serum Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 but its not belton and and montana that distributes the paint inside america. its writers and people that are business minded. belton makes their money either way. distributers are not going to go legit in order to put their paint into stores. thestores could easily just go to montana or belton directly and skip over the middlemen. i think they could compete but they would have to go through the legal hoops in order to get their paint into the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 yeah and you need a ladder to reach the shit.... or a key.... i wouldnt know, i buy all my paint. usually a palette a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKISM Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Even when you consider racking losses, lots of paint gets sold. Most is not to writers, contrary to writer belief, because there's simply a gazillion more people painting that odd bookshelf than there is writers, period. Not true. And any "statistic" you might find would be false due to the fact that who the hell anounces that they're buying the cans for graffiti? And how many people painting a bookshelf go through hundreds of cans each... year after year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKISM Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 aren't we the reason why some colors get discontinued? like for example the old school fed colors. stores couldnt but them any more because of them being racked all the time so manufacturers had to discontinue them? just a hunch. Good point. Makes me wonder if it's the retailers bitching about certain cans being racked and not others that is behind this switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazeroks Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 We live in a nation of hypocrates starting from the commander n chief. We didnt go to war to be the good guys and stop evil Sadam, we just wanted his pussy oil. No American corporation will ever admit publically that they getting rich from crime. Krylon is making shit lots of money from graffiti, and how do they hide it by spending a few dollars and some "graffiti hurts campaign" that i only seen in their website. Its all about money and quotas. If people dont graffiti, sales quotas arent ment , stocks for the company falls, and ceos cant buy homes rich hoods where graffiti dont exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En Sabah Nur Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 i'm not reading this thread, so i don't know if anyone said it already, but that's why they stopped making jungle green. i saw that PT or AA is now making a lime greenish color. i stopped doing anything related to graffiti (outside of 12oz) so i didn't get any, but i was interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTheWrongWords Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 We live in a nation of hypocrates starting from the commander n chief. We didnt go to war to be the good guys and stop evil Sadam, we just wanted his pussy oil. No American corporation will ever admit publically that they getting rich from crime. Krylon is making shit lots of money from graffiti, and how do they hide it by spending a few dollars and some "graffiti hurts campaign" that i only seen in their website. Its all about money and quotas. If people dont graffiti, sales quotas arent ment , stocks for the company falls, and ceos cant buy homes rich hoods where graffiti dont exist. Youre 26 years old and youre talking like a 15 year old who just discovered 'this world is fucked'. Yes nigga i saw your myspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azert Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I read the title as "Gravity's effect on paint manufacturers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STYLEISKING Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Have you ever thought about where the spraycan comes from? -What kind of genious came up with the idea to put paint in a tin can with an intricate system to spread out paint evenly on any kind of surface? -I'll tell you: His name was Erik Rotheim, an egineer from the cold country called Norway. His first patent is dated October the 8th 1926! That makes the spraycan 75 years old! Although in the swedish book called "Spray konst" they claim that the spraycan was invented by the Americans during world war 2. Obviously this is not the case! The spraycan is as Norwegian as Helly Hansen... Knowledge is king! motip-dupli color company has papers on decorating 2nd worldwar military equipment around 1945! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 do you think marc ecko racks paint when he paints 747s? lol...not just any 747 either....air force one..ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Pretty sure that the hundreds of thousands of contracters and construction companies buy a lot of spray paint, as well. They aren't putting those cans up for graffiti writers, not in secret and not publicly. I know for a fact that the military buys boatloads of spray paint, in all it's branches. Ex-Coast Guard, current psycho ex-roommate told me about how they had a whole cabinet full of spray paint and always being re-stocked and if it weren't for the fact that it was military-owned he would have grabbed some (pussy-shit). They used it for fixing up boats, life-boats, and on the dozens of buoys on a daily basis. Unless all these people are also painting sick, 20-color burners on the side, then graffiti writers probably, at best, make up about 3-5% of the paint market. Canvas artists probably make up about that, too. And to back up seeking's earlier response about how spray paint has been around much longer than 10 years pre-graf: "Robert Abplanalp - Valve Crimp In 1949, 27-year-old Robert H. Abplanalp’s invention of a crimp on valve enabled liquids to be sprayed from a can under the pressure of an inert gas. Spray cans, mainly containing insecticides, were available to the public in 1947 as a result of their use by U.S. soldiers for preventing insect-borne diseases. Abplanalp’s invention made of lightweight aluminum made the cans a cheap and practical way to dispense liquids foams, powders, and creams. In 1953, Robert Abplanal patented his crimp-on valve "for dispensing gases under pressure." His Precision Valve Corporation was soon earning over $100 million manufacturing one billion aerosol cans annually in the United States and one-half billion in 10 other countries. In the mid-1970s, concern over the use of fluorocarbons adversely effecting the ozone layer drove Abplanalp back into the lab for a solution. Substituting water-soluble hydrocarbons for the damaging fluorocarbons created an environmentally friendly aerosol can that did not harm the environment. This put the manufacture of aerosol spray can products into high gear. Robert Abplanal invented both the first clog-free valve for spray cans and the "Aquasol" or pump spray, which used water-soluble hydrocarbons as the propellant source. Spray Paint in a Can In 1949, canned spray paint was invented by Edward Seymour, the first paint color was aluminum. Edward Seymour's wife Bonnie suggested the use of an aerosol can filled with paint. Edward Seymour founded Seymour of Sycamore, Inc. of Chicago, USA, to manufacture his spray paints." http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/aerosol.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLT CUTTERS Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 of course these companies know where a good bulk of their product is heading. however im pretty sure they are clueless as to what goes into it. like most non-writers, they probably just think graffiti is done with the paint, it doesnt matter what kinda cap is on the can. we are just spraying the walls. the reason why they changed the caps for AA and painters touch is because of how they are trying to market those cans. unlike regular rusto which is marketed for 'industrial' applications, AA and PT are marketed towards the 40 year old woman who wants to paint the bench in her garden. thats why those cans are more attractive in that aspect. rusto is no frills. AA and PT cans are pretty. thats also why they are starting to come out with all those pretty colors. now if krylon was smart they would come out with a brand of 'made for art' spray paint like montana or belton, considering that their paint is mainly sold in art stores anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKISM Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Spray Paint in a Can In 1949, canned spray paint was invented by Edward Seymour, the first paint color was aluminum. Edward Seymour's wife Bonnie suggested the use of an aerosol can filled with paint. Edward Seymour founded Seymour of Sycamore, Inc. of Chicago, USA, to manufacture his spray paints."[/b] http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/aerosol.htm Have you ever thought about where the spraycan comes from? -What kind of genious came up with the idea to put paint in a tin can with an intricate system to spread out paint evenly on any kind of surface? -I'll tell you: His name was Erik Rotheim, an egineer from the cold country called Norway. His first patent is dated October the 8th 1926! That makes the spraycan 75 years old! Although in the swedish book called "Spray konst" they claim that the spraycan was invented by the Americans during world war 2. Obviously this is not the case! The spraycan is as Norwegian as Helly Hansen... Knowledge is king! motip-dupli color company has papers on decorating 2nd worldwar military equipment around 1945! ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKISM Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I thought it was in the thirties. I do know that silver was the first color though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKISM Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 of course these companies know where a good bulk of their product is heading. however im pretty sure they are clueless as to what goes into it. like most non-writers, they probably just think graffiti is done with the paint, it doesnt matter what kinda cap is on the can. Maybe writers should email them complaining. Claiming to be legal eagles of course. "I'm a legal graffiti artist. And your new caps are preventing me from "buying" your paint. As I'm sure it is the rest of the graffiti community both legal and illegal. Which is probably at least 80% of your profits." ^Sounds about right. I'm sure if they got a couple thousand of those they'd switch back with the quickness. Espescially after seeing the drop in sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 "if you doubt me brah, you better out me brah..." A torchiere lamp? Really? Oh boy... Oh yeah, caps and colors and whose buying more spraypaint... uh, who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLT CUTTERS Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 the people who use it, i would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 jokers point is that 'if there is a will, there is a way'. there will always be a way in which to get your name up. complaining about the ways you can't do it, is less effective than thinking of ways in which you can. this thread is dumb and most of you are delusional. delusional is my new favorite word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En Sabah Nur Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 wait, they make spray paint in a can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 new caps suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTheWrongWords Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Exacto knife them bitches. Stick it in and twist, it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKISM Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Exacto knife them bitches. Stick it in and twist, it works.[/size][/center][/b][/color] Pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest R@ndomH3ro Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Step by Step Guide to your PAINT HACKZ?? NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paint2metal Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Why do I get feeling that anyone who says this new valve system and its caps are good have no shit running on the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paint2metal Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 and I tried that exacto knife thing and it did'nt work. It made that shit spray out like a chisel cap. Ive also put female caps on it from Lysol , Upholestry cleaner and Spray Starch and none sprayed out any wider. Yet they write fat on the cleaners themselves. Im wondering if these cans even have enough pressure now that they are any angle to paint with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy McGay Gay Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 emailed to rusto: This message is intended to reach a sales analysis specialist, I have a question that you might be able to answer. I am a graduate student at Sacramento State University California. I am doing an in-depth study on graffiti. One question that has come up multiple times is whether spray paint companies know the exact portion of their sales and stolen product goes to the hands of vandals. Any statistics or some insider insight, at the very least, would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely John Peterson XXXXXX@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy McGay Gay Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 ill update on any responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew Blum Posted January 25, 2007 Author Share Posted January 25, 2007 somebody made a good point about the new AAs: the cans are much more artsy fartsy looking now, which i can only assume is aimed at old lady craftsters and art stencil canvas types. even with all the people buying paint for their patios and lawnmowers, the contracters and the military uses people have been mentioning, i still feel graffiti has to be where a pretty substantial amount of the paint is going. you can factor in graffiti removal as well, although i know thats more on the bucket tip. think back to the garage raids of youth: in my experience it was always basic colors that the average person had kicking around: black, silver, white etc., and they were usually the cheap ass shit. as dope as it is i dont think theres a whole lot of average consumers hunting down key lime or berry pink as opposed to plain old flat black. speaking of berry pink, it mysteriously disappeared from just about every store in my area for 2 years and then just recently came back. i was stoked. another thing: i think just about each of us knows one or more people who has done the old shopping car trick. just about all my buddies have tried it at least once, and one of em was able to roll out 3 on one trip. thats anywhere from 20 to 70 cans per cart. thats gotta be more than even the largest legit consumer of spray paint. im sure graff consumption is more of a regional thing, although with the freight explosion its harder to write off the midwest and other more rural areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r o n d a Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 20 - 70 can carts? if you're gonna push a cart you might as well do it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTheWrongWords Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 and I tried that exacto knife thing and it did'nt work. It made that shit spray out like a chisel cap. Ive also put female caps on it from Lysol , Upholestry cleaner and Spray Starch and none sprayed out any wider. Yet they write fat on the cleaners themselves. Im wondering if these cans even have enough pressure now that they are any angle to paint with. Well patience helps. As for sikism, yes maybe not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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