Fist 666 Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 I read your other statements and your point is basically he's a fat asshole that you wish to have a heart-attack and die for rocking the boat. That he should just accept that America is doomed and keep his mouth shut. You're a fucking moron. It's apathetic assholes like you that are to blame for why America is so fucked to begin with. If people like Mike Moore can get enough people pissed off and shift this tide of apathy then more power to him. And assholes like you that have nothing better to do than to call him a fat fuck should just keep your fucking mouths shut unless you actually have something worth saying. there is a significant difference between misanthropy and apathy. michael moore is a fat asshole, i wouldn't mind if he died of a heart attack. not for rocking the boat, but for the fact that he annoys the shit out of me. he has not shifted a single tide, like i said, he pisses people off for the length of time his film runs. thats it. perhaps its a start to bringing the public to a higher state of social consciousness, i don't think so. if he were to be less of a shitbag and more professional (as i'd outlined, ha) i believe he could make a difference, instead of riling up the simple folk he should let them know what their part (other than boycotts) is in making a difference. why should i keep my mouth shut? because i think he sucks? you then have the right to open yours because you like him? fuck your line of reason i agree, it is far more productive to bitch about an issue or problem and provide ideas for solution, rather than just complain. however, there is no way for me to offer my ideas on solution to mr moore personally. i believe in trying to change the world for the better, but just because it riles the conservatives doesn't mean that some step is a positive change. (related thought: moore bitches without something to say incessantly. his offered solutions: pull out of the war, don't trust your government, don't shop at walmart, and lets emulate canada--fuck him) this is why i don't go into crossfire. i get sucked into stupid fucking arguments so damn easily. i want moroe to shut up, you want to suck his dick. agree to disagree? ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Grenades Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 this does not make the point of this film any less credible. in fact, this article further proves that big media's cumbersome rebuttal towards facts continues to be comprised of juvenile pot shots and trying to refute important public debate into a mere popularity contest and numbers game. this ain't about box office numbers because if it were, Moore would not have "leaked" it onto the net ;) try again. umm i wasn't disputing the films credibility tardface, i actually like michael moore. you try again feces face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.coma Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 umm i wasn't disputing the films credibility tardface, i actually like michael moore. you try again feces face. well then say so bloody tampon stirring the punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amongst Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, to each his own, i think everyone here is right. someone should move this thread to CROSSFIRE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, to each his own, i think everyone here is right. someone should move this thread to CROSSFIRE. it needs more attention than crossfire gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Grenades Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 well then say so bloody tampon stirring the punch. that was a little pms-y wasn't it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.coma Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 you just don't understand, i slave over a hot stove all for you!!!!!! MAYBE I WANT TO GO DANCING SOMETIME YOU BASTARD.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Grenades Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 i don't take my bitches dancing, i take them to the curb to make that money for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 i don't take my bitches dancing, i take them to the curb to make that money for me. she'll take you to mcdonalds and buy you a mcnugget if you act nice. she might let you dip it, if you extra nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.coma Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 oh no you di-int. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 oh yeah, i might've Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 there is a significant difference between misanthropy and apathy. michael moore is a fat asshole, i wouldn't mind if he died of a heart attack. not for rocking the boat, but for the fact that he annoys the shit out of me. he has not shifted a single tide, like i said, he pisses people off for the length of time his film runs. thats it. perhaps its a start to bringing the public to a higher state of social consciousness, i don't think so. if he were to be less of a shitbag and more professional (as i'd outlined, ha) i believe he could make a difference, instead of riling up the simple folk he should let them know what their part (other than boycotts) is in making a difference. why should i keep my mouth shut? because i think he sucks? you then have the right to open yours because you like him? fuck your line of reason i agree, it is far more productive to bitch about an issue or problem and provide ideas for solution, rather than just complain. however, there is no way for me to offer my ideas on solution to mr moore personally. i believe in trying to change the world for the better, but just because it riles the conservatives doesn't mean that some step is a positive change. (related thought: moore bitches without something to say incessantly. his offered solutions: pull out of the war, don't trust your government, don't shop at walmart, and lets emulate canada--fuck him) this is why i don't go into crossfire. i get sucked into stupid fucking arguments so damn easily. i want moroe to shut up, you want to suck his dick. agree to disagree? ha. You have no point. You pretend to agree with what he stands for then turn around and call him a fat asshole and hope he has a heartattack. How old are you 16? You're a douchebag. Get your head out of your ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Grenades Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 i think this has already been proven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 You have no point. You pretend to agree with what he stands for then turn around and call him a fat asshole and hope he has a heartattack. How old are you 16? You're a douchebag. Get your head out of your ass. the entirety of my posts have been directed at the idea that the show moore puts on now is ineffective and needs revamping, and that his show annoys me. i'm not pretending to agree with what he stands for whatsoever. i don't think national healthcare is a good idea, i think privatized health care must be changed by legislation and given some serious check and balances. i am pro-gun and pro-capitalism. however, i am pro-consciousness and an informed public is the only way the democracy (that i've volunteered to fight for) we live in can be truly effective. i vote right, i don't like moore's politics, i am glad there is someone there to "inform" the illiterate masses of the US populace, but i believe there are far better ways for him to do it. (this is NOT crossfire, i'm not going to argue politics in CH 0, i'm arguing that moore is half the hero you'd love him to be) he is a fat asshole. my head is not in my ass, i'm fairly sure i've got a stronger grasp of this than you; as all you've got for responses are shit talk to me, no examples and ideas you've pulled from i don't know where about my ethos. for the record i'm 23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Anybody who is against socialized healthcare is a complete asshole. I hope all of you assholes have a heart attack and either can't afford or aren't permitted treatment by your HMO...and die. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 this is a crossfire conversation. americans have a complete dependency on prescription drugs and live as hypochondriacs. the only reason socialized healthcare is even to be considered is because the fact that the drug companies (who sponsor cnn, ha) promote that dependency and fear to the american people. the urgent need for health care is because of ludicrous diseases and disorders/or by people that have fucked their bodies up by consuming garbage their whole lives (and taking pills with unknown side effects...). free us from that--give us an eastern method of medicine and we'll eliminate the majority of hospital visits. if people live their whole lives not giving a shit about their bodies and then die, its on them not their HMO. fuck 'em, we don't need shitbags to further our species in any way. the strong survive, yeah? your punk rock rhetoric is a joke guy, you've yet to make a single legitimate point or idea. if you really want the money that you work for (probably hard for) to go to health care for waste-of-space oxygen-thieves through taxes, then by all means, do what you can through votes and letters to your congress (i'm sure you don't do that, though). i'm not even slightly worried about my health care bud, the US citizens pay for what i need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 i downloaded sicko about a month ago. i think he did a great job. the point is to get people aware of the topic and discuss it. so he's already succeeded. it isnt the purest of documentaries but he is trying to balance out the already ultra right wing tv stations way of doing journalism. the thing that makes this even better than his past works is that he has most likely listened to his critics and taken the majority of himself out of it and his surprise visits to corporate headquarters. the people tell the story and it works. he even has said in interviews that sure other countries systems are not perfect but lets take what is good about them and apply that to our own system. my sister is a nurse for pre-me babies and she said that for twins that are born early costs 1 million dollars. thats more than most people make thier whole lives. basically i feel the reason that people dont like moore on this issue has more to do with tax money than healthcare. taxes scare the hell out of rich people and they dont want them to go to paying for other peoples hospital bills. im all for socialized systems that pay all my medical and my kids university. i'd willingly pay the higher taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 this is a crossfire conversation. americans have a complete dependency on prescription drugs and live as hypochondriacs. the only reason socialized healthcare is even to be considered is because the fact that the drug companies (who sponsor cnn, ha) promote that dependency and fear to the american people. the urgent need for health care is because of ludicrous diseases and disorders/or by people that have fucked their bodies up by consuming garbage their whole lives (and taking pills with unknown side effects...). free us from that--give us an eastern method of medicine and we'll eliminate the majority of hospital visits. if people live their whole lives not giving a shit about their bodies and then die, its on them not their HMO. fuck 'em, we don't need shitbags to further our species in any way. the strong survive, yeah? your punk rock rhetoric is a joke guy, you've yet to make a single legitimate point or idea. if you really want the money that you work for (probably hard for) to go to health care for waste-of-space oxygen-thieves through taxes, then by all means, do what you can through votes and letters to your congress (i'm sure you don't do that, though). i'm not even slightly worried about my health care bud, the US citizens pay for what i need. With socialized medicine there wouldn't be Pfiser ads on tv. Everybody gets sick and injured, not just people that eat McDonalds everyday you fucking asshole. What "Punk rock" rhetorica are you talking about? WHo the fuck said anything about Punk rock? We're talking about real world shit here. True story, if this wasn't the internet I'd feed you your teeth and send you to the ER to rack up a G in bills just on gp of your ignorance. You have insurane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 good thoughts serum. i'm not convinced that social health care is the solution to the cost of primi twins, though. the reason the cost is so high is because of doctors' wages and inflated costs on everything hospital related. its the health industry that needs to be changed, eliminate the greed factor that is so prevalent. once these people work for reasonable wages then health care will be far more affordable. (the elevated cost of rx name brand drugs is another story...) thats my take... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Also, of all the fucking money that comes out of my paycheck for bullshit wars and to enforce bullshit laws that I don't even support.... Of all my tax money that's squandered on bullshit that has nothing to do with me... I'D BE DAMN GLAD TO GIVE UP A FEW MORE DOLLARS OUT OF MY PAYCHECK IF IT MEANS THAT I CAN GET MY TEETH FIXED OR GET MY SHIT FIXED IF I GET HIT BY A CAR AND MY LEGS BROKE. OR IF I GOT CANCER AND NEEDED SURGERY. AND ANYONE WHO'D RATHER RACK UP THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON ER VISITS OR TAKE A GAMBLE ON PAYING ALL THAT MONEY FOR INSURANCE THAT'S GONNA LEAVE YOU HANGING WHEN YOU NEED THEM IS A FUCKING MORON!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 fist666 thats a fair enough view and i do agree that americans are hypochondriacs but how do you take out the capital gain of making the drugs and still have enough incentive on doing the research to make the miracle cures? also the hospitals run themselves like businesses and anything that they arent getting paid on they arent going to do. then alot of doctors decide on where they are going to practice according to what their malpractice insurance will be. with cost of med school, insurance into the equation it will be pretty difficult to convince them on taking a smaller paycheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 With socialized medicine there wouldn't be Pfiser ads on tv. Everybody gets sick and injured, not just people that eat McDonalds everyday you fucking asshole. What "Punk rock" rhetorica are you talking about? WHo the fuck said anything about Punk rock? We're talking about real world shit here. True story, if this wasn't the internet I'd feed you your teeth and send you to the ER to rack up a G in bills just on gp of your ignorance. You have insurane? i call every democrat, socialist, or liberal a punk rocker. don't take it personally, or do. did you just threaten me over the internet guy? aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhaahaha. yes, more than shitbags go to the hospital and need medical attention. western medicine can help a plethora of legitimate ailments. and it wouldn't hurt for those to be treated in an affordable fashion. i'd bet a solid percentage of hospital visits could be eliminated through (time machines could save us all) eating healthy and living right. the health care system is fucked, i'll not question that for a minute, but this isn't crossfire fucker, get back to why i should support moore's technique. sweetheart, go ahead and assault a soldier because he's capable of arguing and you're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 serum yeah, its one of those things that maybe its too far to revamp. starting from the ground up is impossible at this point. its been as this for far too long and its not going to change with a few bills and mandates. i don't know. i don't know what to offer as solution, its really all fucked... as far as profit and meds... there has to be some. thats what we're driven by in today's society (not that its right, just fact...). the degree of inflation that is inarguably extreme, it'll take some good hearted biochemists and their investors to change that... also i think there are alot of philanthropists who lose family to this or that disease who make donations to research to keep it going. esp. cancer, aids, and Alzheimer's. so thats a small difference thats being made there... i'm going to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 i call every democrat, socialist, or liberal a punk rocker. don't take it personally, or do. Even more example that you're a fucking retard. I've already proved this and so have other people on here. But you're just too thick to get it. Because you're fucking retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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