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so to be quick with an intro...


i post on some private joint between a few friends and i, we started an art thread because alot of us paint canvas as opposed to write graffiti nowadays. i love graffiti which is why im on here all the time, but the long depressing drowning feeling of being a soon to be self employed muralist in not well paying pittsburgh has me intrigued to find out if i can make it on my own making sometimes taxable/nontaxable income and traveling doing shows and so forth. i know some people who post on here are better than i am at this, and we all have our influences and references and i would like this to be a thread fitting all of it and also our own personal work.


i know there is another part on this site for this, i think it is untitled, but noone really posts there and there is so much personality in channel zero as opposed to untitled and i believe the discussion can be alot better..... anyway some flicks of people i enjoy.


richard prince


this dude saved my ass in a crit in college i wasnt ready for because of a vicodin bender with and old flame. i had to have a specific reference for my work so i rocked some stenciled letters and even that wasnt good enough. i broke out a quote he had from an interview with "modern painters" magazine (american edition)interview below.












an interview from modern painters... a euro mag


"For our SPECIAL AMERICAN ISSUE, we invited Richard prince to curate an

on-the-page installation. Best known for his photographs and his joke paintings, Prince reveals in his email responses to MODERN PAINTERS' questions that while his sources are multifarious, by no means anything goes".


Have you always been funny?

Richard Prince: No, I'm not so funny. I like it when other people are

funny. It's hard being funny. Being funny is a way to survive. It's like that

joke: Jewish Man to his Friend: 'If I live I'll see you Wednesday. If I don't

I'll see you Thursday'.


When did you start telling jokes?

Prince: I never really started telling. I started telling them over. Back in 1985,

in Venice, California, I was drawing my favorite cartoons in pencil on paper.

After this I dropped the illustration or image part of the cartoon and

concentrated on the punch line.


What was your first joke? And when did you tell it?

Prince: The 'psychiatrist' joke. 1986- when I was living in New York, in the back of

303 Gallery on Park Ave. South. Like this- 'I went to see a psychiatrist. He

said "tell me everything", I did, and now he's doing my act'. I wrote it out

by hand on a piece of paper with a pencil. On a small piece of paper. I

called it a "Hand-Written "joke.


Are they always your own jokes?

Prince: None of them are mine. I get them from magazines, books, the internet.

Sometimes from the inside of a bank. You know they're just like blueprints that

float around the sky and show up on a cloud. Sometimes I buy them from other

criminals. People tell them to me. Ministers. Rabbis. Priests. Once I saw

one in the washing machine spinning around getting clean.


Do you laugh at your own jokes?

Prince: No.


Are there comedians you enjoy watching?

Prince: Sam Kinison. Bernie Mac. Richard Pryor. Phyllis Diller. Rodney



Are there any no-go areas of humour?

Prince: Religious paintings. Religious jokes. Black paintings. Black jokes. White

paintings. White jokes. Right and wrong. Responsibility. Crossing a line.

Step over this line if you want to fight, and then that someone does and you

step back and draw another line. 'Why did the Nazi cross the road?' That's

it. My no-going area is like living in sand. Moving by wading more than

swimming. I mean I wouldn't kill for a joke. There's a lot of areas the world

goes where it shouldn't be going. The world is fucked up enough without me

fucking it up more.


Most people start painting and then add words. Did you start the other way?

Prince: I got my supplies. I got my houseboat. I got a good pair of shoes. The

light is good. The clock is ticking. I wake up and I'm doing it in my sleep.

The bed is made and the floor is clean. It's my turn to drive, I sit back. I stare.

I stare at the painting and I forget. It's finished. Then I get more canvas and

more stretchers and more paint and start over.


When did you first think that you were a serious artist?

Prince: In 1967. I was seventeen. I walked into the Whiskey on Sunset Strip and

heard Jim Morrison sing Roadhouse Blues.


Does your art come from an autobiographical source?

Prince: It's all just like me. And it's all what I like. If you like it, I'll call

it mine. But you can't say it's all mine. Some of me, some of you. Most of

me, none of you. It's like when they ask me where I'm from- I say, 'not from

any place really'. And they say, 'What? Born in a balloon?'


What do you see as your major influences?

The Canal Zone. Peach Street in Braintree, Mass. Zorro. Carving the word

'shit' on my desk in fifth grade. Getting to know how to make it come out of

my cock in sixth grade. Steve McQueen and the two cars in the movie Bullitt.

Watching Lee Harvey Oswald get shot on TV. The Vietnam war. Martin Luther

King's assassination. Jackson Pollack. Lenny Bruce. Jimmy Piersol (he played

baseball for the Boston Red Sox and he was mentally unstable). Touching the

Berlin Wall in 1968. Rod Sterling. Hugh Hefner. What's My Line? Truth or

Consequences. Who Do You Trust? The Ed Sullivan Show (all TV shows). Milton

Bradley. Christian Metz. Lew Welch (a poet). Two Lane Blacktop (a movie).

Woodstock. Procol Harum. Blonde on Blonde. Beach combing in Weymouth, Mass,

when I was a teenager. West Side Story- especially the outfit Bernardo wore

to the YMCA dance. The INs and OUTs of the New York Social Register. The

fragrance counter at Sak's Fifth Avenue. Carol Shelby. The shininess of the

Velvet Underground. The Beach Boys'. In My Room. The World of Video. Tons

more. Tons.


Are there other artists working today or in the past that you rate highly?

Christopher Wool. Jeff Koons. Fischli & Weiss. David Hammonds. Sarah

Lucas. Martin Kippenberger. Rosemarie Trockel. Walter Dahn. George Condo.

James Casebere. James Welling. Dike Blair. Ricky Sparrow. Damien Hirst.

Thomas Ruff.


Is advertising a major influence in your work?

Overdetermination. Art directed. Psychologically hopped-up. Too good to be

true. The way it could be but never is. I wouldn't say an influence so much

as a sub-text. I've always liked when the impossible looks possible. Like a

good Sci-Fi film.


Although your subject matter is loud, your palette seems quiet.

Is this how you see it?

Yes. Like a beautiful scar on our head.


As well as jokes, are you also working on other kinds of painting?

YES. I'm painting nurses. I like their hats. Their aprons. Their shoes.

My mother was a nurse. My sister was a nurse. My grandmother and two cousins

were nurses. I collect 'nurse' books. Paperbacks. You can't miss them.

They're all over the airport. I like the words 'nurse', 'nurses', 'nursing'.

I'm recovering.


Do you work at the same time with photographic images as well as

written ones?

Yes. Mixing up the medicine. Pajamas and a pipe. Slippers and a dog. Back

and forth. Which is which? Bang a gong. Dip a brush. Click a camera.

It's a free concert from now on.


Do you find it confusing to work in different media at the same time?

There's nothing confusing about making art for me. I can't build a house. I

can't ride a horse. I can't repair a car. I can't sing and I can't vote.

Wavy hair. Freckles on a face. An arm defined by a vein. I can make art.


Does working and living outside of New York help to focus the

mind on art matters and avoid art politics?

I like living outside. Working outside. Right now outside is good. I can

eat politics, I can sleep politics, but I don't have to drink politics.



he makes other shit too, i just loooooove the joke paintings so much

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my man thad mosley


a real pittsburgh mafucka for real!!


the mail man!!


anyway, if you dont know about thaddeus mosley, he is a pittsburgh staple. 83 years old served in some old war, was a mail man to support his family and is an all around great guy. brian and i were in a workshop with dude in like 99 or 2000. he has a retrospective at the mattress factory up now its worth a saturday afternoon trip for sure.


dylan is your pops cool with him i bet he is, i wanna kick it with your pops sometime soon i would like to ask him for a crit of my new work









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Bo Bartlett




Medium: oil on linen

Dimensions: 120 x 168 inches

Price: Private Collection


Damascus Road


Medium: oil on linen

Dimensions: 120 x 168 inches

Price: Private Collection




Medium: oil on linen

Dimensions: 48 x 66 inches

Price: Private Collection




Medium: oil on linen

Dimensions: 89 x 138 inches

Price: Private Collection


Lady Eby


Medium: oil on panel

Dimensions: 24 x 24 inches

Price: Private Collection


The Forge (Swords into Plowshares)


Medium: oil on linen

Dimensions: 108 x 156 inches

Private Collection


Still Point


Medium: oil on panel

Dimensions: 32.5" x 32.5"

Keep in mind most of these are larger than life size...

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alsoit would be cool if people would post show listings in their respective cities just in case people are traveling over the summer, i know ill be showing in boston in august and can get to chicago, philly, nyc, etc etc easilyto check out shows

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E.V. Day


Bombshell, 1999, White crepe dress with monofilament and turnbuckles, 192 x 240 x 240


Scarlett Aorta, 2002, Red sequin dress with monofilament and turnbuckles, 192 x 240 x 240


Kristin Baker






Mai Braun


NYT - Oct 10, 2007 (Iraq), 2008; lacquer spray paint on newspaper; 11.5 x 12



Spencer Finch


49 Minutes (after Kawabata) | 2004, 14" x 14" each, seven digital C-prints, unique. The seven images are shot at seven minute intervals looking through a window at dusk.

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My man thad mosley












Any more pics, I've only heard of this guy never saw his work.

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the current favorites of mine:







(tracing the border of Israel with a can of paint)

Francis Alys^^




Blinky Palermo^ - all time favorite, died of an OD/suicide after his first major work, look him up.




How to explain art to a dead animal^


Joseph Beuys^^



pencil on a wall^

Sol Lewitt^^


Lawrence Weiner^


jenny holzer^


raymond pettibon^

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those line things are pretty bannanas


oh and last time i was in LA

i went to an art shoe and it had some of that

text stuff some was stupid but then again some was pretty mind bogling and made you think


also i gotta add there was a painting in one of the mueseums i visited

that had an all black painting with like a one foot by one foot white square

andsome lady was sayin they paid the artist 2000 for it


i was amused

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yeah im kind of salty i was supposed to sell a piece today for 250 and this shithead backed out on it after he made the winning bid on a silent auction so this is what i did, started a thread on 12oz. i would like to see some others post some shit in time, ive been to hella museums all over and i got flicks for days ima post til my laptop dies

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I really hope whoever did this did not get paid for it. Unfortunately i am probably very wrong.


But whatever i really dislike almost all modern art.

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I really hope whoever did this did not get paid for it. Unfortunately i am probably very wrong.


alot of money, its in a museum

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