Stimme Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Okay on a complete serious note..... I am really sick of hearing all this, "We took their land", "We enslaved their people"...first of all, you an I didn't do SHIT!!...It's called history, fucked up shit has happened to EVERYONE'S ancestors! These Props 94-97 shouldn't have even been on the ballets. For 2 reasons....one of them some people have already stated, It is a reservation. The other reason is, this allows for the casinos to be even more corrupt then they already are, and that 'fail safe' guarantee is just completely dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Besides, casinos give jobs to a lot of people on the rez. It attracts people to actually want to come to a place that normally, nobody would go unless they are trying to stock up on cheap cigarettes. Bottom line is, native americans need to start wanting to move up in life and most of them don't even realize how easy it is. And whats fucked up is, I have relatives who tell their kids to basically go nowhere in life and just stay here on the rez and help the family out. Right. It's like when supermarkets came in. Sure they offered jobs, but they shut down mom and pops in the process. And even then, at least they're fucking audited so people are getting paid what they earned. What's that quote from No Country For Old Men? "It all comes in waves." Their parents dont want them leaving the reservation, because if this generation entirely assimilates into american life it defeats the purpose of tribes even having their own soverign nations... because the first thing you need is a tribe, which they wont have. I understand the kid's thinking tho, who wants a piece of dirt if they think they can do better for themselves? Greed, son. It's all greed. My point with this thread isn't to give a big "fuck you" to native americans for the bad hand they were given, and how they fucked up even more, because like DAO has so awe-inspiringly thought out, it's not anyone's concern what other people do but theirs.. which makes sense except that it's got nothing to do with this thread. The top 1% richest in this country have become the richest in history, while the dollars I've made are worth the least in history... and all these propositions do is make it worse. That is all. Fuck you, Californians. And DAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 if your not and indian and you dont want to support gambling, dont go. other than that fuck off it's none of your business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 What's none of my business? My state's government is none of my business? If you cant read fuck off and go watch tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 let the indians do their thing. let the state do theirs. be happy the indians give the state shit. move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 So you're saying let indian reservations and the state be run by american businessmen? Are you a cop.. or do you simply enjoy self defeating your own interests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 so your less anti-indian casino more anti-fat cat business? it changes the whole thread then, perhaps a title change then... a cop because i'm for indian casinos getting their payday? i should flip out like dawood for thst one. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 I'm not anti-casino. While vegas is still a dump, it's been cleaned up over the years, has attracted numerous other industries and in a few decades might actually expand into a place you'd actually prefer to raise a family. The same could happen with the indian reservations, except this deal only brings in more corruption, which leads to a wealthy few and doesnt return anything to the community. I'm anti-bad deals. All these propositions are is promises: promises that say if we give them absolutely no federal auditing, they promise to be true to our agreement, help out the other reservations, and pay their taxes fully, and on time. With one of the four casinos already under federal investigation, you can't even say we're giving this amazing authority to the right people. There's twenty or so other indian casinos in the states that dont get to benefit from this deal, yet we picked the richest, most powerful, and most eager to bankroll congressmen and our governer if we sign over our constitution to them. This deal is good until 2030, so we will see who benefits. We could change the title of the thread, or you could go type in the thread you think you're typing in and stop acting like you know what the fuck you're talking about. hahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Soup, if you want "economic equality", you're in the wrong country. That's called socialism. Socialism don't seem to go over too well round these parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 You're a fucking tool under the guise of a candy ass liberal douchebag. You and every other poorly educated californian dipshit can suck my balls. Bam! LMAO! You're the socialist under the guise of a candy ass conservative. And that's about as retarded and backwards as it gets. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 There's a difference between economic equality, and fairness in the marketplace dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Fuck you, Californians. And DAO. [ATTACH]80376.vB[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Are you going to tell me that vegas is a sprawling landscape of hope and economic equality? There's a difference between economic equality, and fairness in the marketplace dumbass. ^Word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 if your not and indian and you dont want to support gambling, dont go. other than that fuck off it's none of your business. ^Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 What's none of my business? My state's government is none of my business? If you cant read fuck off and go watch tv. Your state? You live on an Indian reservation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 So you're saying let indian reservations and the state be run by american businessmen? Are you a cop.. or do you simply enjoy self defeating your own interests? Are you 12? Are you seriously just now figuring out the facts of life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 How the fuck can you read "Are you going to tell me that vegas is a sprawling landscape of hope and economic equality?" and jump to the conclusion that I'm saying that's what I want? Even with you reading it out of context of the paragraph, I'm still not saying "I want economic equality." I'm asking a question, as notated by the symbol "?" You wonder why you piss people off, it's because they feel like they're arguing with someone who's not familiar with the english language. Are you on shrooms? Are the words moving too fast for you to read them? What the fuck kind of problem do you have in your brain that makes it so you can't comprehend full sentences? And no, saying I want "fairness in the marketplace" and asking if "Vegas is a sprawling landscape of hope and ecoomic equality" is not being hypocratic. Dude lay off the peyote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatetown Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 By the way, if the casino is on the reservation, its not owned by "white people". Its actually ran by the tribe itself And unfortunately for the tribe I'm from, we are going broke because of stupid investments like a party cruise ship in Cancun. Sigh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 It's owned by couple rich native americans, and controlled by american businessmen. Are you going to be apart of the actual conversation, or be like DAO and just hold one on your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatetown Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 You're an idiot. I love people who try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about even though I have family who talk about the very politics you're trying to talk about. I hear about it everyday kid. I don't know about the reservations in California, but where I'm from, theres no "american businessmen" running the show. Its soley the tribes. But wahtever, I'm beginning to notice the level of ignorance and stupidity has risen a whole lot on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 If you want to hold a conversation you better watch what you say: Don't misquote me, then when I call you on it call me an idiot. Don't say I don't know what I'm talking about when I'm telling you the operations of california casinos, then say you dont know anything about california reservations. You see the hypocracy here? If you see ignorance and stupidity in this thread, its your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatetown Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Wow. CASINOS ON RESERVATIONS ARE OWNED BY THE TRIBES. THE ONLY "AMERICANS" (WHATEVER THE FUCK THAT MEANS..I'M GUESSING YOU MEAN WHITE PEOPLE) THAT ARE EVEN ANYWHERE REMOTELY INVOLVED ARE THE SUITS. Period, End O' Story. If any decisions were made, it was the tribe's decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 How the fuck can you read "Are you going to tell me that vegas is a sprawling landscape of hope and economic equality?" and jump to the conclusion that I'm saying that's what I want? Even with you reading it out of context of the paragraph, I'm still not saying "I want economic equality." I'm asking a question, as notated by the symbol "?" You wonder why you piss people off, it's because they feel like they're arguing with someone who's not familiar with the english language. Are you on shrooms? Are the words moving too fast for you to read them? What the fuck kind of problem do you have in your brain that makes it so you can't comprehend full sentences? And no, saying I want "fairness in the marketplace" and asking if "Vegas is a sprawling landscape of hope and ecoomic equality" is not being hypocratic. Dude lay off the peyote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wI6uAOHzvo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 If you want to hold a conversation you better watch what you say: Don't misquote me, then when I call you on it call me an idiot. Don't say I don't know what I'm talking about when I'm telling you the operations of california casinos, then say you dont know anything about california reservations. You see the hypocracy here? If you see ignorance and stupidity in this thread, its your own. You just said that you're speaking on "california casinos" when this whole topic is about them supposedly being legalized on Indian reservations (am I right?). 1. you don't know shit about something that doesn't even exist in your state yet. 2. You're not an Indian and therefore don't live on a reservation. At least Peyote has fam that live on reservations. Reservations that have casinos at that. I'm thinking that he probably knows alot more on the subject than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatetown Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Wait, so casinos on reservations in Cali aren't legal? Why the fuck not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Sorry by "Americans" i mean "Americans who have no dual citizenship with a soverign nation of a native american tribe." There's no difference between "suits" and "businessmen." You're arguing over which word to use when reffering to financial advisors, legal advisors, PR, lobbists, congressmen, and everyone not of tribal descent but still gets a cut... why? Because you're connected to a reservation and I'm not, so I obviously have to be wrong somewhere... if anything in my diction for using "american businessmen" instead of "american suits?" The tribe's decision? You mean the tribe members who haven't been disenrolled from the reservation, right? Or not even that, because of the four reservations this thread is about, the Pechanga have scruitinized their own gaming commission for being corrupt and "soiling the good name of the Pechanga." For doing things like bribing Cruz Bustamonte with $4 million to pass these gaming propositions when they dont want any more gaming. they also voted to stop all disenrollment from the tribes, however they continue to do so. Get off your high fucking horse there dude. You said it yourself, you dont know anything about california reservations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 You just said that you're speaking on "california casinos" when this whole topic is about them supposedly being legalized on Indian reservations (am I right?). No. You're so fucking wrong it's retarded to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Soup, just admit that this is a failed attempt at hating on the Injuns hustle. Seriously. You failed. It's time for YOU to get off your high horse and off these niggas dicks already. What they eat dont make you shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatetown Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Sorry by "Americans" i mean "Americans who have no dual citizenship with a soverign nation of a native american tribe." There's no difference between "suits" and "businessmen." You're arguing over which word to use when reffering to financial advisors, legal advisors, PR, lobbists, congressmen, and everyone not of tribal descent but still gets a cut... why? Because you're connected to a reservation and I'm not, so I obviously have to be wrong somewhere... if anything in my diction for using "american businessmen" instead of "american suits?" The tribe's decision? You mean the tribe members who haven't been disenrolled from the reservation, right? Or not even that, because of the four reservations this thread is about, the Pechanga have scruitinized their own gaming commission for being corrupt and "soiling the good name of the Pechanga." For doing things like bribing Cruz Bustamonte with $4 million to pass these gaming propositions when they dont want any more gaming. they also voted to stop all disenrollment from the tribes, however they continue to do so. Get off your high fucking horse there dude. You said it yourself, you dont know anything about california reservations. Businessmen are suits. And who cares. Let them do their own thing. If they make stupid decision and fuck up, then why do you care? This doesn't even effect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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