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Which aspect to discuss?  People have made their own firearms for as long as they've existed, this just makes it easier for those without knowledge to do it too, follows many other trends in the world.  Somewhat of a guitar hero for gunsmithing?  

Curious thought that this makes a functional weapon, but in terms of being practical these can't be the type of thing that you put 1000s of rounds through.

I do admire anyone who takes on the government on legal standpoints and wins.  But I also hear a Principal Skinner voice saying 'that gentleman just bought himself a lifetime of governement monitoring!'

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Im thinking double action. Looking at CZ now. going to the range soon to feel the ergonomics. ih8juggaloes (irl friend on here) is very pleased with a walther he picked up a while back. 

Been too many stories recently locally that have prompted me to get a home defense weapon at the very least. 

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HK vp9 looks pretty slick as well. Long time shooters recommend 9/10 times a revolver or glock for reliability and ease of use under duress. 

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On 7/17/2018 at 9:17 AM, misteraven said:

Just got this in a general news / current events email I get.

 

Okay, now discuss....

Starting August 1, you can 3D print a gun

Last week, the Department of Justice made it legal to produce guns with a 3D printer in a settlement with gun-printing startup Defense Distributed.

The ruling is the result of multi-year crusade spearheaded by gun-rights evangelist Cody Wilson and allows Defense Distributed to post detailed blueprints for ‘ghost guns’ -- which are untraceable, unregistered, and DIY for anyone with access to a 3D printer.

The rise of ‘wiki-weapons’

Cody Wilson (creator of hate-based crowdfunding platform Hatreon and one of the perennial “most dangerous people on the internet”) founded Defense Distributed in 2012 to make homemade weapons available to all.

But, after DD’s ‘Wiki Weapon Project’ spat out its first functional firearm, The Liberator, in 2013, the Justice Department forced Wilson to remove the gun’s blueprints from the internet, invoking a gun export law.

Wilson, being the radical libertarian/crypto-anarchist he is, decided to appeal the State Department’s ban in court.

New technology, old amendment

Wilson argued that posting digital blueprints of automatic weapons online was simply an expression of his First Amendment right of free speech -- and the Department of Justice ruled in his favor.

Now, thanks to improved  3D-printing technology and this new law, turning digital schematics into actual guns requires only an internet connection and a 3D printer. For DIY gun lovers without 3D printers, Defense Distributed produces a specialized machine called the Ghost Gunner.

Ghost guns: Coming to a garage printer near you

After winning the settlement, Defense Distributed relaunched its comprehensive gun encyclopedia, DEFCAD, which features guns ranging from AR-15s to Berettas. The website is open for uploads and will allow for downloads starting in August.

To reduce the number of mass shootings in America (where gun deaths are 25x higher than other high-income countries), politicians are debating ways to control gun ownership. 

Suggestions range from background checks, bans on assault weapons, minimum age requirements, and ‘red flag’ warning systems -- all of which are impossible if anonymous gunsmiths can download and print untraceable guns in their garages.

 

 

 

jumping in for a quick drive-by, but i think 3D is going to be the future....

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At least until they have that shit from star trek where your micro wave just creates what you ask it out if thin air. 

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I think 3D is cool for making prototype parts in a pinch or making adjustments before production, but how durable is the material? I wouldn't trust that shit for a second, I've seen guns get their actions mangled from hot loads (no homo) at the range. To be honest if you want a ghost gun just buy a throwaway piece and shave the serial number off.

 

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Yeah, the tech isn’t there quite yet, but it’s inevitable. It’s likely an easy solution to deal with, though like all else, there’s work arounds.

 

For drones, they have a chip that keeps it from flying into regulated air space like airports. For scanners, they have some shit that blocks you from scanning currency. This will be more of the same. 

 

For now the tech is new, so it’s possible to print one out. From what I’ve seen, it’s a single use weapon, but does work. For the most part, it’s more of a plastic zip gun than anything resembling a true firearm. 

 

But handmade guns guns can be amazing. In fact, some of the best 1911s I’ve heard of are literally custom made, one at a time. I think the real issue with “ghost guns” is more about the quality of the tooling and the experience of the user making it (or lack thereof). Would love to get into it myself, but have too much on my plate as is and if I was going to do it, I’d ensure I had the right tools, which no doubt cost far more than I can throw at it. Just don’t have the time or money for a hobby that deep. That said, I do reload ammo though. Anyone else into that?

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Here’s a company that’s basically one guy doing home made builds that turned into a custom brand that now grew into a full on company. 

 

Was told by someone particularly qualified that’s he’s probably in the top 2 or 3 best 1911 makers in the world. 

 

 

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So the gun rabbithole is dangerous to my wallet. Putting the idea on ice until savings look healthy. 

Still havent been to range to try out the assorted pistols 

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34 minutes ago, +plus+ said:

So the gun rabbithole is dangerous to my wallet. Putting the idea on ice until savings look healthy. 

Still havent been to range to try out the assorted pistols 

At least it’s a good investment. Price of bullets went up more than gold or silver in the last decade. And most my guns are worth more now than when I bought them. No doubt they’ll be worth a shit ton more if someone like HRC gets into office next. 

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5 hours ago, misteraven said:

At least it’s a good investment. Price of bullets went up more than gold or silver in the last decade. And most my guns are worth more now than when I bought them. No doubt they’ll be worth a shit ton more if someone like HRC gets into office next. 

Did not know this. Good to know. HRC though? That'll be a cold day in hell.  OT but even her own party wants her to take along walk off a short pier. Someone like her i could see though.

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Beautiful. You may be changing my tune to the glock.

Which is your favorite to shoot?

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10 minutes ago, +plus+ said:

Beautiful. You may be changing my tune to the glock.

Which is your favorite to shoot?

I shoot my 19 the most because I conceal carry it everyday. The 17 is for my full load out. 

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going to shamelessly post my primary G17 in response to the "Beautiful. You may be changing my tune to the glock." comment.

 

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On 7/23/2018 at 11:53 AM, +plus+ said:

So the gun rabbithole is dangerous to my wallet. Putting the idea on ice until savings look healthy. 

Still havent been to range to try out the assorted pistols 

Check out the Used Market. Gun guys always selling stuff to buy up to something else.  Lots of excellent condition weapons for great prices.

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dumb question and I can;t google on work computer (I really shouldnt be on here but that ship has sailed) 

Is that all in person, I am assuming not online? 

 

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5 minutes ago, +plus+ said:

dumb question and I can;t google on work computer (I really shouldnt be on here but that ship has sailed) 

Is that all in person, I am assuming not online? 

 

i'd say 50/50.  Lots of private sales in AZ. (Be sure to check your local laws.) . But Pawn Shops and practically all Gun Shops have a Used shelf, and they could probably track down something specific for you as well.

 

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