Chavez Says Colombian Incursion in Venezuela Would Cause War

[lord_casek]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aadhO1YJPjhU&refer=latin_america

 

By Matthew Walter

March 2 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said an incursion by the Colombian military into Venezuela, similar to the air strike carried out yesterday in Ecuador, would provoke a war.

Colombia's military killed Raul Reyes, a leader of Colombia's biggest guerrilla group, in a predawn air strike against his camp in neighboring Ecuador. Colombian troops crossed into Ecuador after the strike to collect bodies.

Chavez has been in negotiations with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia guerrilla group to secure hostage releases. His increased involvement in the Colombian conflict has heightened tensions between the two countries.

``Don't even think about doing something like this over here (Colombian) President Uribe, because that would be extremely serious,'' Chavez said, according to a statement published on the Venezuelan information ministry's Web site. ``A military incursion on Venezuelan soil would be a cause for war.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Matthew Walter in Caracas at mwalter4@bloomberg.net .

[lord_casek]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23435878/

[Juan Fuentes]

The Colombian army, or the paramilitaries, controlled by the same people, we don't know which of them were responsible for the attack. They bombed them, went down and took the bodies of Raul Reyes and Julian Conrado, top FARC officials, as trophies to be used in the Colombian media. The rest, that were bombed while SLEEPING(because most of them were found in pajamas and sleeping clothes)(contrary to the lie the Colombian government made about they being attacked) were left there to be collected by the Ecuadorian government which also found 2 female FARC fighters wounded.

 

The gateway towards Latin America, Colombia. The Israel of South America.

 

 

Looks like everything will be okay, no invasion of any country, for now... And the good side of it is that it will awaken more Venezuelans and Ecuadorians against the puppet government of Colombia. Make them exercise militarily and strengthen their defenses.

 

"what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" (saying doesnt apply for: aspartame, fluoride, chemtrails, prozac, zoloft, and other NWO BioTerrorist weapons)

[lord_casek]

The Colombian army, or the paramilitaries, controlled by the same people, we don't know which of them were responsible for the attack. They bombed them, went down and took the bodies of Raul Reyes and Julian Conrado, top FARC officials, as trophies to be used in the Colombian media. The rest, that were bombed while SLEEPING(because most of them were found in pajamas and sleeping clothes)(contrary to the lie the Colombian government made about they being attacked) were left there to be collected by the Ecuadorian government which also found 2 female FARC fighters wounded.

 

The gateway towards Latin America, Colombia. The Israel of South America.

 

 

Looks like everything will be okay, no invasion of any country, for now... And the good side of it is that it will awaken more Venezuelans and Ecuadorians against the puppet government of Colombia. Make them exercise militarily and strengthen their defenses.

 

"what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" (saying doesnt apply for: aspartame, fluoride, chemtrails, prozac, zoloft, and other NWO BioTerrorist weapons)

 

aren't you venezualan, juan?

[Juan Fuentes]

No im not, i told you once where i wAs from.

[lord_casek]

No im not, i told you once where i wAs from.

 

i have forgotten. it's cool, though. i was kinda wondering the mindset of hispanics with this stuff. looks like it got pretty close to some action.

[Juan Fuentes]

Close yes, the NWO love playing with fear. Not ready to attack yet.

 

Who knows if they knew where the FARC fighters were but didnt decided to attack until needed.

No one is saying that, i haven't heard it.

But the fact that HOURS before the attack, the FARC guerrillas had liberated 4 prisoners to Chavez, and the whole peace process was getting better, with the prisoners begging Uribe to take a political exit to this problem and all that shapes the public opinion differently.

These people go and murdered the FARC's fighters and do all the mediatic show with the corpses and what not, so now you have a bunch of conformist, opportunist sheep asking for more death of the "terrorists" of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, FARC.

 

 

In the long run we can predict some sort of invasion will have to take place, is the M.O.

Asking yourself where they will get the men power?

There's plenty, not the American Army though. Maybe a small part of it.

 

 

They truly are a virus spreading around us. And the illness caused by it is what today some people fight against. Fighting against the virus itself should be the priority.

[smooth bruce]

The Columbian military and para-military (as Juan has already pointed out being virtually the same) are one of the biggest terrorist groups in the world.

 

Watch the US dollars flood (even more than before) into Columbia if Columbian and Venezuelan tensions rise.

[Juan Fuentes]

Colombia comes third after the state of Israel, in funding for war.

Billions of dollars go in. The "Plan Colombia" now called "Plan Patriota"(patriot plan), to "fight" drugs by spraying fields with their herbicide that many times ended up on top of crops of farmers who wouldn't be down with the transgenic food Monsanto makes.

Many people was moved out of their lands, thousands massacred, atrocities of all kinds, by these paramilitaries paid by the Colombian oligarchy that also controls the media.

Their main channel is Caracol.

All seeing eye.

 

The owner, Julio Mario Santo Domingo, is listed in the Forbes magazine as one of the wealthiest in the world, he also owns Bavaria Brewery.

Where was the Illuminati from? Bavaria Germany.

[Guest spectr]

wow shit is seriously about to pop off down there..

Columbia is saying that farc just bought a bunch of uranium recently and trying to put a bunch of spin on this...

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this shit popped off before the end of the week...

[MayorMeanBeans]

its amazing that chavez is going to come out on top for this-

 

i tried to wikipedia diversionary theory/externalization, but nothing came up. but that is how i interpret this-

 

- chavez' reforms were rejected by his own polity, so the next best thing is to subsidize your policies elsewhere, correct (rejecting imperialism wherever it is)? when america pursues interventionary policies, not so much? avoiding ideological considerations, interventions in others' affairs are generally considered violations of sovereignties, and if you do, the weight is on you to prove your moral authority. i don't think chavez has the moral authority to tank down on colombia, although i would love to hear how a targeted assassination in ecuador gives venezuela just cause to invade colombia, UNLESS it had prior agreements with farc of mutual defense etc. if that were the case, then venezuela would be funding a cocaine trafficking, hostage taking civilian killing etc. group. no problem with that (from an amoral standpoint), but saying so is required if just cause is to be invoked regarding an attack on colombia.

 

- this dirty bomb news that came out today is bullshit imo. however, when did farc (cocaine traffickers, hostage-taking, civilian killing etc. becomes the people's champ)? all this business about colombia "ruining the betancourt deal" is kind of bullshit, because that deal has been about to go down for like 10 years, with it never being realized. all that is is diplomatic leverage for farc.

 

- fuentes you couldn't resist the illuminati connection could you haha? for those not in the know, bavaria is also famed to be among the best regions for beer in the world.

[Juan Fuentes]

The narco-government of Colombia said that they found 3 computers at the site they bombed. I would like to know who's the manufacturer, i need to get one of those laptops!

And the 50 kilos of uranium! haaaa! And they showed a picture of a green glowing rock in the news for the sheep to look, what a bunch of clowns.

The "e-mails" talking about connection with Chavez.

It's like the undercover cops, even though they try to act street you can always tell they are a bunch of nerds.

 

 

Latin America is tired of the globalists oppression and they are not going to take it.(the people not the elite)

[MayorMeanBeans]

the december referendum proves that chavez does not represent the people. i am inclined to think that the average poor person does not want war with colombia, nor does the colombian poor want war with ecuador/venezuela. what tangible purpose would war with colombia serve, except to distract venezuelens/ecuadorians from their deteriorating conditions, and the inability of their leaders to solve them? *meanwhile, colombia is on a come up, medellin is experiencing unprecedented growth check it out.

 

they (the poor) just trying ta live nah mean, and this war has more to do with demonstrating chavez' role as a regional power than anything else.

 

i agree that the laptop stuff is bullshit, however, colombia is trying to avoid war with chavez, not justify it. so that evidence is kind of on the wrong side of the fence as far as 'agression' is concerned. they are not justifying their actions retroactively with that evidence, its more of a propaganda campaign towards the supporters of farc (look at these idiots there doing uranium bombs). irresponsible most definitely, but certainly not unprecedented in wartime. as far as colombia is concerned, the death of reyes (that was his name no?) is justification enough for the raid.

 

one more thing- if uribe's govt is a 'narco-govt', what does that make farc? narco-terrorists is the american term, but i was inclined to believe that uribe's narco association was somehow absent of the fact that that sort of drug money corrupts everything and everyone.

[thecoldmidwest]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Andean_diplomatic_crisis

 

The week before the attack it was revealed that the Colombian government, with assistance of the U.S. federal government's FBI and DEA, had wiretapped several satellite phones purchased in Miami and then delivered to FARC forces in Southern Colombia.[8][9] Raul Reyes was in possession of one of these phones, and in February 27 Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called Reyes to inform that "everything has gone ok", regarding the release the same week of 3 FARC hostages that were held captive for almost 7 years. This call was detected by Colombian intelligence agencies and – probably using triangulation – the position of Reyes in Colombian soil near the border with Ecuador was determined.[10]

 

 

From wikipedia

[Stereotype V.0002]

Viktor Bout attempts to sell weapons to FARC, fails.

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2008/03/07/003.html

[Ferris Bueller]

Yeah, I caught the Bout apprehension. I wonder how that's going to turn out if he gets extradited.

[Stereotype V.0002]

If he gets extradited he will probably do 15 years or so in pelican bay or adx florence. Thats a big IF though. I imagine he has his finances in order where he won't lose much more than he already has.

[Stereotype V.0002]

Second senior Farc rebel 'killed'

Senior Farc commander Raul Reyes, file picture

Raul Reyes was killed in combat on Saturday

The Colombian security forces say they have killed another senior member of the Farc rebel group.

 

The reported death of Ivan Rios is the second blow to the left-wing guerrilla group in less than a week.

 

Last Saturday another top commander, Raul Reyes, was killed by troops in a raid just inside Ecuador.

 

He was the first member of the Farc's ruling secretariat to die in combat. The killing triggered a diplomatic row, with Ecuador denouncing the incursion.

 

Mr Rios was killed in a mountainous area of the western province of Caldas, military sources say.

 

The death came as Latin American leaders exchanged accusations at a regional summit over Saturday's cross-border raid.

 

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa attacked Colombian "aggression".

 

His Colombian counterpart, Alvaro Uribe, defended the operation, saying he had not informed the Ecuadoreans in advance because they had not co-operated in the past in the fight against the Farc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7284222.stm

[jerkspot]

borrowed from gregpalast.com

 

Do you believe this?

 

This past weekend, Colombia invaded Ecuador, killed a guerrilla chief in the jungle, opened his laptop – and what did the Colombians find? A message to Hugo Chavez that he sent the FARC guerrillas $300 million – which they’re using to obtain uranium to make a dirty bomb!

 

That’s what George Bush tells us. And he got that from his buddy, the strange right-wing President of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe.

 

So: After the fact, Colombia justifies its attempt to provoke a border war as a way to stop the threat of WMDs! Uh, where have we heard that before?

 

The US press snorted up this line about Chavez’ $300 million to “terrorists” quicker than the young Bush inhaling Colombia’s powdered export.

 

What the US press did not do is look at the evidence, the email in the magic laptop. (Presumably, the FARC leader’s last words were, “Listen, my password is ….”)

 

I read them. (You can read them here) While you can read it all in español, here is, in translation, the one and only mention of the alleged $300 million from Chavez:

 

“… With relation to the 300, which from now on we will call “dossier,” efforts are now going forward at the instructions of the boss to the cojo [slang term for ‘cripple’], which I will explain in a separate note. Let’s call the boss Ángel, and the cripple Ernesto.”

 

Got that? Where is Hugo? Where’s 300 million? And 300 what? Indeed, in context, the note is all about the hostage exchange with the FARC that Chavez was working on at the time (December 23, 2007) at the request of the Colombian government.

 

Indeed, the entire remainder of the email is all about the mechanism of the hostage exchange. Here’s the next line:

“To receive the three freed ones, Chavez proposes three options: Plan A. Do it to via of a ‘humanitarian caravan’; one that will involve Venezuela, France, the Vatican[?], Switzerland, European Union, democrats [civil society], Argentina, Red Cross, etc.”

 

As to the 300, I must note that the FARC’s previous prisoner exchange involved 300 prisoners. Is that what the ‘300’ refers to? ¿Quien sabe? Unlike Uribe, Bush and the US press, I won’t guess or make up a phastasmogoric story about Chavez mailing checks to the jungle.

 

To bolster their case, the Colombians claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that the mysterious “Angel” is the code name for Chavez. But in the memo, Chavez goes by the code name … Chavez.

 

Well, so what? This is what . . . .

Colombia’s invasion into Ecuador is a rank violation of international law, condemned by every single Latin member of the Organization of American States. But George Bush just loved it. He called Uribe to back Colombia, against, “the continuing assault by narco-terrorists as well as the provocative maneuvers by the regime in Venezuela.”

 

Well, our President may have gotten the facts ass-backward, but Bush knows what he’s doing: shoring up his last, faltering ally in South America, Uribe, a desperate man in deep political trouble.

 

Uribe claims he is going to bring charges against Chavez before the International Criminal Court. If Uribe goes there in person, I suggest he take a toothbrush: it was just discovered that right-wing death squads held murder-planning sessions at Uribe’s ranch. Uribe’s associates have been called before the nation’s Supreme Court and may face prison.

 

In other words, it’s a good time for a desperate Uribe to use that old politico’s wheeze, the threat of war, to drown out accusations of his own criminality. Furthermore, Uribe’s attack literally killed negotiations with FARC by killing FARC’s negotiator, Raul Reyes. Reyes was in talks with both Ecuador and Chavez about another prisoner exchange. Uribe authorized the negotiations. However, Uribe knew, should those talks have succeeded in obtaining the release of those kidnapped by the FARC, credit would have been heaped on Ecuador and Chavez, and discredit heaped on Uribe.

 

Luckily for a hemisphere on the verge of flames, the President of Ecuador, Raphael Correa, is one of the most level-headed, thoughtful men I’ve ever encountered.

 

Correa is now flying from Quito to Brazilia to Caracas to keep the region from blowing sky high. While moving troops to his border – no chief of state can permit foreign tanks on their sovereign soil – Correa also refuses sanctuary to the FARC . Indeed, Ecuador has routed out 47 FARC bases, a better track record than Colombia’s own, corrupt military.

 

For his cool, peaceable handling of the crisis, I will forgive Correa for apologizing for his calling Bush, “a dimwitted President who has done great damage to his country and the world.” (Watch an excerpt of my interview with Correa here.)

 

Amateur Hour in Blue

 

We can trust Correa to keep the peace South of the Border. But can we trust our Presidents-to-be?

 

The current man in the Oval Office, George Bush, simply can’t help himself: an outlaw invasion by a right-wing death-squad promoter is just fine with him.

 

But guess who couldn’t wait to parrot the Bush line? Hillary Clinton, still explaining that her vote to invade Iraq was not a vote to invade Iraq, issued a statement nearly identical to Bush’s, blessing the invasion of Ecuador as Colombia’s “right to defend itself.” And she added, “Hugo Chávez must stop these provoking actions.” Huh?

 

I assumed that Obama wouldn’t jump on this landmine – especially after he was blasted as a foreign policy amateur for suggesting he would invade across Pakistan’s border to hunt terrorists.

 

It’s embarrassing that Barack repeated Hillary’s line nearly verbatim, announcing, “the Colombian government has every right to defend itself.”

 

(I’m sure Hillary’s position wasn’t influenced by the loan of a campaign jet to her by Frank Giustra. Giustra has given over a hundred million dollars to Bill Clinton projects. Last year, Bill introduced Giustra to Colombia’s Uribe. On the spot, Giustra cut a lucrative deal with Uribe for Colombian oil.)

 

Then there’s Mr. War Hero. John McCain weighed in with his own idiocies, announcing that, “Hugo Chavez is establish[ing] a dictatorship,” presumably because, unlike George Bush, Chavez counts all the votes in Venezuelan elections.

 

But now our story gets tricky and icky.

 

The wise media critic Jeff Cohen told me to watch for the press naming McCain as a foreign policy expert and labeling the Democrats as amateurs. Sure enough, the New York Times, on the news pages Wednesday, called McCain, “a national security pro.”

 

McCain is the “pro” who said the war in Iraq would cost nearly nothing in lives or treasury dollars.

 

But, on the Colombian invasion of Ecuador, McCain said, “I hope that tensions will be relaxed, President Chavez will remove those troops from the borders - as well as the Ecuadorians - and relations continue to improve between the two.”

 

It’s not quite English, but it’s definitely not Bush. And weirdly, it’s definitely not Obama and Clinton cheerleading Colombia’s war on Ecuador.

 

Democrats, are you listening? The only thing worse than the media attacking Obama and Clinton as amateurs is the Democratic candidates’ frightening desire to prove them right.

[Juan Fuentes]

Thanks Jerkspot for that Palast report.

Still we don't have to be "experts" to make up a picture out of all this events. Though some still need their opinion.

The things are clear, where the CIA/DEA/FBI/"USA" are, there's always trouble.

 

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Yesterday's "Rio Summit" in the Dominican Republic was like water to the fire when things softened up for this "conflict". Uribe trying to hug Chavez, shaking hands with a Rafael Correa that had a priceless look on his face.

Nicaragua's president, Daniel Ortega asking to take the military ships away from the Nicaraguan-Colombian sea borders.

Uribe going all over the place trying to hug and shake hands with everyone.

He was really "alone" in that summit. So no doubt was another loss for the Globalists.

 

At the same time this summit was going on. RCN news of Colombia was reporting of the death of Ivan Rios, one of the top men of FARC.

The minister of defense said they had this information for some time, but they weren't able to announce it because forensic proves had not arrived.

They talk about his right hand, his computer, national ID, in their possession.

All this seems very weird, we would have to wait some time to know a more about this.

 

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There was also a protest against paramilitary violence in Colombia and many parts of the world. Which the Elite owned media constantly referred as just "against violence", not "against paramilitaries". And that the Colombian government didn't showed up to, none of their officials, contrary to the protest against FARC.

[jerkspot]

they are reporting that Ivan Rios was killed by his own men for the reward money. hahahahhaha

[mn1_fuckos]

Chavez= FARC

[Juan Fuentes]

[Juan Fuentes]

they are reporting that Ivan Rios was killed by his own men for the reward money. hahahahhaha

 

Yeah, RCN news had the tape of some skinny dude with a ski mask and dark shades, stating in the video that, they were a group from within the FARC that wanted to kill ALL high ranking officials.

Now this dude came out in the news without a mask, and saying that "they" are 3, him, his lover and another guy, that escaped after killing Ivan Rios, for reasons of hunger, because Rios wasn't letting them cook the food because the smoke from the fire was a call for the Colombian army to come attack. And is saying that FARC should surrender, so that means he went in the FARC for personal gain, if not he wouldn't have stated that his main incentive to kill Ivan Rios was the reward that the government was paying, and that's what he said.(If he really was in the FARC)