Change?

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

why so hostile DAO?

Ron Paul knows what the deal is. You my friend do not.

we are in a depression, DAO. we are. you can deny and deny, but we are in it.

it started in february.

obama is doing nothing to destroy those laws that bush brought in. you know that.

the ghost sites aren't going anywhere,

here's obama laughing at you and the rest of the idiots who believe him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4ebLU-oE2o

Sometimes I wonder if you're really just bending over backwards to come up with this bullshit, or if you honestly believe the shit that comes out of your keyboard.

sheesh · May 1, 2009

Ron Paul knows what the deal is.

yes

lord_casek · May 1, 2009

Sometimes I wonder if you're really just bending over backwards to come up with this bullshit, or if you honestly believe the shit that comes out of your keyboard.

i know this to be true, DAO.

you have weak research skills.

so, tell me what is bullshit?

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

surely he's not that bad

the world celebrated when he got in and I think he was the best choice.

100 days is nothing the events of the last few months were out of his control so step off and fix your own shit then start bitchin'

Obama is going to go down in history as the greatest president we've ever had.

But some of these idiots will still invent shit to bitch about just to hear themselves complain.

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

i know this to be true, DAO.

you have weak research skills.

so, tell me what is bullshit?

You have weak reality skills.

Everything that comes out of your mouth when it comes to politics is bullshit.

lord_casek · May 1, 2009

surely he's not that bad

the world celebrated when he got in and I think he was the best choice.

100 days is nothing the events of the last few months were out of his control so step off and fix your own shit then start bitchin'

remember when obama and bush started working on this bailout plan...together?

that was in november.

i can point you toa million other things obama has done since elected that are fucking this country into a hole.

keep being retarded and believing in a false left/right paradigm,

i won't be laughing at you when you wake up to what's going on.

thrashcat · May 1, 2009

http://www.examiner.com/x-9268-Seattle-Libertarian-Examiner~y2009m4d30-The-more-things-change-the-more-they-remain-the-same

lord_casek · May 1, 2009

You have weak reality skills.

Everything that comes out of your mouth when it comes to politics is bullshit.

tell em what is bullshit? obama not wanting to prosecute the bush admin?

obama protecting CIA agents who tortured? using bugs and battery acid?

oh wait, i know. closing gitmo? he hasn't and won't do it.

first it was day 1, then 9 months, then 18, now he's "considering". there are

a thousand more of these sites. even if gitmo closes, we'll have the others.

oh, i know, maybe it's about ending the war in iraq? oh...he's not doing that either....

what is bullshit dao?

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

remember when obama and bush started working on this bailout plan...together?
that was in november.

i can point you toa million other things obama has done since elected that are fucking this country into a hole.

keep being retarded and believing in a false left/right paradigm,

i won't be laughing at you when you wake up to what's going on.

Not one thing that Obama is doing is "fucking this country into a hole".

Keep being retarded and believing in false Ron Paul/teaparty bullshit.

I will be laughing at you in 8 years when you're still ranting about how the best president we've ever had is some "evil socialist/fascist/alien lizard who singlehandedly destoyed America, apple pie and freedom fries".

lord_casek · May 1, 2009

U.S. Economy: GDP Shrinks in Worst Slump in 50 Years (Update3)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aJEEqW5QmJLg&refer=home

lord_casek · May 1, 2009

Not one thing that Obama is doing is "fucking this country into a hole".
Keep being retarded and believing in false Ron Paul/teaparty bullshit.

I will be laughing at you in 8 years when yuo're still ranting about how the best president we've ever had is some "evil socialist/fascist/alien lizard who singlehandedlydestoyed America, apple pie and freedom fries".

stop avoiding my questions.

uh huh. i've never called anyone a lizard alien.

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

tell em what is bullshit? obama not wanting to prosecute the bush admin?
obama protecting CIA agents who tortured? using bugs and battery acid?

oh wait, i know. closing gitmo? he hasn't and won't do it.

first it was day 1, then 9 months, then 18, now he's "considering". there are

a thousand more of these sites. even if gitmo closes, we'll have the others.

oh, i know, maybe it's about ending the war in iraq? oh...he's not doing that either....

what is bullshit dao?

He's already given his attorney general the green light to look into the shit.

He said he's not going to go after the dudes on the bottom of the totem pole, but is leaving it open to prosecute the people who conspired to re-wrote the laws.

He's already signed the orders to close gitmo.

THE CLOSING OF GITMO IS ALREADY IN THE WORKS. IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS HE DID.

He's also already set a fucking timeline to pull the troops out of Iraq.

Jesus fucking christ Casek do you even watch the news anymore, or do you get ALL your info from these wackjob rightwing conspiracy blogs?

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

U.S. Economy: GDP Shrinks in Worst Slump in 50 Years (Update3)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aJEEqW5QmJLg&refer=home

^THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE

JACK SHIT TO DO WITH OBAMA???

Mercer · May 1, 2009

I'll admit my enthusiasm for Obama is diminished somewhat with his performance.

The fact still remains no president can fix the economy and make the government perfect, still the best choice last time around.

I think some of Obama's "strategery" as an outsider noob president is to get the clout he needs politically amongst the DC powers that be

through tough compromises and not rocking the boat too hard off the bat.

After seeing what happened to Carter and how even some of his own party didn't support his good ideas and failed to make a difference.

He does need to go with the status quo somewhat and choose his battles wisely or suffer no congressional support at all and be labeled a lame duck.

Schnitzel · May 1, 2009

remember when obama and bush started working on this bailout plan...together?
that was in november.

i can point you toa million other things obama has done since elected that are fucking this country into a hole.

keep being retarded and believing in a false left/right paradigm,

i won't be laughing at you when you wake up to what's going on.

gotta be honest

since I'm not from the USof A we pretty much just get headlines so this did pass me by.

possibly a lesson to not speak unless I know what I'm talking about.

respectfuly withdrawn.

But I'm still not gonna say he's shit.

if reconciliation can be achieved with a black president it gives hope for australia' hopes of reconcicliation as well.

oops there I go again.

earmuffs · May 1, 2009

I think people were so desperate for change they bought into his bullshit...

Mercer · May 1, 2009

gotta be honest
since I'm not from the USof A we pretty much just get headlines so this did pass me by.

possibly a lesson to not speak unless I know what I'm talking about.

respectfuly withdrawn.

But I'm still not gonna say he's shit.

if reconciliation can be achieved with a black president it gives hope for australia' hopes of reconcicliation as well.

oops there I go again.

Does not compute, wut?

lord_casek · May 1, 2009

Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE51O3TB20090225?sp=true

Obama: No Gitmo Closure Anytime Soon

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/nov/10/news/chi-obama-gitmo-webonly-nov11

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/executive_orders/

Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,4661244.story?page=1

Obama's orders leave torture, indefinite detention intact

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11971

Secret List of U.S. Military Bases to Replace Gitmo

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6664947&page=1

DAO: television news is poison. no, i don't watch the news.

i read national newspapers, financial publications, whitepapers from thinktanks

and gov agencies, der spiegel, etc.

last time i watched a news station, i was ahead of them and my facts were

more straight than theirs. pretty funny since i'm not a journalist.

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

I think people were so desperate for change they bought into his bullshit...

I think some people are so desperate for shit to bitch about, that they'll find ways to bitch about anything.

earmuffs · May 1, 2009

true...

bitching is the new black

Schnitzel · May 1, 2009

Does not compute, wut?

the impression I got from the media in australia is that Obama was GOOD GOOD GOOD!

that it might not be is not really featured in Australian news.

my line about reconciliation is about the fact a black president can help ease the strain of america's slavery past gives hope to Australia building a bridge between balck and white Australia.

Then I realised I was talking with my mouth before my brain was engaged!

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE51O3TB20090225?sp=true

Obama: No Gitmo Closure Anytime Soon

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/nov/10/news/chi-obama-gitmo-webonly-nov11

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/executive_orders/

Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,4661244.story?page=1

Obama's orders leave torture, indefinite detention intact

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11971

Secret List of U.S. Military Bases to Replace Gitmo

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6664947&page=1

DAO: television news is poison. no, i don't watch the news.

i read national newspapers, financial publications, whitepapers from thinktanks

and gov agencies, der spiegel, etc.

last time i watched a news station, i was ahead of them and my facts were

more straight than theirs. pretty funny since i'm not a journalist.

That's why you're completely oblivious to what the fuck is going on.

You've been holed up in your rightwing conspiracy blogs for so long that you have no idea what the fuck is going on. People like you are so easily manipulated into believing the complete opposite of reality that it's rediculous. Just look at the titles you typed for your links. The shit is fucking laughable.

You can post all the wackjob propaganda you want, but those of us who are grounded in the real world already know better than to click on your links or even attempt to read your walls of text.

You're a lost cause, Casek. And I'm not even sure that there's any hope of talking sense to you anymore when it comes to this type of shit.

You're in your own world these days.

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Schnitzel · May 1, 2009

The internet aint all good!

lord_casek · May 1, 2009

That's why you're completely oblivious to what the fuck is going on.
You've been holed up in your rightwing conspiracy blogs for so long that you have no idea what the fuck is going on. People like you are so easily manipulated into believing the complete opposite of reality that it's rediculous. Just look at the titles you typed for your links. The shit is fucking laughable.

You can post all the wackjob propaganda you want, but those of us who are grounded in the real world already know better than to click on your links or even atempt to read your walls of text.

You're a lost cause, Casek. And I'm not even sure that there's any hope of talking sense to you anymore when it comes to this type of shit.

You're in your own world these days.

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you just called reuters, the chicago tribune, the la times, and a respected global intelligence agency conspiracy theory.

i typed those titles out? did i? no. i copy/pasted from the real titles of the articles.

you've brainwashed yourself, dao. you're a fucking zombie and won't even admit to yourself that you are wrong.

i'm putting you on my ignore list now.

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

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DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

i'm putting you on my ignore list now.

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MrChupacabra · May 1, 2009

So, yahoonews is a reliable source but reuters, chicago tribune, abc news and the la times are all wackjob propaganda sites? I have no desire to debate politics because its not my forte at all nor do i claim it is, but how are you going to say your news channels/websites are legit and then discredit some highly respected news groups like reuters?

edit: and since i'm guessing your response will be to try to talk some shit while avoiding the question, i'll save you some time and let you know that i'm not even remotely right wing, i don't care for Ron Paul, and i don't read any "conspiracy blogs."

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

So, yahoonews is a reliable source but reuters, chicago tribune, abc news and the la times are all wackjob propaganda sites? I have no desire to debate politics because its not my forte at all nor do i claim it is, but how are you going to say your news channels/websites are legit and then discredit some highly respected news groups like reuters?

edit: and since i'm guessing your response will be to try to talk some shit while avoiding the question, i'll save you some time and let you know that i'm not even remotely right wing, i don't care for Ron Paul, and i don't read any "conspiracy blogs."

Hey fucktard, did you even bother to click on Caseks links?

If you did you would see that the only one that even cosigned what Casek typed in his descriptions of the links was some wackjob conspiracy blog.

The ABC, Rueters, Chicago Times etc didn't say what the fuck Casek is trying to make it look like it says.

Here's some quotes from each of those articles he posted.

Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE51O3TB20090225?sp=true

"LONDON (Reuters) - Abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay has worsened sharply since President Barack Obama took office as prison guards "get their kicks in" before the camp is closed, according to a lawyer who represents detainees."

Obama: No Gitmo Closure Anytime Soon

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/nov/10/news/chi-obama-gitmo-webonly-nov11

" November 10, 2008 New Gitmo policy will take time to formulate, advisers say"

WASHINGTON— Barack Obama has said repeatedly that he wants to shutter the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, that holds accused terrorists. But aides cautioned Monday that the president-elect isn’t close to reaching a decision on how to do it.

The Associated Press reported advisers to Obama were crafting a plan that would send accused terrorists to the U.S. and try some of them in a new, specially tailored court system rather than the military tribunals currently in use.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/executive_orders/

Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,4661244.story?page=1

"Reporting from Washington -- The CIA's secret prisons are being shuttered. Harsh interrogation techniques are off-limits. And Guantanamo Bay will eventually go back to being a wind-swept naval base on the southeastern corner of Cuba."

Obama's orders leave torture, indefinite detention intact

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11971

" Global Research Articles by Tom Eley

Please support Global Research (WACKJOB CONSPIRACY BLOG)

Global Research relies on the financial support of its readers."

Secret List of U.S. Military Bases to Replace Gitmo

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6664947&page=1

"The U.S. military has prepared a list of U.S. military bases that could be used to house as many as 250 detainees currently being held at the U.S. Naval base in Guantanamo Bay, military officials tell ABCNews.com.

sheesh · May 1, 2009

damn DAO, negapropping me because i like Ron Paul's message of fiscal responsibility? kind of harsh isn't it?

i understand that's the image of drunken-asshole-oner, but a simple remprimand would've been sufficient, i'm not even in this argument, you didn't have to take your anger at casek out on me, i was just passing through...

while i disagree with the ridiculous amounts of spending, and feel that one of the main tenents of capitalism is that bad businesses fail (allowing better businesses to fill the gaps), and i think that obama really isn't going to change much as far as gitmo goes, he's just going to move that shit to bagram, where the u.s. media will have less (hard to believe, but less) access then they do in guantanamo bay, if he gets this done, he'll be the greatest president ever

House hearing takes aim at BCS By Lester Munson

ESPN.com

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With lobbyists circling the issue and legislation on a playoff system in the pipeline, the Bowl Championship Series debate in the U.S. Congress is heating up.

Although some suggest that the nation's leaders have more important issues to consider, there is a growing movement in the nation's capital that could decide the fate of the BCS. A power struggle formally begins Friday morning with a hearing in front of a House subcommittee.

The hearing comes in the wake of President Barack Obama's repeated suggestions that a playoff system would be preferable to the current format for determining a national champion of Division I college football. Plus the attorney general of Utah, Mark Shurtleff, is preparing an antitrust lawsuit that could dismantle the BCS.

Although the Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade, and Consumer Protection will not vote on any changes in U.S. law after Friday's hearing, committee members are expected to pound BCS officials with charges that distribution of BCS profits is unfair to half of America's football programs and that it does not pick a true national champion.

Led by committee chairman Bobby Rush, D-Ill., both Democrats and Republicans will take their shots at the BCS and demand changes.

"We are trying to create enough public pressure to cause them to switch voluntarily to a playoff system," says Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, who has introduced legislation that would prevent the BCS from claiming it is selecting a national champion. "I have not yet pushed the bill. I emphasize the word 'yet.' If our friends at the BCS sit on their hands and yawn, this legislation could end up on the president's desk for his signature."

It should come as no surprise that Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah, is expected to join Barton in his attack on the BCS on Friday. The University of Utah's undefeated 2008 team played in a BCS bowl game but was deprived of a shot at the national championship under BCS rules, and Matheson wants change.

"I don't think anyone wants the federal government to be running a football tournament," Matheson says. "But we need to make the postseason into a fair and equitable system."

House Calls

The House of Representatives has been applying pressure on the BCS with more than Friday's hearing. Last November, several congressmen wrote a formal letter to then President-elect Barack Obama calling for dramatic changes to the current system for determining a national collegiate football champion. And a month ago, a group of congressmen wrote a similar letter to BCS coordinator John Swofford.

Recognizing the seriousness of the threats coming from Capitol Hill, the BCS has hired former congressman J.C. Watts, who has become a powerful lobbyist after his four terms in the House of Representatives. Watts starred as a quarterback at the University of Oklahoma and in the Canadian Football League before serving in the House from 1995 to 2003.

The Football Bowl Association, a trade group that represents 29 postseason bowls, is also concerned enough to hire another influential lobbyist, Philip Hochberg, who has earned high praise representing the NHL, the NFL, the NBA and NASCAR.

Both of these high-powered lobbyists have been working with committee members and members of Congress in attempts to slow the momentum that is pulling Congress toward the imposition of a playoff system.

The work of the lobbyists is not confined to the House. They're also working on senators from both parties in anticipation of more pressure from the Senate's Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights. Both the chairman, Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wis., and the ranking Republican, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, have promised a hearing that will focus on BCS issues.

BCS coordinator John Swofford, the commissioner of the ACC, is expected to tell the committee that the BCS schools are receptive to change but that a switch to a playoff system would be difficult due to contractual obligations with some of the bowls. According to a football official with knowledge of the BCS preparations for the hearing, who asked for anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issues, Swofford is also expected to assert that a playoff system would devalue the regular season and could destroy many of the mid-tier and small bowl games.

In addition to these problems, Swofford is expected to testify that it would be difficult to find neutral sites for the playoff games, and many fans would find it impossible to follow their team through the playoff.

BCS coordinator John Swofford will have to play prevent defense in front of the House subcommittee.

Responding to Swofford's testimony at the hearing will be Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson. As a result of the University of Utah's undefeated season, Thompson and the conference have refused to sign the final written version of the four-year, $500 million contract with ESPN to televise BCS bowls beginning in the 2010 season. Thompson has also presented a detailed set of proposals to the BCS, including an eight-team playoff and a ranking system that eliminates computers and relies on committees of coaches and experts.

Rush, Barton, Matheson and other committee members will likely support Thompson and argue with Swofford.

A third witness, Derrick Fox of the Alamo Bowl, is expected to tell the committee of the difficulties his bowl and other non-BCS bowls would face under a playoff system.

It's the second time the subcommittee has looked at the BCS. At a hearing in December of 2005, committee members were willing to wait for the BCS to reform itself. They now appear to be more willing to take action that would force change on the BCS.

"If we took a vote today in the House, more than two-thirds of the members would vote to put in a playoff system," Barton says. "The only people who do not support the playoff idea are members who think we should not be involved in the issue at all and that we have more important things to consider."

fuck the B(S)CS

DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER · May 1, 2009

damn DAO, negapropping me because i like Ron Paul's message of fiscal responsibility? kind of harsh isn't it?

This nigga said FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! :lol:

Son... shutting down the IRS is NOT "fiscal responsibility". It's fiscal suicide.

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