WORDISM45 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 i already said that i don't think active control is the right thing to do and suggested that we need a fundamental change in the way we think, in terms of our place in society and in terms of the family unit. any person that has even the faintest spark of intelligence can see that the earth is unsustainably overpopulated and unless human society can change into a more community based family structure then we are doomed to continue exponentially increasing the human population for our own immediate self interest and we will have the weight of all possible future life on this planet on our shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 wow. that is insanity at work. 300 million is the population of the united states alone. no, i don't think it's overpopulated. it's a huge planet. i think we need to explore more options for fuel. i think i think if the u.s. legalized hemp farming, it would help a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Weren't those solar panels made by a private company?. I bet most of the parts were. You think that private company did it for free? Who do you think paid them? Should I take it as a good sign that none of you idiots are arguing that space exploration is a bad thing and that NASA hasn't done anything worthwhile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Ron Paul is a Republican. Anybody that takes anything a Republican has to say seriously is either naive or a fucking moron. Fuck Ron Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 you've obviously not read or listened to anything ron paul has had to say. if you did, you'd know ron paul is against the public policies and direction that republican party has gone in recent years, and is against bush, the iraq war, against giuliani, against pre-emptive war, and against most other notable republicans and neo-conservatives. basically his feelings about many people in the republican party are almost along the lines as yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 " You think that private company did it for free? Who do you think paid them?" the federal government creates no wealth. it steals it from capitalists. do you work for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Ron Paul is a Republican. Anybody that takes anything a Republican has to say seriously is either naive or a fucking moron. Fuck Ron Paul. perfect example of a sheep bleating out the party line. A hundred bucks says this dude hasn't even the slightest knowledge of who Ron Paul is or what he stands for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 ron paul 1988 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinksmall Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 ^ LOL ron paul is ill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 " You think that private company did it for free? Who do you think paid them?" the federal government creates no wealth. it steals it from capitalists. do you work for free? What's the point of this response? I don't get why this response exists. You are essentially saying exactly what I am saying, except inserting the word "stealing" in for "taxing". I know your viewpoint on taxes all too well by now, so you don't need to re-iterate. Regardless of whether or not you consider it stealing, the space program is funded by taxpayer money and has done very well for itself, despite massive cuts in funding over the last few years, and the Columbia disaster. The disintegration of the Columbia shuttle could very well be due to lack of funding. Either way, some of the money we pay goes toward this research, which has paid off very well in knowledge of the universe. OF COURSE, you might not give a shit since you seem more concerned with money. But again, the companies that are contracted for this sort of work operate under the same system as the rest of the country, and they are able to thrive under the capitalist system BECAUSE of the federal government, not in spite of the federal government. I'm not saying your stupid, but your logic does not seem to account for this aspect of the federal government, and therefore has some gaping holes. You wouldn't even be able to talk here if it were not for the federal government, its contracts, research, and your own money. You talk about the federal government as if it has never done any good for anyone, ever. I don't defend everything about it and find flaws within the system myself, but the difference between you and I is that I have the capacity to understand there are many sides to the story, while you only want to understand one side. You also throw the word "communism" and "socialist" around a little too freely, and I think it's catching on poor little confused casek, who sees it fit to call someone a fascist if they don't support Ron Paul. That's a sure-fire way to make enemies, not friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 "I don't get why this response exists. You are essentially saying exactly what I am saying, except inserting the word "stealing" in for "taxing"." it exists because the foundation of all these arguments is about using stolen money to fund projects and programs. it is stolen money because if you dont pay your taxes you will go to jail or be killed. plain and simple. where as private companies exchange goods and services for money all in a volunary manner. so when there is talk about the federal government needing to be involved in something because they have money, it is only because they have robbed it from the sectors of society that produce wealth. i think it needs to be stated constantly because it is the foundation of all these arguments and should not be overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 First, I have yet to hear of a person getting the death penalty for not paying their taxes. Second, all capitalist countries have taxes. Third, you will never have to stop paying taxes. Fourth, you use the system, therefore you must pay for the privilege. Ain't nothing for free in this world, especially not citizenship. Fifth, you apparently agree with me on space exploration which is cool. Sixth, I know about taxes, I think that it's highway robbery that people have to pay so much, particularly once you go over a certain tax bracket and 50 percent of your earnings are taken from you. I don't think that it is fair to be taxed so much, and I am certainly not for raising taxes, but I also know that this country would fall apart if there was no taxes. What I do think is bullshit is sales tax, that shit needs to go. And at times I question the validity of being taxed on a paycheck from both the federal and state governments, which essentially equates to double taxation, which is technically what we are supposed to be free of in this country. But taxes must exist. The proceeds just have to be used properly, instead of throwing billions at a war that we should have never gotten into and pork projects. Another point, if we eliminate the majority of federal programs, as well as the IRS, we would make hundreds of thousands of people jobless. I think they would disagree with your views quite strongly, as well as the views of Ron Paul, which is why he will never get elected. I like that he is open and honest about what he wants to do, that is an admirable quality, but what he wants to do just won't work to do anything good and would send this whole country down the shithole. There are better solutions than crippling the system that holds this country together, someone just has to think of them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 believe it or not im in favor of taxes to pay for elements of a constitutional republican government. like police, courts, defense, etc. many people have gotten the death penalty for taxes. if you forcibly resist going to court for not paying taxes you will be killed. in fact ed and elaine brown are probably going to be getting the 'death penalty' real soon. eliminating federal programs and the IRS is a great idea. all those people instead of sucking off tax payers and the federal government's tit, they can move into more productive sectors of society. in fact, i think your argument about not cutting programs because people will lose jobs, is probably the best argument FOR cutting programs and departments. that way these people can stop being bureaucrats, wasting our money and can start producing in the market place. as far as all capitalist countries having taxes, you might be right. but if everyone jumped off a cliff, should we jump off as well? the US historically has had very low taxes and were almost entirely paid for by import tariffs and land taxes. low import tariffs, with our economy could easily pay for constitutional government, even if the income tax was shut down right now. of course all our foreign and domestic imperialism and socialism would have to come to an end. but our government, set by constitutional restraints could EASILY be paid for. im quite positive Ron Paul most likely wont win the presidency, but that will not stop me from supporting him. why would someone get elected to the federal government if they are going to try to cut half the bureaucracy of DC in his first week? the government tends to protect itsself first and foremost, the interests of the people are way down the list. who knows if ron paul wins, he might be assassinated on the inaugural stand by renegade federal employees! if paul doesnt win, i feel that he just may set the stage for a massive takeover in the years to come. sort of like how goldwater set the stage for reagan, even though reagan turned out to not really hold true to his beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 actually, i know that is why abortion is such a large part of our culture now. as are many other things. all part of the grand design. holy fucking crap. are you joking? so lets say there is some grand design. it would be certainly be led by the people who have been in power for centuries, those people being christians. so, if those christians were using abortion to develop their "master race" wouldnt they be supporting abortion? opening clinics that dont condemn women for seeking an abortion? things of that nature? maybe planned parenthood is some type of puppet organization that only targets faith based abstinence only programs as a front while ushering in the socially inferior through the back door. seriously dude. you really have to stop with this "abortion is eugenics" shit. if you honestly view things like abortion, birth control and sexual education as some sort of grand exercise in race thinning then you need to stop reading infowars for a little while and get a handle on the real world that the rest of us live in. this garbage is making your 9/11 thread look intelligent. ps - i was going to get into the whole bill and melinda gates quip but dont even know that i want to dignify that. concern for health and well being does not equal some eugenicist plan. fucking christ man, come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Fuentes Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 you need to stop reading infowars for a little while and get a handle on the real world that the rest of us live in. but casek thinks HIS world is the REAL world and not yours, so visualize it as two different dimentions, you are like that and nothing will change you and other people is like them and nothing will change them, unless they are good people at the "heart" (or soul) and then they are guided towards the truth... you are not and dont give your opinion about anything related to sex,birth control,family,kids,women(sluts yes but not here),or love. look at your signature! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 holy fucking crap. are you joking? so lets say there is some grand design. it would be certainly be led by the people who have been in power for centuries, those people being christians. so, if those christians were using abortion to develop their "master race" wouldnt they be supporting abortion? opening clinics that dont condemn women for seeking an abortion? things of that nature? maybe planned parenthood is some type of puppet organization that only targets faith based abstinence only programs as a front while ushering in the socially inferior through the back door. seriously dude. you really have to stop with this "abortion is eugenics" shit. if you honestly view things like abortion, birth control and sexual education as some sort of grand exercise in race thinning then you need to stop reading infowars for a little while and get a handle on the real world that the rest of us live in. this garbage is making your 9/11 thread look intelligent. ps - i was going to get into the whole bill and melinda gates quip but dont even know that i want to dignify that. concern for health and well being does not equal some eugenicist plan. fucking christ man, come on. i supplied info to back it up http://youtube.com/watch?v=lEEZXxFPHxo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanfullofretards Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 To be honest, I really couldn't care at all if every retarded person was killed. That probably seems very harsh and insensitive but, really, they don't add to or help anyones life. HEY, lets get back to RON PAUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 To be honest, I really couldn't care at all if every retarded person was killed. That probably seems very harsh and insensitive but, really, they don't add to or help anyones life. man, those are peoples sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends, etc. you're part of the problem, time to be a man and stop believing in the sickness that you have been taught to believe is the right way. and it's not about mentally or physically handicapped. it's about races, it's about religions, it's about people who wear glasses, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanfullofretards Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 Ok, first off I said that was insensitive. Second, I haven't been "taught" to think mentally retarded people should be killed. Third, every relative will say they love their retarded brother, son etc. but deeeep deeep down they wish he wasn't born. They only add inconveniences to peoples lives, maybe I'm a little too drunk to be talking on this issue. But WTF.. I was talking about retarded people not people who wear glasses..??. Dude you're waaay tooooo deep into these fuckin' theories of yours. BTW... LETS GET OFF THIS TOPIC!! THIS THREAD IS FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Ok, first off I said that was insensitive. Second, I haven't been "taught" to think mentally retarded people should be killed. Third, every relative will say they love their retarded brother, son etc. but deeeep deeep down they wish he wasn't born. They only add inconveniences to peoples lives, maybe I'm a little too drunk to be talking on this issue. But WTF.. I was talking about retarded people not people who wear glasses..??. Dude you're waaay tooooo deep into these fuckin' theories of yours. BTW... LETS GET OFF THIS TOPIC!! THIS THREAD IS FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no, way deep down they love them for who they are, not what they were born with. a real man doesn't think the way you do. and perhaps you are too drunk. i'll leave it at that. and yes, eugenics is about people with glasses, people of color, etc. if you don't know about history, you have no reason to argue or continue arguing because i will blow you out of the water with evidence. and yeah, let's get back on topic. first good thing you've said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanfullofretards Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 and yeah, let's get back on topic. first good thing you've said. HEY, come on, give me some more credit than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 HEY, come on, give me some more credit than that. ok, fifth good thing you've said all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanfullofretards Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 ^^^Whatever that means bub^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 but casek thinks HIS world is the REAL world and not yours, so visualize it as two different dimentions, you are like that and nothing will change you and other people is like them and nothing will change them, unless they are good people at the "heart" (or soul) and then they are guided towards the truth... you are not and dont give your opinion about anything related to sex,birth control,family,kids,women(sluts yes but not here),or love. look at your signature! what? im not good at heart? because of my signature (which is a joke) i cant comment on issues in which i am more educated than 99% of people here? im trying to figure out what youre saying here but its hard. you articulate yourself like a teenager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 out of curiosity, what is your educational background? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 i supplied info to back it up http://youtube.com/watch?v=lEEZXxFPHxo well, at the moment i cant get the video to load but from reading the description it sounds like it mainly focuses on antiquated examples of eugenics which are no longer practiced. as for its current view of "eugenics", again, i think you and many others need to revisit the definition of eugenics which ive posted below. eu·gen·ics –noun (used with a singular verb) the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics). from my knowledge and as this definition states, eugenics has always focused on reproduction, whether through sterilization of those deemed undesirable or incestuous practices meant to continue a noble blood line. THIS IS EUGENICS. eugenics is not abortion, eugenics is not advances in medicine, eugenics is not sexual education. improvement in quality of life is not equal to improvements in the qualities of humans....do you get what i am saying in the least? your definition is completely skewed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 out of curiosity, what is your educational background? not that i think formal education has anything to do with someones level of knowledge (and i would hope you agree) but to humor you, i am a high school graduate. ill probably go back to school at some point but for the time being my mental enrichment comes from reading and surrounding myself intelligent, challenging people. how about yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 well, at the moment i cant get the video to load but from reading the description it sounds like it mainly focuses on antiquated examples of eugenics which are no longer practiced. as for its current view of "eugenics", again, i think you and many others need to revisit the definition of eugenics which ive posted below. eu·gen·ics –noun (used with a singular verb) the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics). from my knowledge and as this definition states, eugenics has always focused on reproduction, whether through sterilization of those deemed undesirable or incestuous practices meant to continue a noble blood line. THIS IS EUGENICS. eugenics is not abortion, eugenics is not advances in medicine, eugenics is not sexual education. improvement in quality of life is not equal to improvements in the qualities of humans....do you get what i am saying in the least? your definition is completely skewed! perhaps you should read this: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11020 http://www.bio.com/industryanalysis/industryanalysis_features.jhtml?cid=ci63609148 the rockefellers, henry ford, ted turner, bill gates, etc. etc. are all very supportive of eugenics. http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/Issues/00-09%20FALL/thehuman.html http://www.trdd.org/EUGBRE.HTM http://www.sunshine-project.org/publications/pr/pr110203.html http://watch.pair.com/charter.html do you honestly want me to go deeper into it? it gets pretty scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 not that i think formal education has anything to do with someones level of knowledge (and i would hope you agree) but to humor you, i am a high school graduate. ill probably go back to school at some point but for the time being my mental enrichment comes from reading and surrounding myself intelligent, challenging people. how about yourself? same and some college. mostly self-educated as far as my career (tech work and some graphic design on the side). and yes, i do agree. "formal" education these days is a load of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 thanks for the links. i was actually going to ask you for some more of your sources. ill take a look at this stuff and get back to you. for now, its back to work.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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