Vote Ron Paul for president you beezies.

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

American politics is a fucking sad joke. We should have impeached Bush and Cheney the minute the shit hit the fan in Iraq. Going to war was against the wishes of the international community, it was illegal, and it clearly benefitted a lot of people on his staff with ties to corporations that would profit from the war.

 

It's not too late, except for all the people that died. I think the two of them should go up on charges of war crimes and profiteering.

 

 

 

 

 

^COSIGN!

[the.crooked]

Nothing will happen to them.

 

 

But you are right, its a sad joke. Thus the lack of voting for me.

[Blood Feast Island Man]

 

he looks too much like father jack to be president.

[fermentor666]

We should have impeached Bush and Cheney the minute they exposed a CIA agent working undercover. We have a word for that, and it's called "treason". It is punishable by death in this country. And yet, somehow Libby got a pardon by Bush. Most corrupt administration in the history of this now godforsaken country.

[LIVERWURST*]

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296

[lord_casek]

he's not for decriminalizing marijuana and other narcotics. he's for keeping the fucking fed govt out of our business. let the states decide.

 

 

most people are for that.

 

he's also pro-constitution. liberty is a big gift to offer, and Dr. Paul has it.

[the.crooked]

he isn't just pro constitution, he is a staunch constitutionalist.

 

 

to a ridiculous degree.

[lord_casek]

he isn't just pro constitution, he is a staunch constitutionalist.

 

 

to a ridiculous degree.

 

 

ridiculous? are you serious? man, this country was founded on the back of the constitution.

that is the most important document we have. the most perfect way to have a government in the history of the world.

 

now that it is being trampled on, no one wants to come here. we aren't held in the light of freedom any more. don't you want that back?

 

don't you want people to think "oh! you're an american!" and have a respect for you?

 

instead they might just spit on you with our present leaders.

[lord_casek]

amazing speech on who has taken over our country

on the floor of congress by dr. paul.

 

 

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4156174553630131591&q=neo+conned%21&total=1226&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[the.crooked]

ridiculous? are you serious? man, this country was founded on the back of the constitution.

that is the most important document we have. the most perfect way to have a government in the history of the world.

 

now that it is being trampled on, no one wants to come here. we aren't held in the light of freedom any more. don't you want that back?

 

don't you want people to think "oh! you're an american!" and have a respect for you?

 

instead they might just spit on you with our present leaders.

 

What I am saying is that the tenets of the document taken so literally as he does can not effectively govern at this point in time.

 

I feel like this argument has been hashed out before by us in crossfire.

[lord_casek]

yeah, it has, we can just keep it there and let these folks discuss ron if it's all good with you?

[LIVERWURST*]

1) He votes anti-abortion. On the flip side, once those kids are born, he also votes against head start and against health care for children.

 

2) He votes against incentives for clean tech, but seems to support oil drilling pretty much anywhere - can someone explain this to me?

 

3) He votes against stem cell research from what I can tell - sounds like his support of the market place and individual/states rights is limited to things he doesn't care about. Am I wrong here, can someone explain this one?

[the.crooked]

yeah, it has, we can just keep it there and let these folks discuss ron if it's all good with you?

 

yup.

[the.crooked]

what does it say of us that we have argued enough that we know when and where to cut it off for fear of boring other's with already covered ground.

[lord_casek]

what does it say of us that we have argued enough that we know when and where to cut it off for fear of boring other's with already covered ground.

 

 

that we aren't stereotype v.02?

[the.crooked]

haha.

 

 

oh that was a good one.

 

i lolerd.

[lord_casek]

1) He votes anti-abortion. On the flip side, once those kids are born, he also votes against head start and against health care for children.

 

2) He votes against incentives for clean tech, but seems to support oil drilling pretty much anywhere - can someone explain this to me?

 

3) He votes against stem cell research from what I can tell - sounds like his support of the market place and individual/states rights is limited to things he doesn't care about. Am I wrong here, can someone explain this one?

 

 

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

 

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

[lord_casek]

just thought i'd let you know that there's a contest for ron paul vids.

$2000 grand prize

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=867

[Spitfire15]

WOAHHH BRO. HES, LIKE, SO FAR LEGALIZING WEED. BRO, OH MY GOD DUDE, WE SHOULD SO VOTE FOR THIS GUY. FUCK THIS OTHER GUYS VEIWS. HE MIGHT FUCK THE WHOLE COUNTRY OVER, BUT SERIOUSLY, WE CAN JUST SIT AROUND AND SMOKE LEGAL MARY J. I DONT GIVE A FUCK.

 

You people are fucking retards. I swear to god.

[lord_casek]

wow, spitfire, i've seen you be a dumbass before, but never like this.

 

ron paul is not for legalizing weed. he's for leaving it up to the states.

he just wants the federal government to stay out of peoples lives and choices.

 

same with abortion. he's not for making it illegal, he just wants the states to decide

[Spitfire15]

Thats not what im saying. Im saying the only reason half the people who want to vote for him is that he wants legalize drugs. Beyond that they dont really look for other things. As long as everyone gets to smoke their legal weed. I usually look for a few good reasons rather than one gay one.

[lord_casek]

Thats not what im saying. Im saying the only reason half the people who want to vote for him is that he wants legalize drugs. Beyond that they dont really look for other things. As long as everyone gets to smoke their legal weed. I usually look for a few good reasons rather than one gay one.

 

 

understood. you see, i like my herb, but that is no way the reason i am voting for Dr. Paul.

i just want our great nation back. i want to walk down the street without being filmed more than 200 times in a day, i want to be able to say that i live in the united states of america, the greatest nation on the planet....but i can't right now. i can only say, "i'm from the u.s. and i'm very sorry for what our country did to yours."

[angelofdeath]

"

Ron Paul will never win, and if he did this country would break up and become 51 new countries. Abolish the IRS and you abolish public education, welfare, social security, NASA, and a whole bunch of other things. Plus he is pro-life. The only thing I can stomach about this guy is his willingness to accept the fact that when it came to 9/11, we were asking for it.

 

sounds like a great list of reasons to vote for him!

 

its pretty simple, if you dont vote ron paul you simply do not cherish freedom, do not believe in anything this country was founded on, and are a statist bedwetter who believes that the government should take care of everyone and everything from cradle to grave. it means you have no sense of personal responsibility and a deep hatred for God given rights. ron paul haters actually have no faith whatsoever in human action and in the end always believe in the total omnipotent state. they have this hobbesian notion that without a gigantic leviathan police state that everyone would kill each other, or starve to death and poor minority kids would all be extinct because some evil hearted conservative or libertarian voted against funding some bureaucratic socialist scheme to get votes by promising to fix problems they, themselves, created.

 

give me liberty or give me death.

[En Sabah Nur]

mandatory post:

 

[En Sabah Nur]

i don't like any of the candidates. i'm seriously considering voting for my favorite write-in candidate to be the first female, immigrant president:

 

 

 

 

 

she'll know what to do with/to america.

[T ReXXX]

Legalizing Marijuana and decriminalizing narcotics doesn't just benefit people who 'like to live life on the edge'.

 

If marijuana or other drugs are legalized they will be able to be sold commercially at a lower price; ultimately, cutting down on crime.

 

 

The only real argument for legalizing any drug is to make it taxable. To say that it would lower crime is bullshit. It would just change the kind of crimes that were being focused on. There would most definately be an age requirement to purchase/use it...and we all see what happened with that and alcohal.. So just in the usage...you are creating another law that will inevitably be broken...there would be a signifigant amount of dealing to underage kids and the fact that it is so readily accesible would make it far easier to aquire.

 

Also...having drugs at a lower price gives lets people use more of them...which is good for all you potheads out there, but i believe that it is progressive. Whats to say that when weed is legal they wont move on to shrooms and then eventually narcotics and stuff. And with the lower price means people would be using more of them...which in turn could lead to more ODs...amung other thing.

 

I dunno. I think that Ron Paul has some pretty decent ideals and ideas...but the country will never go for it. And as far as his campaign goes...he is targeting the wrong group of people.

 

...and its not even worth voting in the presidential election becasue our votes dont count. The electorial college takes away our say. There is nothing that binds them to vote the way the state wanted to. Why even bother to count the popular vote if it not going to prove who wins? It seems silly to me. Local politics however..i feel it is important to vote in because your one vote actually may do something.

 

Soo yea..theres my rant. Enjoy.

[T ReXXX]

"

Ron Paul will never win, and if he did this country would break up and become 51 new countries. Abolish the IRS and you abolish public education, welfare, social security, NASA, and a whole bunch of other things. Plus he is pro-life. The only thing I can stomach about this guy is his willingness to accept the fact that when it came to 9/11, we were asking for it.

 

give me liberty or give me death.

 

Well said.

[After School Special]

T ReXXX, you are a fine example of why I don't engage in political discourse here.

[T ReXXX]

T ReXXX, you are a fine example of why I don't engage in political discourse here.

 

Yea..that is probably the best way to go.

[angelofdeath]

"

The only real argument for legalizing any drug is to make it taxable. To say that it would lower crime is bullshit. It would just change the kind of crimes that were being focused on. There would most definately be an age requirement to purchase/use it...and we all see what happened with that and alcohal.. So just in the usage...you are creating another law that will inevitably be broken...there would be a signifigant amount of dealing to underage kids and the fact that it is so readily accesible would make it far easier to aquire.

 

Also...having drugs at a lower price gives lets people use more of them...which is good for all you potheads out there, but i believe that it is progressive. Whats to say that when weed is legal they wont move on to shrooms and then eventually narcotics and stuff. And with the lower price means people would be using more of them...which in turn could lead to more ODs...amung other thing."

 

to me, the taxation argument is the only compelling reason not to legalize drugs. and this is coming from someone who has never drank or done drugs in his life and thinks people that do are idiots but its their own bodies and they can do what they want. why let them tax one more damn thing and blow the money on failure?

 

for what its worth, ron paul is against the federal drug war. no constitutional authorization for drug prohibition or nation wide legalization to be found.

 

drug legalization would lower crime and not merely by decriminalizing the act of drug use itself. the prohibition is what has caused all the drug crimes to begin with. you have people who are addicted to drugs, they are fighting over the dopest street selling corners, they are killing innocent bystanders, killing other drug dealers. look, it is simple economics. if the prohibit something, you create and instantaneous black market. in the case of drugs, it has high demand. and with it being illegal it has a relatively low supply than what it would if it was legal. what you have is people who are willing to risk the high return, (drug dealers) to satisfy their customers. and the drug war its self actually promotes its continuation because every time someone is caught it limits the supply even further driving prices up higher, which increases profits and lures more people and capital into the market to have a go at making a huge chunk of change. so by the drug war its self being effective, it is making the problem worse.

 

with a black market you dont have legal recourse. if someone makes bad batch of drugs, you cant go to court and sue them. if someone steals your drugs, you have to go shoot the guy yourself instead of resorting to legal methods. that is what happened during the depression. all sorts of bath tub gin started floating around and messing people up. that is because of no brand names and legal recourse against bad products.

 

not only what i said above, but if drugs were legalized the supply would increase. prices would fall. then you would have addicts who can suddenly more properly afford their 'necessity.' you have alcoholics on the streets. they are as bad drug addicts but much more harmless. the addicts are worse because they have to resort to crime to satisfy their habit because it is too expensive because of the prohibition.

 

during national alcohol prohibition, gangsters were mowing each other down in the alcohol trade. they legalized the substance, and a couple decades later the whole country was hooked on drugs and the same thing started happening to drugs. you dont see miller lite and budweiser truck drivers shooting each other now over turf do you? are alcoholics robbing people to finance their beer habit the way they rob people for crack money?

 

but lets imagine. if the drug war was ended on the federal level and the .gov withdrew its jurisdiction from it, states and localities would have their own laws. they would soon find out that the places with increased drug laws would have high crime. and the reverse would be the case in areas with less draconian prohibitions. if states with no drug laws came about, the crime rate would plummet in areas where drug use was high, it would free up thousands and thousands of people who went to jail because they put a substance in their own body and would free these people from imprisonment for a 'crime' in which no victim was involved. it would then allow the prison system to be used to punish violent offenders, such as murderers rapists and robbers. all crimes against people and property. the only just function of the law.

 

but what it boils down to for me is the hypocrisy of this drug war philosophy and that of the democratic ethos they pretend to support. if you trust someone to vote at the age of 18, why cant you 'trust' someone to decide what to put into their own bodies? the only time that drug users should be sentenced to justice is if they commit a crime against someone's life or property. but, guess what? that stuff is already legal, whether you are high, sober, mentally insane or on no substance at all.