DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 GENEVA - The campaign poster was blatant in its xenophobic symbolism: Three white sheep kicking out a black sheep over a caption that read "for more security." The message was not from a fringe force in Switzerland's political scene but from its largest party. The nationalist Swiss People's Party is proposing a deportation policy that anti-racism campaigners say evokes Nazi-era practices. Under the plan, entire families would be expelled if their children are convicted of a violent crime, drug offenses or benefits fraud. The party is trying to collect the 100,000 signatures needed to force a referendum on the issue. If approved in a referendum, the law would be the only one of its kind in Europe. "We believe that parents are responsible for bringing up their children. If they can't do it properly, they will have to bear the consequences," Ueli Maurer, president of the People's Party, told The Associated Press. Ronnie Bernheim of the Swiss Foundation against Racism and Anti-Semitism said the proposal was similar to the Nazi practice of "Sippenhaft" — or kin liability — whereby relatives of criminals were held responsible for his or her crimes and punished equally. Similar practices occurred during Stalin's purges in the early days of the Soviet Union and the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution in China, when millions were persecuted for their alleged ideological failings. "As soon as the first 10 families and their children have been expelled from the country, then things will get better at a stroke," said Maurer, whose party controls the Justice Ministry and shares power in an unwieldy coalition that includes all major parties. He explained that his party has long campaigned to make deportation compulsory for convicted immigrants rather than an optional and rarely applied punishment. The party claims foreigners — who make up about 20 percent of the population — are four times more likely to commit crimes than Swiss nationals. Bernheim said the vast majority of Switzerland's immigrants are law-abiding and warned against generalizations. "If you don't treat a complicated issue with the necessary nuance and care, then you won't do it justice," he said. Commentators have expressed horror over the symbolism used by the People's Party to make its point. "This way of thinking shows an obvious blood-and-soil mentality," read one editorial in the Zurich daily Tages-Anzeiger, calling for a broader public reaction against the campaign. So far, however, there has been little popular backlash against the posters. "We haven't had any complaints," said Maurer. The city of Geneva — home to Switzerland's humanitarian traditions as well as the European headquarters of the United Nations and the U.N. Refugee Agency, or UNHCR — said the campaign was likely to stir up intolerance. The UNHCR said the law would run contrary to the U.N. refugee convention, of which Switzerland is a signatory. But observers say the People's Party's hardline stance on immigration could help it in the Oct. 21 national elections. In 2004, the party successfully campaigned for tighter immigration laws using the image of black hands reaching into a pot filled with Swiss passports. "It's certainly no coincidence that the People's Party launched this initiative before the elections," said Oliver Geden, a political scientist at the Berlin Institute for International and Security Affairs. He said provocative campaigns such as this had worked well for the party in the past. "The symbol of the black sheep was clearly intended to have a double meaning. On the one hand there's the familiar idea of the black sheep, but a lot of voters are also going to associate it with the notion of dark-skinned drug dealers," said Geden. The party also has put forward a proposal to ban the building of minaret towers alongside mosques. And one of its leading figures, Justice Minister Christoph Blocher, said he wants to soften anti-racism laws because they prevent freedom of speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 bloodfeast why is europe less racist than the us again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILONE/SK Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I kind of agree with it. What I do not agree with is that they just push them out of their country and do not care about the countries they push them too. The whole, "lets take care of our country and forget about everyone else" attitude is what bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Hell Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 just kill them. dont kick them out. just kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGG Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 what's wrong with expulsing criminal foreigners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seffiks Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 was i suppose to read that whole thing ( can someone give m the footnotes?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGG Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 it's a campaign lead by a populist party in switzerland, it's about expulsing criminal foreigners to their countries. the party use the pic you see above^^. it's the story with the black sheep but apparently people are too narrow minded to understand the second degree so for them it's a racist campaign against black people...voila plus this party use a lot of borderline racist propaganda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire15 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 well thank god those European countrys are so much more tolerant than those fucked up Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 it's a campaign lead by a populist party in switzerland, it's about expulsing criminal foreigners to their countries. the party use the pic you see above^^. it's the story with the black sheep but apparently people are too narrow minded to understand the second degree so for them it's a racist campaign against black people...voila plus this party use a lot of borderline racist propaganda whoa that's the most text i've ever seen egg post as caligula said before, egg is a man of little words... mostly youtube links and pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Auschwitz, the meaning of pain The way that I want you to die Slow death, immense decay Showers that cleanse you of your life Forced in Like cattle You run Stripped of Your life's worth Human mice, for the Angel of Death Four hundred thousand more to die Angel of Death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Sadistic, surgeon of demise Sadist of the noblest blood Destroying, without mercy To benefit the Aryan race Surgery, with no anesthesia Feel the knife pierce you intensely Inferior, no use to mankind Strapped down screaming out to die Angel of Death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Infamous butcher, Angel of Death Pumped with fluid, inside your brain Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes Burning flesh, drips away Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil Frigid cold, cracks your limbs How long can you last In this frozen water burial? Sewn together, joining heads Just a matter of time 'Til you rip yourselves apart Millions laid out in their Crowded tombs Sickening ways to achieve The holocaust Seas of blood, bury life Smell your death as it burns Deep inside of you Abacinate, eyes that bleed Praying for the end of Your wide awake nightmare Wings of pain, reach out for you His face of death staring down, Your blood running cold Injecting cells, dying eyes Feeding on the screams of The mutants he's creating Pathetic harmless victims Left to die Rancid Angel of Death Flying free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 what's wrong with expulsing criminal foreigners? Maybe you didn't read the whole thing and missed the part where they want to get rid of entire famillies if one of them commits a crime. Think about your entire family being exhiled because you got busted smoking weed or got in a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILONE/SK Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Maybe those famlies need to control their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 Maybe those famlies need to control their own. That's fucking retarded. Do you control everyone else in your family? Does your family have control over what you do? Fuck outa here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 doesnt it take like 9 years to become a citizen of switzerland? but like 9 seconds to be from anywhere else and set up a bank account there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauler5150 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I didn't read the threads initial post, but I read that entire familes were being eradicated. Fuck that shit is heavy man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Kinkaid Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Maybe you didn't read the whole thing and missed the part where they want to get rid of entire famillies if one of them commits a crime. Think about your entire family being exhiled because you got busted smoking weed or got in a fight. I'm sure it's for something a little more serious than that. And I have to say I agree with it. The key term here being "foreigners". That means anyone who isn't from Switzerland, not someone who's non-white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGG Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Maybe you didn't read the whole thing and missed the part where they want to get rid of entire famillies if one of them commits a crime. Think about your entire family being exhiled because you got busted smoking weed or got in a fight. raping killing drug trafficking and stuff like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 Maybe you didn't read the whole thing and missed the part where they want to get rid of entire famillies if one of them commits a crime. Think about your entire family being exhiled because you got busted smoking weed or got in a fight. I'm sure it's for something a little more serious than that. And I have to say I agree with it. Well then I guess you're a fucking idiot. Under the plan, entire families would be expelled if their children are convicted of a violent crime, drug offenses or benefits fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 raping killing drug trafficking and stuff like that That's not what it says. It says "violent crimes, drug offences, and benifiets fraud". The first two would definitely include drunken barfights and getting high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 no it wouldnt DAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 ^And even if it was about rape, murder, or drug trafficking... What the fuck does that have to do with the rest of the people in the family if they had nothing to do with it? Or even any knowledge of it? It's 2007 and yall are on some 1938 type shit. WTF??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 no it wouldnt DAO. OK then oh wise one. Please explain to me how a drunken barfight doesn't fit into the category of "violent crime". And how getting caught in posession of drugs doesn't translate into a "drug offense". ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 ^And while you're at it, please explain what the fuck it has to do with the rest of the persons family members if they weren't actually involved with the shit? And probably had no knowlege of the shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 they arent talking about lesser crimes. read up on it before you start talking like you know everything. sort of like when you went ahead and argued with science on whether alcohol was a depressant or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 and i dont agree with the whole family getting kicked out either. but it isnt my country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 they arent talking about lesser crimes. read up on it before you start talking like you know everything. sort of like when you went ahead and argued with science on whether alcohol was a depressant or not. I read the article. The same one I just posted. I'm assuming that it's in the same English that we both read. If you read a different English, well then I don't know what to tell you. If you have something to argue this with other than your will to just argue, then please enlighten me as to how this Yahoo News article is a hoax. And if you get depressed while drunk then that's your problem. I personally have never seen anybody get depressed from drinking. Infact it's usually what people who are "depressed" do to cheer up. And I've been around most likely longer than you. :biglaugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 and i dont agree with the whole family getting kicked out either. Well then what exactly is your point? Because that's what the article is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I read the article. The same one I just posted. I'm assuming that it's in the same English that we both read. If you read a different English, well then I don't know what to tell you. If you have something to argue this with other than your will to just argue, then please enlighten me as to how this Yahoo News article is a hoax. And if you get depressed while drunk then that's your problem. I personally have never seen anybody get depressed from drinking. Infact it's usually what people who are "depressed" do to cheer up. And I've been around most likely longer than you. :biglaugh: theres more information than just this one article. stop trying to make a point with the alcohol is not a depressant thing because you make yourself seem like a huge idiot. im not going to discuss this any further with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 a drug being a "depressant" doesn't automatically mean that it will make you "depressed" (psychologically). there's a big difference. it means it has an effect that subdues and reduces specific bodily functions. yes, alcohol is a depressant. no, it does not usually make people "depressed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILONE/SK Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 That's fucking retarded. Do you control everyone else in your family? Does your family have control over what you do? Fuck outa here. Then maybe they do not need to go to some other country and bring their problems with them. That is like going to dinner over a strangers house and leaving pubes with crabs on their toilet seat. Why should another county have to tolerate those problems? Every thing I read from you seems to be more and more retarded. Not because of what your position is on any one subject, but because you think your way is right and you can not discuss anything rationally. Stop being an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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