an open letter to the people of the U.S.

[Stereotype V.0002]

In 1999, Sudan began exporting crude oil and in the last quarter of 1999 recorded its first trade surplus. Increased oil production (the current production is about 520,000 barrels per day) revived light industry, and expanded export processing zones helped sustain GDP growth at 6.1% in 2003. These gains, along with improvements to monetary policy, have stabilized the exchange rate. Currently oil is Sudan's main export , and the production is increasing dramatically. With rising oil revenues the Sudanese economy is booming at a growth rate of nearly 7% in 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan#Economy

 

Sudan’s largely untapped oil reserves aren’t beneficial to the US war mongerering corporate masters? I thought that was the secret reason we invaded Iraq? What would the benefit for us being in Afghanistan btw? There really is no other genocide going on in the world right now comparable to Darfur, China and Ethiopia both are not murdering their citizens in the thousands I think the main thing in both of those countries are crack downs on dissent. China is getting the majority of Sudan’s oil, and their position on the UN security council has prevented any UN effort to effectively stop the genocide. The only way to stop this would be a US led effort similar to Iraq. Bush has already been verbally starting to put out ultimatums to Khartoum, is this wrong? Would the moral thing be to just let it continue on?

[Stereotype V.0002]

It turned into oh, yeah Saddams a murderer, he kills people, look , look...gas chambers, we just found out about them..Cough)) cough)). yeah...we never knew he gassed people!! let's get em'!

 

So, no, it's not a conspiracy against Isalm, just George Bush killing a few hundred thousand people to keep the American dollar strong because he's afraid of the ever growing stregnth of the euro and you know the rest of the story.........it ain't rocket science dude.

 

Wow, so Saddam really didn't kill any of his people? You are a wise man dawood. And it may not be rocket science but I am pretty slow, so can you explain to me how teh dubyaz invading Iraq and "killing a few hundred thousand people" is keeping the dollar strong? I thought the dollar was in decline since Iraq.....and I also thought the Euro was still a joke. Thanks in advance.

[Stereotype V.0002]

And I think the "gas chambers" you are referring to is the Kurdish villages he gassed with weapons we supplied him (although intended for Iran.) But, hey, close enough, I still think you are a wise scholar.

[lord_casek]

In 1999, Sudan began exporting crude oil and in the last quarter of 1999 recorded its first trade surplus. Increased oil production (the current production is about 520,000 barrels per day) revived light industry, and expanded export processing zones helped sustain GDP growth at 6.1% in 2003. These gains, along with improvements to monetary policy, have stabilized the exchange rate. Currently oil is Sudan's main export , and the production is increasing dramatically. With rising oil revenues the Sudanese economy is booming at a growth rate of nearly 7% in 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan#Economy

 

Sudan’s largely untapped oil reserves aren’t beneficial to the US war mongerering corporate masters? I thought that was the secret reason we invaded Iraq? What would the benefit for us being in Afghanistan btw? There really is no other genocide going on in the world right now comparable to Darfur, China and Ethiopia both are not murdering their citizens in the thousands I think the main thing in both of those countries are crack downs on dissent. China is getting the majority of Sudan’s oil, and their position on the UN security council has prevented any UN effort to effectively stop the genocide. The only way to stop this would be a US led effort similar to Iraq. Bush has already been verbally starting to put out ultimatums to Khartoum, is this wrong? Would the moral thing be to just let it continue on?

 

 

http://www.gregpalast.com/its-still-the-oilsecret-condi-meeting-on-oil-before-invasion/

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

 

i'd also suggest "armed madhouse" by greg palast (the author of the above articles)

[lord_casek]

THE FEAR: Including Marines in a tube, learning to speak Terrorist, Bush's Khan job, National Security Document 199-I and Osama's Mission Accomplished.

 

What are you afraid of? Our Fear Salesman-in-Chief has something for everyone.

 

So, Osama Walks into This Bar, See?

 

...and Bush says, "Whad'l'ya have, pardner?" and Osama says...

 

But wait a minute. I'd better shut my mouth. The sign here in the airport says, "Security is no joking matter." But if security's no joking matter, why does this guy dressed in a high-school marching band outfit tell me to take off my shoes? All I can say is, Thank God the "shoe bomber" didn't carry Semtex in his underpants.

 

I'm a bit nervous. It's an "ORANGE ALERT" day. That's a "low threat" notice. According to the press release from the Department of Homeland Security, low-threat Orange means that there will be no special inspections of passengers or cargo today. Isn't it nice of Mr. Bush to alert Osama when half our security forces are given the day off? Hmm. I asked an Israeli security expert why his nation doesn't use these pretty color codes.

 

He asked me if, when I woke up, I checked the day's terror color.

 

"I can't say I ever have. I mean, who would?" He smiled. "The terrorists." America is the only nation on the planet that kindly informs bombers, hijackers and berserkers the days on which they won't be monitored. You've got to get up pretty early in the morning to get a jump on George Bush's team.

 

There are three possible explanations for the Administration's publishing a good-day-for-bombing color guidebook.

 

1. God is on Osama's side.

 

2. George is on Osama's side.

 

3. It's about the oil.

 

A gold star if you picked #3.

 

Osama's Mission Accomplished

 

On Thursday, May 1, 2003, President Bush landed on the deck of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln. Forgetting to undo the parachute clips around his gonads, our President walked bowlegged on the ship's deck in a green jumpsuit looking astonishingly like Ham, first chimp in space. The scene was so exciting that the media failed to notice that the War on Terror had ended on the previous Tuesday.

 

On that day, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld quietly acknowledged that he was withdrawing America's armed forces from Saudi Arabia.

 

I'm always surprised at the debate over "What drives Osama? What does Al-Qaeda want?" There should be no confusion: Al-Qaeda states its mission, like most enterprises, on its Web site. Osama had it written out in English, in capital letters, so it wouldn't be difficult to miss the point.

 

DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE AMERICANS OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES—EXPEL THE INFIDELS FROM THE ARAB PENINSULA The "two holy places" are Mecca and Medina, and their "land" is Saudi Arabia. That's what Osama wanted: U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia.

 

Bin Laden issued his demand on August 23, 1996; and on April 29, 2003, the Tuesday before the President was chauffeured by fighter jet onto the deck of the Abe Lincoln, Mr. Bush gave bin Laden exactly what he wanted: U.S. troops sent packing from the Land of the Holy Places.

 

That's astonishing. Until George W. Bush, the United States of America has never, ever, removed all our military bases from a foreign land no matter how much locals bitched or moaned. We even keep troops in Okinawa over the island's strong objections, and World War II ended sixty years ago.

 

Am I accusing George Bush Jr. of being the first President of the United States to cravenly accede to the demands of terrorists? No, Reagan got there first, in 1984, when he gave in to Hizbollah's demand and ordered our Marines to retreat from Lebanon.

 

No matter, President Bush was correct in announcing, "Mission Accomplished." However, it was not America's mission that was accomplished. It was Osama's.

 

What Does Osama Want?

So what is his mission? What does Osama want? Why kick the U.S. out of Saudi Arabia? When, in March 2003, George Bush told the people of Iraq, "Do not destroy oil wells," his words were heartfelt but hardly original. In bin Laden's 1996 Declaration of War, he warned all good Muslims against: Destruction of the oil industries... I would like here to alert my brothers, to protect this oil wealth and not to include it in the battle.

 

Bin Laden listed other beefs in his Declaration of War. There are some who have the notion that bin Laden, though inexcusably violent, is somehow giving voice to the oppressed. Those who fancy bin Laden as the defender of the wretched of the earth have neither read his writings nor followed his actions. The poor get no column inches in his "Declaration." Creating a Palestinian state? It's not mentioned in his fabulously long screed. Rather, the billionaire scion and former heir to the bin Laden Construction fortune launches into an angry diatribe about, of all things, Saudi Arabia's failure to pay past due invoices owed to: great merchants and contractors [waiting for] hundreds and thousands of millions of riyals owed to them by the government.

 

The House of Saud, it seems, was late in paying bin Laden Construction (which had a huge contract to rebuild Mecca).

 

Bin Laden is no fool; he knew why the Saudi government became a deadbeat bill payer. He was writing in 1996 when the price of oil was flat on the floor, near $10 a barrel, an all-time low; and Osama cried: People wonder, are we the largest oil exporting country? So much oil, so little cash to show for it.

 

What drove Osama's declaration of war? The poverty in Islamic nations? Not a mention. Lack of freedom? Forget it. Bin Laden's causus bellum for war on America: The presence of the U.S.A. Crusader military forces on land, sea and air in the states of the Islamic Gulf is the greatest danger threatening the largest oil reserve in the world.

 

Threatening Islamic oil reserves. Osama even launches a sophisticated tirade against the suppression of oil production by U.S. operators in the Gulf. This wealthy engineer knows the petroleum biz, that's for sure.

 

If you want to know what motivates Osama, follow his path. Long before Al-Qaeda destroyed the World Trade Center, Osama, after removing, with U.S. help, the Soviets from Afghanistan, set up operations in Sudan, where oil men expected to find the next big gusher.

 

Osama's next target was not The Great Satan America but The Little Satan: Iran. In Osama's view, Iranians are Shia "dogs and lackeys" who hold, infuriatingly, OPEC's third largest oil reserves. Osama was especially affronted by Iran's rising influence in Afghanistan at the time, thereby blocking his ability to link up with fundamentalist militants in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan who were fundamentally coveting control of the Caspian nations' oil wealth. Osama expressed his displeasure with Iran's incursion on his turf by ordering the slaughter of the entire Iranian diplomatic mission to Afghanistan. After eliminating his Shia Iranian competitors in Afghanistan, Osama financed the Wahabi-influenced Taliban. Notably, Osama had no objection to the Taliban signing pipeline deals with U.S. oil firms.

 

In other words, if you follow Osama's movements and read what the man says, you realize he has been less coy than Bush about his true program: Get the oil. The steps are: First, remove the Soviets from the Caspian oil fields and pipeline routes; second, remove the man he called an evil "socialist," Saddam Hussein, from the second largest OPEC reserve; third, keep the Shia "dogs" who control the third largest reserve from expanding their influence outside Persia; fourth, remove U.S. troops from the Land of the Holy Places (and largest oil reserve), Saudi Arabia; then fifth and last, overthrow the House of Saud and re-create a new Caliphate stretching from Sudan to Kazakhstan, every province an oil state, a Petroleum Kingdom of God, presumably under His blessed servant and contractor Osama.

 

And so, to protect those reserves—if his foolish "brothers" don't burn the oil wells—he's declared his own Operation Islamic Liberation. O.I.L.

 

What motivates Osama? Same thing as George and Dick. It's all about the oil.

[Theo Huxtable.]

the UN supposedly took that position, but they are also responsible for alot of the wicked crimes in the world (look up the child rape rings, the sex trafficking, etc).

 

do you think the UN has failed in that position?

 

they don't do shit.

 

when hezballah launched rockets into israel, it was supposedly launched from a "un controlled" area with guard posts that have been there since the 80's following the lebanese civil war.

[lord_casek]

do you think the UN has failed in that position?

 

they don't do shit.

 

when hezballah launched rockets into israel, it was supposedly launched from a "un controlled" area with guard posts that have been there since the 80's following the lebanese civil war.

 

 

the UN failed from the beginning of its inception.

[Theo Huxtable.]

could you elaborate as to why you think this.

 

i think its establishment wasn't a failure -- in theory and symbolically was a great idea -- the purpose to maintain diplomatic relations between the states and their governments to prevent future "world wars."

[Stereotype V.0002]

Well it seems everyone would agree the UN in fundamentally fucked up, and everything they are involved in they somehow screw up. When I think of the UN I think of Srebrenica, and the Dutch commander having a cup of coffee with Ratko Mladic. And the US is usually the main power in UN peacekeeping operations when they even happen. Since we are the world’s “super power” the burden sort of comes down to us to be the world’s police. So should we intervene in Darfur, and if so how is it any different than Iraq? My personal opinion is we should intervene, but it is surprising that people who are on the left frequently seem to agree with me there.

[Larry Pubes]

aw look, stereotype is getting all hippy lovefest on darfur. but w0rd sonz of manz, we should intervene in darfur and do so in such a manner that sudan becomes a radioactive, insurgent speckled desert of hopelessness and death.

[Theo Huxtable.]

it isn't already?

[lord_casek]

secret doc.

 

http://media.salon.com/doc/Administrators_WEEKLY_ECONOMIC_REPORT_March28-2004a.doc

 

 

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/05/18/cpa_documents/

[Larry Pubes]

good point, should be easy then, all the us has to do is drop a few thousand DU rounds and shit will be lovely.

[Dawood]

Wow, so Saddam really didn't kill any of his people? You are a wise man dawood. And it may not be rocket science but I am pretty slow, so can you explain to me how teh dubyaz invading Iraq and "killing a few hundred thousand people" is keeping the dollar strong? I thought the dollar was in decline since Iraq.....and I also thought the Euro was still a joke. Thanks in advance.

 

 

can you show me exactly where I said that Saddam didn't kill any of his people? no, ok, then. Next point.

Having U.S. puppets in place in a pivotal middle eastern oil rich country like Iraq seems like an investment to me. Maybe I'm wrong, I guess George Bush is the prince of peace and global stragetic positioning/economics has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq...ooops, My bad.

[Stereotype V.0002]

can you show me exactly where I said that Saddam didn't kill any of his people?

 

Dawood, your original quote is this-

 

"yeah Saddams a murderer, he kills people, look , look...gas chambers, we just found out about them..Cough)) cough)). yeah...we never knew he gassed people"

(your post about the guy who pulled down the statue, and how Saddam was really loved and we were all fed lies is equally applicable)

 

You are right I am putting words in your mouth, I assumed your coughing was a sign of sarcasm, not that you were actually E-coughing. Do you have the birdflu? Seriously can you go 5 minutes without making an ass of yourself? And that was a very insightful and meaningful quote about sock puppets, Maliki definitely goes along with everything we want, like his cozy relationship with Iran, or refusal to divide up powers, and being in bed with al Sadr. We are getting a ton of oil from Iraq too, that explains the low low gas prices. Thank you for setting me on the path of righteousness.

[Stereotype V.0002]

Dear larry,

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q36VmdKkhGk&mode=related&search=

“Last year I went to Iraq. Before team America showed up it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows, and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles!”

 

Seriously though, your standpoint is the blacks are better off dead than having US involvement in the area? That DU, you gotta look out for that stuff. And obviously I was wrong about most lefties wanting to invade Sudan, I also read an oped from a “peace activist” who explained Darfur isn’t a genocide, it’s a war, because that’s how the UN classified it. The Sudanese govt is also just bravely standing up against the imperialist crusader baby killing machine, like iran or putin or saddam. Its the college kids with the trendy "save darfur" shirts, thats throwing me off. Mah B!

 

MATT DAMON!!!!!!!!!

[Larry Pubes]

 

whuuuuuuuuut?

 

dear stereo...i'm just fucking around and being uber cynical in place of offering anything substantial as a solution, because i don't have one that's really been thought out very far. i take it you've had some jack handy moments over solving darfur?

[Dawood]

Dawood, your original quote is this-

 

"yeah Saddams a murderer, he kills people, look , look...gas chambers, we just found out about them..Cough)) cough)). yeah...we never knew he gassed people"

(your post about the guy who pulled down the statue, and how Saddam was really loved and we were all fed lies is equally applicable)

 

You are right I am putting words in your mouth, I assumed your coughing was a sign of sarcasm, not that you were actually E-coughing. Do you have the birdflu? Seriously can you go 5 minutes without making an ass of yourself? And that was a very insightful and meaningful quote about sock puppets, Maliki definitely goes along with everything we want, like his cozy relationship with Iran, or refusal to divide up powers, and being in bed with al Sadr. We are getting a ton of oil from Iraq too, that explains the low low gas prices. Thank you for setting me on the path of righteousness.

 

Seriously, Is this friggin' guy stereotype serious? I say I like cheeseburgers , he says in response, "well, your last post where you said you like to kill cows and drink their blood."

Because, yeah, that's exactly what I was saying, everyone loved Saddam, and he never killed anyone, that's the exact point I was making.

 

 

what an ass. Please don't direct anymore comments to me, man, I'm allergic to you.

[WORDISM45]

yo stereotype if you seriously think the fact that it costs you more money to fill up your car than it did ten years ago is evidence that the iraq war wasn't waged for oil and corporate profiteering, but instead for the 'freedom and liberty of the iraqi people' then you are completely lost

[Stereotype V.0002]

I say I like cheeseburgers , he says in response, "well, your last post where you said you like to kill cows and drink their blood."

 

This analogy was mad analogous. Respect!

 

Yum, as far as my thoughts on the corporate fat cats, Tim Robbins in the above link sums up my thoughts pretty eloquently. Yes, gas costs more now than it did 10 years ago, but since the Iraq war began there has been a dramatic ongoing increase of petroleum prices, not consistent with the previous cost growth. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/a103600002m.htm If we are getting more, cheap oil/stolen free oil, wouldn’t it have the opposite effect? I’m not saying oil wasn’t a huge factor in the invasion of Iraq, but a lot of things don’t add up into it being a nefarious plan of the freemasons and CEOs who conspired in a dungeon somewhere to steal all of the oil. Overthrowing a minority group in control is only going to empower the majority, who happen to be good friends with Iran (most of the leadership used to be in exile there.) That, and the instability there, is bad news for our number one source of oil and good friends the Saudis. Based on the lagging decrepit, vulnerable petroleum industry, and the fact that more pirated oil is probably being exported from Iraq than anything else(EDIT - with the exception of refugees), makes it seem like oil is less than a priority for the US. So like I said I think it was a big factor to invade because they thought there was going to be a nice democratic oil rich ally right in the middle of all of our enemies, and I think more importantly the admin took advantage of 911 to get rid of Saddam and scare other regimes/potentially go after them next. The democracy project seems a little unnecessary if our only goal was to steal oil, we could have easily just guarded the pipelines or stayed in Kurdistan while the rest of the country implodes. Maybe a society living in the stone age isn’t ready for democracy, lesson learned.

[Theo Huxtable.]

[Stereotype V.0002]

hahahahahahahahaha

[oc80]

i..we are not the world police. the UN supposedly took that position, but they are also responsible for alot of the wicked crimes in the world (look up the child rape rings, the sex trafficking, etc).

 

 

real talk. saw this in bosnia.

 

as a muslim living in america, i have a few opinions about sadaam..

 

1. i am not iraqi, so my opinions are those simply of a sunni muslim from america.

2. sadaam divided the ummah (muslim nation, serious stuff).

3. by taking these weapons from the americans, and by being placed in power by the US, he is in violation of Islamic Law (something he carred little for, he was a communist before it was more popular to be a moderate muslim). taking non-believers as protectors is out of bounds.

4. he should have been hung (beheaded actually), once iraq was no longer occupied, convicted by a SUNNI islamic court.

5. Shias don't have the authority in my humble opinion, since they chose to set themselves apart from the ummah (islamic community), so i call foul.

6 sadaam only died for getting loud, and shooting al qassam rockets at Israel, may God swallow it in fire.

 

that's what i think. and any graf writer who joined the military is the straight up police.. and a racist. that shit is on it's way back here soon enough. waith till the ptsd zombies climb the belltowers.. the COs there are OUT OF CONTROL

on everything.

[lord_casek]

one thing, some (most) of our good american troops, the men and women who believe in this country, are only doing their jobs. what they think is right. "defending our country"

don't lump them in with who they work for. support them just as patriots.

 

"forgive them lord, for they know not what they do"

[Theo Huxtable.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0

 

Former-Muslim woman speaks out on Islam and their radicals.

[Juan Fuentes]

not islam,she says is not religion its civilization,and she is right muslims sometimes like the rest of the world hold on to something they dont need,like the backwards supersticious mind some still have,but the other end,the capitalist empire neither is good,they love that muslim world ignorance and support the mullahs to led people to be what they are,not all of them fall for it,but the number is large.

[Dawood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0

 

Former-Muslim woman speaks out on Islam and their radicals.

 

 

what? do I need to go google the 2355146464367 christians who reverted to Islam?

 

What's that all about THeo...what point were you trying to make?

[Dawood]

3. by taking these weapons from the americans, and by being placed in power by the US, he is in violation of Islamic Law (something he carred little for, he was a communist before it was more popular to be a moderate muslim). taking non-believers as protectors is out of bounds.

.

 

This has nothing to do with Saddam, but...

 

Just to be clear. The proper understanding of the verse that says do not take them as friends and protectors means # 1 not to take them as friends and protectors against the muslims. It does not mean muslims are not allowed to be friendly with our co workers or do business with them. Also, it does not mean muslims are not allowed to seek the protection of the kuffar if the need arises, remember the christian king from Abbisynia when the muslims were being persecuted by the pagan Quraish? The prophet sent them there for asylum from the pagans of mecca. Also, If Saddam bought weapons from America, that doesn't automatically put him in violation of the Islamic law. His main violations were his beleif in Communism and denial of the qadr (decree). Also, along with him erecting statues of himself. These were his biggest issues in terms of his belief. Not to mention is rediculous tyranny. Allah knows best what he died upon, though, he said the shahada before he died and only Allah knows what his true condition really was.

[Theo Huxtable.]

what? do I need to go google the 2355146464367 christians who reverted to Islam?

 

What's that all about THeo...what point were you trying to make?

 

 

she makes great points. islamics destroyed ancient buddhist statues that were sacred to buddhism. buddhists have never bombed islamic shrines or declared any holy war on muslims. if anything, buddhists are probably the most peaceful religious group that i've ever done research on. muslims call buddhists infidels and disrespect their relgiion. buddhists do no such thing to muslims.

 

people "revert" to other religions all of the time. the difference is that islam is the religion most associated with terrorism today. i don't know why that arab woman disbanded from islam, as there wasn't much info about her personally in that vide, but if i were to make an assessment based off her statements, i'm assuming her decision to leave had to do with the barbarism, terrorism, the mistreatment of women, and the chauvinistic, bigoted, disrespectful attitude towards non-muslim religions. she's right -- jews don't walk into muslim schools and blow themselves up. christians don't walk into muslim restaurants and blow themselves up.

 

another thing that pissed me off was a recent circumstance in regards to the group of muslims who were planning to blow up buildings in toronto (they were captured a few months ago) -- the muslim that tipped the police about these radical muslims and their plans, was widely ridiculed by other so-called "moderate" muslims as being a "snitch."

 

when even the moderate passively support islamic terrorism on non-muslim religions, then i begin to think that there is perhaps something inherently wrong within islam.

 

which is what i don't want to do, because then i become like the muslims -- disrespecting other religions and "damning" them.

 

i now see why people are now referring to many islamics as being "fascists."

[Dawood]

first off, the only reason this woman would leave islam is because she is ignorant of it. Ignorant of the religion itself. The very fact that she left islam because of the actions of some other "people" shows that she was never a sincere believer in Islam in the first place.

 

Now, as for disrespecting other religions or damning them, well, I beleive wholeheartedly that nobody who doesn't die as a muslim will enter paradise and will be ultimately punished for rejecting the one who created you and sustained your life in every aspect, everyday.

 

As for damning them, it's not my call, but I do have a beleif based on text.

 

As for Muslims walking into restaurants and schools blowing themselves up, we're talking about one region, one specific group of people who are living under everyday occupation. You have no clue what you might do in that situation, although, terrorism of any form is never condoned in Islam. I've said it over and over, showed proof after proof.

 

Someday, hopefully we as people will get over this whole Islam vs. the west phenomonon.

 

Until then, I'm starting to feel certain i can do better things with my life than re-iterate myself over and over on crossfire.