIST...hahaha wtf

[Smart]

Right, it's your issue, so STFU. I mostly ride a bicycle. What I don't drive on the regular is a Benz, so... nice truck I bet.

 

Wait, NOW IT'S SPELLING? Remember how I said capitilization wasn't a hang up... well, before that, typo's aren't either... catch me misspelling 'misspelling' grammar is king,.

[SOAKER]

Look this thread is about politics, specifically Bush and Obama...if you want to discuss bicycles, spellling or what ever else why don't you start a thread...geez. Don't make me get a moderator in here...

[Smart]

Racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

 

Yeah, keep using the plight of the concentration camp Jews to further your bitch about a black American President (who has really done you no harm) and we'll all keep acting like the Jews have no voice. You're a goddamned idiot, you're trying to promote your fictional suffering on the backs of those who ACTUALLY suffered.

 

I don't particu;arly believe that the Jews are an actual 'race' but these are the terms of our times and by that measure, you are undeniably a racist.

 

Plus you're too stupid to recognize it which is lke racist double time.

[Smart]

Look this thread is about politics, specifically Bush and Obama...if you want to discuss bicycles, spellling or what ever else why don't you start a thread...geez. Don't make me get a moderator in here...

 

 

Yeah, do it, get another Moderator in here... Send an Email, report a post, whatever...I suggest Seeking (no dis). Let's get the 'moderators' involved.

[SOAKER]

What are you talking about? Your mentioning him being black...When did I say ANYTHING about him being black? Did I say Obama did me harm? Are you negating anyone who has an issue with politicians. That is the purpose of this forum isn't it? To decry what the government is doing, or to support it in your case? That is the subject now isn't it? Besides the criticisms lay with both presidents and all of government. My fictional suffering? How did I say I'm suffering? Because I paid taxes? Well yeah, when I have to take my hard earned money and pay tens of thousands in taxes every year, I'm suffering. Not like those whom have endured slavery or concentration camps, besides the pictures are not of my creation, and political parody in cartoons, etc. is a age old tradition. Also, at no time did I mention concentration camps, they are pictures of FASCISTS of different kind, making a paradoxical comparison between two governments. Does this offend your political correctness sensibilities? I guess if it doesn't align with your progressive bicycle riding homoerotic tree hugging anti American views, its racist. Just so you know it's not only the Jewish that were killed by Nazis. I have family that was killed by Nazi, native Germans and military family. Admit it, you keep annoying me because I disagree with your political ideology, and that is one that endorses government control of the population.

[Smart]

I'm sorry Mr. Spelling Cop... did you mean "agitating"?

[Smart]

I don't hug trees and I don't care about your dead 'german' relatives but I'm kind of appaled at how you pimp them out for some flimsy republican position, I'm sure they'd lke my Benz better than your truck!

[SOAKER]

Oh I see so if you disagree with the governments agenda, since its democratic now, your a Racist Republican. How narrow minded of you. You mentioned concentration camps etc. and the plight of Jewish people, whom to you are not a race, and I simply explained to your simpleton logic, that Nazis killed more than Jews. So your point was invalidated. I know how making fun of Nazis and Communists offends your socialist political views, but thats just the way it is paper boy.

 

There is nothing wrong with hugging trees, matter of fact, I like trees, to wipe my ass with, but I'm surprised that you didn't say something about the homoerotic bicycle remark.

 

Look the bottom line is I'm right your wrong, and if you disagree with me your a racist.

[Smart]

Wait, when did I endorse the current administration? Judaism is a religion, not a race. I don't think I was ignorant of the Poles, Czechs and others that suffered under the work camp pogrom so I don't see how you explained anything to me... what's more, you failed to recognize, much less learn from, any of my points and you're still the same idiot with piss poor grammar and wrong headed ideas so... you just stick to being Right and the rest of us will be correct, it'll sort itself out.

[Decyferon]

damn you still going on about that shit..get your head out ya ass...smarty pants

 

Haha...I had to pay something like 4000 in taxes on my truck...and another 1000 to license it. Now I have to pay damn near 20% in tax on fuel...then theres the parking tickets, traffic violations, insurance, taxes on insurance...it is out of control...Wait until they start passing taxes on carbon...Oh wait they already do that..gas guzzler tax...insane

 

What the hell are you on about, I have not mentioned that before. What is your problem, you're already getting served by Smart, decided to pick another fight you will invariably lose.

 

You pay 20% in fuel tax, lucky you is all I can say, tax on fuel here is something stupid like around the 70% mark. If you decide to drive in central London then you will also have to pay an additional £5 a day just to do that (something they are considering in other cities also). You chose to drive that big truck of yours there is no point moaning about it. I decided not to drive because of the huge expense involved, I wasn't moaning about it I was just mentioning the level of taxation being brought in on vehicles simpy to highlight the extent to which the government is taking issue with the environment. They constantly use the environment to back up increases surrounding vehicles, green taxes etc.

 

Just as well you need to buy insurance for your vehicle considering you must drive poorly enough to warrant putting 'traffic violations' down as one of the major expenses involved in you owning a vehicle.

[lord_casek]

Jesus. Soaker, you don't need to be calling mods into here. We're fine with the couple of moderators we have that browse crossfire. Haven't you noticed that this place never has bans?

It used to until we all started acting like adults. It has been smooth sailing save for the 3 days DAO came in here and showed us his size 7 red text and poor photoshop skills.

 

Now you've gone and pissed off a senior moderator and shit is about to get ugly. Good going.

[Mainframe]

It's true that global climate is changing but I have some doubts regarding some of the claims regarding "global warming" and carbon offsets, not to mention the way some of the facts and figures are presented.

 

And that's not me being a right wing weirdo, that's just me being skeptical.

 

Well, there's no problem with that. It's one thing to be skeptical, but it's another thing entirely to call global warming a complete bullshit concoction. The whole problem is in the way global warming is presented in the media, which perhaps you recognize.

 

My position is that expertise should not be under-appreciated. That means laypeople who read a bunch of news articles or watch documentaries should really take their own opinions with a grain of salt. Science is not politics, and the scientific community, while it can be influenced politically to a limited extent, is not a political body. If broad, international scientific consensus reaches a certain conclusion on specific issue, it's really not in the realm of anyone who is not an expert to dispute, no matter what type of facts and figures you can dig up. These can easily be self serving. Of course there are experts who dispute scientific consensus; this is good, many of them probably have valid points which can help further research. I had a Geochem professor who thought that the importance of CO2 is overstated and the causes of warming aren't entirely clear, but he still believed it is worthwhile and necessary to reduce emissions. I've had other professors who believed that warming is a real danger, but I think in general scientists take the holistic approach that it is really one of many problems related to our impact on the planet that demand serious attention. The point isn't really that we are going to melt the icecaps with CO2 and fuck up ocean levels and all that, it's that we need to be better stewards if we expect to continue to live on this planet.

 

To me it is deeply ignorant to imbue political agendas on the scientific community as a whole, as some people here seem to be trying to do. However, with regards to Gore, I really don't get the picture that he's a selfish politician using and misrepresenting global warming to curry favor and profit. I think he finds it a fascinating, meaningful cause to uphold which he is unfortunately kind of under-qualified to represent. It seems that he continues to pursue knowledge in the (very broad) field of climate science and how it relates to human activity, and he is trying to use his clout to achieve what he perceives as meaningful progress. I really don't see much reason to call him a liar.

 

I've already ranted about this here. Fuck it.

[SOAKER]

Wait, when did I endorse the current administration? Judaism is a religion, not a race. I don't think I was ignorant of the Poles, Czechs and others that suffered under the work camp pogrom so I don't see how you explained anything to me... what's more, you failed to recognize, much less learn from, any of my points and you're still the same idiot with piss poor grammar and wrong headed ideas so... you just stick to being Right and the rest of us will be correct, it'll sort itself out.

 

Learn form your posts? What exactly did you teach? You failed to mention a great number of people or races that suffered from the Nazi socialist party. Ironically you dismiss the Jewish people as a race, yet say I'm racist because I disagree with a political view? Which one is it? you make no sense. Of course you endorse the Obama administration, everything you said thus far indicates this. My wrong headed ideas? What does that even mean? Obviously you disagree with my views on the climate, abortion, etc. Because those are the only things I've discussed in this forum. While you've managed to sabotage most conversations with talk of K cars, grammar, your bicycle, etc.

[SOAKER]

Well, there's no problem with that. It's one thing to be skeptical, but it's another thing entirely to call global warming a complete bullshit concoction. The whole problem is in the way global warming is presented in the media, which perhaps you recognize.

 

My position is that expertise should not be under-appreciated. That means laypeople who read a bunch of news articles or watch documentaries should really take their own opinions with a grain of salt. Science is not politics, and the scientific community, while it can be influenced politically to a limited extent, is not a political body. If broad, international scientific consensus reaches a certain conclusion on specific issue, it's really not in the realm of anyone who is not an expert to dispute, no matter what type of facts and figures you can dig up. These can easily be self serving. Of course there are experts who dispute scientific consensus; this is good, many of them probably have valid points which can help further research. I had a Geochem professor who thought that the importance of CO2 is overstated and the causes of warming aren't entirely clear, but he still believed it is worthwhile and necessary to reduce emissions. I've had other professors who believed that warming is a real danger, but I think in general scientists take the holistic approach that it is really one of many problems related to our impact on the planet that demand serious attention. The point isn't really that we are going to melt the icecaps with CO2 and fuck up ocean levels and all that, it's that we need to be better stewards if we expect to continue to live on this planet.

 

To me it is deeply ignorant to imbue political agendas on the scientific community as a whole, as some people here seem to be trying to do. However, with regards to Gore, I really don't get the picture that he's a selfish politician using and misrepresenting global warming to curry favor and profit. I think he finds it a fascinating, meaningful cause to uphold which he is unfortunately kind of under-qualified to represent. It seems that he continues to pursue knowledge in the (very broad) field of climate science and how it relates to human activity, and he is trying to use his clout to achieve what he perceives as meaningful progress. I really don't see much reason to call him a liar.

 

I've already ranted about this here. Fuck it.

 

 

The problem with the issue of global warming is that Gore and other politicians are imposing their political agenda on the scientific community. When you receive hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak on said issue, or run organizations that profit form your rhetoric, and manipulate the truth behind scientific research to benefit these endeavors, your involvement goes way beyond fascination. If he has access to the scientific data and is fabricating new data, and changing the research scientists have done then he is lying about the issue. As I've said if you read the reports from scientists they show that nearly everything he suggests is a manipulation of the truth.

 

I had a Geochem professor who thought that the importance of CO2 is overstated and the causes of warming aren't entirely clear, but he still believed it is worthwhile and necessary to reduce emissions. I've had other professors who believed that warming is a real danger, but I think in general scientists take the holistic approach that it is really one of many problems related to our impact on the planet that demand serious attention. The point isn't really that we are going to melt the icecaps with CO2 and fuck up ocean levels and all that, it's that we need to be better stewards if we expect to continue to live on this planet.

 

Agreed, this is the level headed approach to the issue that we should take, BUT this is not what is happening. The politicians have seized upon this moment to initiate new tax policies and invade our private lives more. Unlike most I DON'T appreciate that. Irregardless of how you get around your going to be affected by this. Energy prices are going to sky rocket, gas tax is going to increase etc. Hopefully the US doesn't end up like the UK and become a socialist country that gouges its citizens with a 70% tax rate.

[x5v1s]

liberals hate america as the democratic republic it is

liberals talk like republicans are for the rich

the richest congressmen are dems

[Decyferon]

The UK is hardly a socialist country we have a slightly left thinking government, I hardly think that constitutes socialist, the 70% tax is only on fuel, nothing else.

 

I used to work for an energy company and there is an issue with us using the natural resources of the planet and not preparing ourselves for when those reserves run out. I know that is a slightly different issue to the whole climate issue that the governments push down our throats, the usage of the natural resources is also a reason why such high taxes are being put on or will be put onto fuel costs simply because the governments need money to invest in infrastructure, research and development and working out how the country will continue to run once we have ran resources out. The higher the cost of energy, the more people with think about their consumption, the higher price of energy will also then funnel money intoprojects for renewable energy sources. As cars are a big user of fuels this is a reason why the UK government taxes it so much.

 

To be honest more people could do with driving less, driving makes a lot of people lazy where they end up driving to the local shop to pick up a paper when in reality they could just walk the 10 minutes down the road to the shop, with such issues as child obesity and general overweight population it won't be a bad thing to get them off their fat asses and walk/ride places instead of using a car.

[SOAKER]

Your depiction of life pertains to urban areas. It's rather selfish of you to suggest that everyone has this luxury of being so near markets. Vehicles have nothing to do with obesity rather it's a socioeconomic issue and in the US has a lot to do with the subsidies government gives to farms. When taxes and the cost of driving goes up were all affected due to This increase in cost of transoprtation and shipping. The vehicles I own are for business, hence the purchase of a truck. There are numerous oil and gas deposits all over the US, ANWAR, off shore, natural gas in the Midwest, etc. To suggest were running out of these supplies is misleading, but Im not suggesting there shouldn't be investment into technology. Just that it shouldn't require excessive taxation. I put very little faith in the goverenments ability to appropriate funds responsibly.

[Decyferon]

I was talkng about the local shops, even small villages in the countryside tend to have local shops where you can buy cigarettes or a newspaper or milk, it is those journeys that people should be walking and not driving, I know it is impossible for some people but if you have a shop within 15 minutes walk I don't see why anyone should drive to that shop.

[thenightstalker88]

mere puppets

[SOAKER]

[SOAKER]