LIVERWURST* Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 The US has already conducted military operations within Pakistan. If he has to take out a safe-haven that includes leadership like Ayman Al-Zawahiri, and Osama bin Laden; and the leaders of the nation are not acting -- then I'm all for it. The first step though would be to negotiate with Pakistan in getting them granting permission. If they don't -- strike them anyway. I agree, but I also think this could be done with a larger design in hand to prevent any real response. Musharraf isn't supporting these groups, he's just politically and to a degree militarily, too weak to attack them. If we went in and finally took the war to the real terrorists, I don't see anyone turning against us. Posturing is not the same as action, and I wouldn't be surprised if Musharraf would be fine with it as long as we kept secretly funneling money to him for military purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Oh yeah, my vote list is definitely Obama followe quickly by Ron Paul. I doubt any of you heard it, but Paul was on NPR and he was one of the most articulate and honest politicians I've ever heard speak. I don't agree with all of his politics, but I'd be willing to bet he'd be one of the best presidents we could ever have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 MRL: if it goes clinton/obama on the same ticket, would you still vote for him via her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 didn't know you supported dr. paul. good deal, theo. DAO: ron paul knows what is constitutional and what isn't. socialized health care is not the answer. making the economy better and limiting big pharma's power is. get your head right. In this country if you have cancer and you don't have $1/4 million dollars to get help, you're dead. Even if you DO have insurance you're probably still assed out. This is the only "western" country that doesn't have tax funded healthcare for ALL of its citizens. Out of all the money that we are taxed for that hardly ever goes to anything that personally benefits us, I'd be DAMN GLAD to see some of it go to making sure that I can get the treatment needed if I got cancer, or if I got ran over by a bus. And I'd be DAMN glad to see it go towards my familly and freinds when they need it. How the fuck you gonna bitch about a extra dollar or two getting took out your paycheck when it actually goes toward something benifitial of the people? If you're that hardcore against taxes then why the fuck you voting at all? Not one politician is going to repeal the taxes already in place. And if you're that hadcore against taxes then why aint you in prison for tax evasion? And would you seriously rather go through the bullshit to even get approved for health insuance, pay ALOT more money than what would be taken out in taxes if we had socialized medicine, and take the chance of your insurance company leaving you out to dry when you need them??? GET YOUR HEAD RIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 chill out there, DAO. i understand what you are saying. when i broke my femur in '01, i was insurance-less. i think the biill was $16,000. i had toi run from it. couldn't pay more than a few grand and that only covered anesthesia and ambulatory expenses. so, i do understand. look at canada. they pay out the ass and have to be put on a waiting list if it's anything serious. that is socialized medicine. as for taxes. i like taxes that go towards the people. federal taxes don't go for anything in this country. they are used to pay international debt accrued. we have a big one now, if you didn't know. that's thanks to the gold standard being wiped out and fiat currency being put in place. i think you should examine ron paul's views more closely as to why he isn't for a socialist medicine program. it may make more sense. i'll dig for some videos or something. here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5603739674947157913&q=ron+paul+healthcare&total=110&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 MRL: if it goes clinton/obama on the same ticket, would you still vote for him via her? If it was Paul vs Clinton I would vote Paul. Obama as a trainee/vote grabber is not appealing - I want him in office because he is new and seemingly less tainted. Experience in politics is not a selling point for me. I am not the constitutional "purists" you guys are, but my vote for Paul in his case would be about strength of character - which is a major aspect of Obamas appeal as well. I think what Ron Paul would do, above all other things, is reset the political game and undue the ridiculous trampling on our constitution and the political system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Canadians don't wait that long. That's bullshit. It's propaganda. You've obviously waited in the ER before. So get real Casek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 another http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7682313963388508510&q=ron+paul+healthcare&total=110&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7921134013426780577&q=ron+paul+healthcare&total=110&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 MRO: well, paul knows what he's doing. DAO: i've waited in the ER, yeah. i'm talking about being on a waiting list for serious things such as transplants, CANCER treatment, etc. good article on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 DAO: i've waited in the ER, yeah. i'm talking about being on a waiting list for serious things such as transplants, CANCER treatment, etc. You do know that Americans have to get on waiting lists for transplants and shit too, right?:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 MRO: well, paul knows what he's doing. That's it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 you know, he comes close to the truth, gets right up on the edge of it, but he won't tell the whole of it for some reason. i don't trust that. i mean, it is good that he is trying, but i don't think he'd dare tell the whole of it for fear of looking like a madman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 You do know that Americans have to get on waiting lists for transplants and shit too, right?:rolleyes: bad example. acid reflux is hurting me and drawing my attention away. i should have said cancer treatments, cataract surgery, etc. common stuff these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 by the way, DAO: i want to show you why he doesn't tell the whole of it http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7242649/site/newsweek/ http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/exhibits/treasures/aes.htm i'm gonna go watcha documentary and try and get a couple more hours of sleep. have a good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBcHWw6ypE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 bad example. acid reflux is hurting me and drawing my attention away. i should have said cancer treatments, cataract surgery, etc. common stuff these days. Common stuff that most Americans can't get either because they don't have insurance or there insurance that they pay mad money to have won't let them. I think Most people wouldn't mind waiting for shit that's free that they otherwise wouldn't get at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Common stuff that most Americans can't get either because they don't have insurance or there insurance that they pay mad money to have won't let them. I think Most people wouldn't mind waiting for shit that's free that they otherwise wouldn't get at all. sometimes waiting means death. if my grandparents were having to wait for something serious and died, i'd be so pissed...but there wouldn't be anything i could do about it. no law suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana fish Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/ap_on_el_pr/edwards_news_corp ergh i just cuaght this. Fox did some reports on Obama where they were saying he was Muslim and went to a Muslim school but later they found out the school is public and does not teach based on the religion and that Obama is Christian. They even went so far as to actually relate that obama sounds like osama. Then they talked about how he smokes cigarettes like in some way that should stiffle his campaign bullshit like that. I cant really take them seriously. Hilary has to be doing something for them to be hush hush about her husbands "past mischief" if all the trash fox news can scrounge up on the presidential cannidates is that obama smokes and his last name sounds like osama. I agree with MRL Hilary seems pretty shady and if her character isnt strong enough for you to want her to be president becuase of what she can do and not her husband then she doesnt deserve to be president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 sometimes waiting means death. if my grandparents were having to wait for something serious and died, i'd be so pissed...but there wouldn't be anything i could do about it. no law suits. But if there was no healthcare to begin with he'd die anyway? Right? Unless your grandpops rich or something. And you just got done saying that it's people with the non immediate shit that need to wait in line. You're not making any sense Casek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 But if there was no healthcare to begin with he'd die anyway? Right? Unless your grandpops rich or something. And you just got done saying that it's people with the non immediate shit that need to wait in line. You're not making any sense Casek. serious for an old person is different than serious for a young person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 serious for an old person is different than serious for a young person. But "you're denied" or "You don't have the money" applies to young and old equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 semantics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 semantics (si man'tiks), n. a branch of linguistics dealing with the study of meaning, including the way meaning is structured in language and changes in meaning and form over time. ^Has nothing to do with what I said. How about this... Any of you Canadians, Europeans, Ausies, or anyone else who lives in a country with free healrthcare, would you trade it in for what we here in the States have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 hell nol, i cannot fuckign believe someone had to pay 16 grand for a broken arm, im pretty sure that would cost about 400 bucks over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Feast Island Man Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 How about this... Any of you Canadians, Europeans, Ausies, or anyone else who lives in a country with free healrthcare, would you trade it in for what we here in the States have? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 hell nol, i cannot fuckign believe someone had to pay 16 grand for a broken arm, im pretty sure that would cost about 400 bucks over here broken femur. splintered. two metal rods in my left leg. a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubbs Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 and mental trauma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 actually, no. not any mental trauma. i do think what some people call the kundalini opened up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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