DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 all of you shitting on columbus are a bunch of hypocrites. columbus was the man. what he did was fucking epic. he sailed three ships into the unknown in a time when most europeans thought the world was flat. going on a new theory hoping to find a new way to get to india while risking falling off the face of the earth. that takes some real rocks. ^REAL TALK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 So would you call the black death a "genocide" too? More than 90% of natives in the new world died from diseases such as smallpox and cholera. People overlook this fact way too much. Not to say colonists weren't shady, but genocide is a misleading term. They didn't just come out here and murder everyone. And don't bring up the smallpox blanket argument. Dunno what I think about Columbus. If he hadn't done what he did someone else would have. In the times before "settlers", Columbus and the men brought over following his discovery did horrible things in the Caribbean. The book referenced earlier by Zinn outlines the atrocities, but as an example, they used native peoples to test the sharpness of blades because they were seen as that disposable and inhuman. The blankets and stuff happened significantly later and in a different region affecting a different people and done by a different group of murderers. National Geographic also did a story on it you can look up if you're so inclined. You won't. /No Cross Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Maybe someone less murderous. How the fuck was he "murderous"? Please explain. This is what I mean by you people being stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 but as an example, they used native peoples to test the sharpness of blades because they were seen as that disposable and inhuman. That sounds like bullshit. Who wrote the book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 ^Fool, who are you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn Education: B.A., New York University, 1951. M.A. and Ph.D., Columbia University, 1952, 1958. Post-doctoral Fellow, Harvard University, 1960-61. Early career: Professor of History, Spelman College, Atlanta, Ga. 1956-1963. Professor of Political Science, Boston University, 1964-1988. Military Service: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army Air Corps, Bombardier, flew combat missions in Europe, 1943-45. Books Artists in Times of War (2003) ISBN 1-58322-602-8 The Cold War & the University: Toward an Intellectual History of the Postwar Years (Noam Chomsky (Editor) Authors: Ira Katznelson[26], R. C. Lewontin, David Montgomery, Laura Nader, Richard Ohmann[27], Ray Siever, Immanuel Wallerstein, Howard Zinn (1997) ISBN 1-56584-005-4 Declarations of Independence: Cross-Examining American Ideology (1991) ISBN 0-06-092108-0 [28] Disobedience and Democracy: Nine Fallacies on Law and Order (1968, re-issued 2002) ISBN 0-89608-675-5 Emma: A Play in Two Acts About Emma Goldman, American Anarchist (2002) ISBN 0-89608-664-X Failure to Quit: Reflections of an Optimistic Historian (1993) ISBN 0-89608-676-3 The Future of History: Interviews With David Barsamian (1999) ISBN 1-56751-157-0 Hiroshima: Breaking the Silence (pamphlet, 1995) ISBN 1-884519-14-8 Howard Zinn On Democratic Education Donaldo Macedo, Editor (2004) ISBN 1-59451-054-7 Howard Zinn on History (2000) ISBN 1-58322-048-8 Howard Zinn on War (2000) ISBN 1-58322-049-6 Justice in Everyday Life: The Way It Really Works (Editor) (1974) ISBN 0-89608-677-1 Justice? Eyewitness Accounts (1977) ISBN 0-8070-4479-2 La Otra Historia De Los Estados Unidos (2000) ISBN 1-58322-054-2 LaGuardia in Congress (1959) ISBN 0-8371-6434-6, ISBN 0-393-00488-0 Marx in Soho: A Play on History (1999) ISBN 0-89608-593-7 New Deal Thought (editor) (1965) ISBN 0-87220-685-8 Passionate Declarations: Essays on War and Justice (2003) ISBN 0-06-055767-2 The Pentagon Papers Senator Gravel Edition. Vol. Five. Critical Essays. Boston. Beacon Press, 1972. 341p. plus 72p. of Index to Vol. I-IV of the Papers, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, editors A People's History of the Civil War: Struggles for the Meaning of Freedom by David Williams, Howard Zinn (Series Editor) (2005) ISBN 1-59558-018-2 A People's History of the United States: 1492 – Present (1980), revised (1995)(1998)(1999)(2003) ISBN 0-06-052837-0 A People's History of the United States: Teaching Edition Abridged (2003 updated) ISBN 1-56584-826-8 A People's History of the United States: The Civil War to the Present Kathy Emery Ellen Reeves Howard Zinn (2003 teaching edition) ISBN 1-56584-725-3 A People's History of the United States: The Wall Charts by Howard Zinn and George Kirschner (1995) ISBN 1-56584-171-9 The People Speak: American Voices, Some Famous, Some Little Known (2004) ISBN 0-06-057826-2 Playbook by Maxine Klein, Lydia Sargent and Howard Zinn (1986) ISBN 0-89608-309-8 The Politics of History (1970) (2nd edition 1990) ISBN 0-252-06122-5 Postwar America: 1945 – 1971 (1973) ISBN 0-89608-678-X A Power Governments Cannot Suppress (2006) ISBN 978-0872864757 The Power of Nonviolence: Writings by Advocates of Peace Editor (2002) ISBN 0-8070-1407-9 SNCC: The New Abolitionists (1964) ISBN 0-89608-679-8 The Southern Mystique (1962) ISBN 0-89608-680-1 Terrorism and War (2002) ISBN 1-58322-493-9 (interviews, Anthony Arnove (Ed.)) The Twentieth Century: A People's History (2003) ISBN 0-06-053034-0 Three Strikes: Miners, Musicians, Salesgirls, and the Fighting Spirit of Labor's Last Century (Dana Frank, Robin Kelley, and Howard Zinn) (2002) ISBN 0-8070-5013-X Vietnam: The Logic of Withdrawal (1967) ISBN 0-89608-681-X Voices of a People’s History of the United States (with Anthony Arnove, 2004) ISBN 1-58322-647-8 You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times (1994) ISBN 0-8070-7127-7 A Young People's History of the United States, adapted from the original text by Rebecca Stefoff; illustrated and updated through 2006, with new introduction and afterward by Howard Zinn; two volumes, Seven Stories Press, New York, 2007. Vol. 1: Columbus to the Spanish-American War. ISBN 978-1-58322-759-6 Vol. 2: Class Struggle to the War on Terror. ISBN 978-1-58322-760-2 [*]The Zinn Reader: Writings on Disobedience and Democracy (1997) ISBN 1-888363-54-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Still calling bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 YOU WIN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_1nR Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Drug tests on the mummies showed they used cocaine... That explains the mystery of the pyramids.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILONE/SK Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Not only do I get a day off every year because of this guy, without him America would not be what it is today without him, good or bad. BTW, I am not saying he discovered America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 do you have some links or some references? im interested Drug tests reveal cocaine and nicotine which only grew in western hemisphere: Here is one example but more tests have been done on other mummies with similar results. http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/Misc/mummies.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcasm Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 thank ya kindly, sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module X Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 In the times before "settlers", Columbus and the men brought over following his discovery did horrible things in the Caribbean. The book referenced earlier by Zinn outlines the atrocities, but as an example, they used native peoples to test the sharpness of blades because they were seen as that disposable and inhuman. The blankets and stuff happened significantly later and in a different region affecting a different people and done by a different group of murderers. National Geographic also did a story on it you can look up if you're so inclined. You won't. /No Cross Fire This is perfectly within what I was saying. I was looking at the big picture. Like I said, colonists were often fucked up. I don't disagree. I just think "genocide" is a gross exaggeration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Drug tests reveal cocaine and nicotine which only grew in western hemisphere: Here is one example but more tests have been done on other mummies with similar results. http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/Misc/mummies.htm coca leaves are chewed by natives as a stimulant it provides a cure for altitude sickness as well as provide energy it wasnt until the WHITE MAN started experimenting and synthesized cocaine that it became a hard drug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 and why the sphynx nose fell off line of the century. [/no pun] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4M* Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dont matter, still didnt get off work and my bank was closed and had skool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Columbus circle has only one good thing, a Bose store, that is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 all of you shitting on columbus are a bunch of hypocrites. columbus was the man. what he did was fucking epic. he sailed three ships into the unknown in a time when most europeans thought the world was flat. going on a new theory hoping to find a new way to get to india while risking falling off the face of the earth. that takes some real rocks. All he had to do was ask the muslims, they knew the earth is round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SADDAM HUSSEIN Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 they're also saying that the developement of language and culture is too old to have bread out of chinese crossing he ice-bridge i was speaking of the native americas/indians as for mexico being a trading ground.. it was... there arethese statues that were a part of a burial ritual... these statues had real human hair.. hair from asians to polynesians were found in mexico a long with many other cultures. how do you think they got pyrimids in mexico?? some motherfuckers from egypt were travelling this world isnt that big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blart.BOS Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 i love columbus because i get the day off, fuck the rest of you who had work and shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26VALENCIA Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Columbus day is bullshit..not ONLY did i have work, but later that day i needed to pull out $1000 and all the banks were closed. i ended up having to run to three different banks and max out on ATM withdrawals, shit was really inconvenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatetown Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 get a debit card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 All he had to do was ask the muslims, they knew the earth is round. so did the Jews and the Asians (more accurately the Chinese). Theres is also evidence that suggests that the Aztec and Mayans may have known too but he couldn't have asked them. The Europeans were a little behind the times because of the churches aversion to (what was then) modern science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{OneSevenNine.com} Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I actually wrote a high school paper several years ago on the trade currents that run from Africa to Mexico and then to the Polynesian Islands. If you are down, hit me up, Ill forward it to you. "Two of the major currents that exist in the Atlantic Ocean are the Equatorial Guinea Current and North Equatorial Canary Current. The Equatorial Guinea Current runs from southern Africa into the Gulf of Mexico and continues north forking off into several other currents. The North Equatorial Canary Current also ends in the gulf, but its origins begin along the North African coast and the coast of Spain and Portugal. Both of these currents are very interchangeable, meaning that at some point in travel these two currents meet and continue in an ongoing circle. It is also nearly imposable to break free from these powerful currents once a vessel has contact without the use of a motor." Sources Ivan Van Sertima, They came Before Columbus Harold G. Lawrence, African Explorers of the New World Thor Heyerhdahl, Kon-Tiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLEZO1SON Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 get a debit card Thats what the injuns did. wit the casino $s and yo did anyone even read the artical on the first post? it seems like this thread turned into " can a farce get you money or out of school". if columbus can have a day why cant the savages that were here have one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILONE/SK Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 ^ they already have a nike just for them (I saw it a few days ago here) what else do they need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 THEY DO HAVE A DAY. ITS THE 4TH FRIDAY OF SEPTEMBER EVERY F'N YEAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SADDAM HUSSEIN Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I actually wrote a high school paper several years ago on the trade currents that run from Africa to Mexico and then to the Polynesian Islands. If you are down, hit me up, Ill forward it to you. "Two of the major currents that exist in the Atlantic Ocean are the Equatorial Guinea Current and North Equatorial Canary Current. The Equatorial Guinea Current runs from southern Africa into the Gulf of Mexico and continues north forking off into several other currents. The North Equatorial Canary Current also ends in the gulf, but its origins begin along the North African coast and the coast of Spain and Portugal. Both of these currents are very interchangeable, meaning that at some point in travel these two currents meet and continue in an ongoing circle. It is also nearly imposable to break free from these powerful currents once a vessel has contact without the use of a motor." Sources Ivan Van Sertima, They came Before Columbus Harold G. Lawrence, African Explorers of the New World Thor Heyerhdahl, Kon-Tiki pwned!! you drunkenasshole whatever the fuck your name is but yeah.. send me some info on that one.. i've been intrigued for a while on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 pwned!! you drunkenasshole whatever the fuck your name is but yeah.. send me some info on that one.. i've been intrigued for a while on that How so? What the fuck does that have to do with what I said? People are fucking stupid. All Columbus did was find the shit. He aint have nothing to do with the colonization and wars with the natives other than him and his peeps defending themselves. And he sure as fuck didn't have anything to do with the slave trade. Blaming Columbus for slavery or killing off the natives is like blameing George Washington for Vietnam or Iraq. Some of you people are really dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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