lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 i thought you knew that corporate news such as CNN and the washington times were part of the propaganda agenda??? But you only choose to believe these are fair and accurate sources when they are at your own convinience. no. what i believe is that the corporate elite control the news to some extent. what i also believe is that sometimes the best information is buried in the back pages of the paper or in blurbs on television, etc. what i think you're doing is trying to cover your ass because you know i'm right about what i say. what i think is that you are the nutjob for defending something that is breaking the spine of my country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 U.S. pays for care of illegal aliens Treatment money for border states THE NEW YORK TIMES | May 10, 2005 By ROBERT PEAR WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration said yesterday that it would start paying hospitals and doctors for providing emergency care to illegal immigrants. The money, totaling $1 billion, will be available for services provided from today through September 2008. Congress provided the money as part of the 2003 law that expanded Medicare to cover prescription drugs, but the new payments have nothing to do with the Medicare program. Members of Congress from border states had sought the money. They said treatment of illegal immigrants imposed a huge financial burden on many hospitals, which are required to provide emergency care to patients who need it, regardless of their immigration status or ability to pay. Under the new program, hospitals are supposed to ask patients for documents to substantiate payment claims. But Dr. Mark McClellan, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said a hospital should not directly ask a patient "if he or she is an undocumented alien." Instead, he said, hospitals can try to establish a patient's status by analyzing the answers to "indirect questions": Is the person eligible for Medicaid? (If so, payment is generally not available under the new program.) Has the person reported a foreign place of birth? Does the person have a border-crossing card like those issued to Mexican citizens? Does the person have a foreign passport, a foreign driver's license or a foreign identification card? The Bush administration abandoned a proposal that would have required many hospitals to ask patients if they were U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. "In no circumstances are hospitals required to ask people about their citizenship status," McClellan said yesterday. Hospital executives and immigrant rights groups had said such questions would deter illegal immigrants from seeking care and could lead to serious public health problems by increasing the spread of communicable diseases. Cecilia Munoz, a vice president of the National Council of La Raza, a Latino civil rights group, said the new requirements were an improvement over the original proposal but would still discourage some immigrants from seeking treatment. "Hospitals will have to ask confusing, highly technical questions about immigration documents," Munoz said. "That will create a perception in the Latino community that you have to show your papers in order to get emergency care. That's a misperception, but it may be enough to deter some people from seeking care." The new program is run by the Department of Health and Human Services. McClellan said the department would not provide information about illegal immigrants to law enforcement officials for use in "routine civil immigration proceedings." But in rare cases, he said, the information may be used in criminal investigations. The largest allocations this fiscal year are going to California, which will receive $70.8 million; Texas, $46 million; Arizona, $45 million; New York, $12.3 million; Illinois, $10.3 million; Florida, $8.7 million; and New Mexico, $5.1 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 well, our economy is slowly collapsing, so i can see mexico going first. that will have a domino effect on us. the cfr papers that i've read say that these events will usher in the "amero". cashless society, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 indeed. you seem to be far more educated on the intricacies of economy, etc. good stuff. you're very well read. sadly, i am not educated in such things as well as i'd like to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 I'm not nearly as educated on these matters as I'd like to be either. It's essentially a necessity to understand political economics as it is the dominant school of thought in our times. As monolithic as capital has become, I find encouragement in those adopting anarchist principles, like the New Bolivarians. After all, the anarchist critique of socialism turned out to be accurate, since socialism was undone by it's own authoritarianism and competitiveness (both the province of capital). too true. i've got a grasp on it that helps it make sense, but there is a point where i begin to get confused. so much information is available to us these days, it's hard to keep it all straight in ones head. can you imagine what it's like for IRS attorneys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 i agree somewhat. although, i don't know if anarchy would do it. i don't know that any system we could ever have would be the correct one. it all gets clusterfucked by our human-ness. some of us, unfortunately desire more and more power. and those with like minds, seem to flock together. you ever read any of that straussian shit? guy from chicago univ.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Tamales are actually made of corn dough not animal lard, dumbshit. But is disgusting to know that even tho you thought it was pure animal lard you went ahead and ate it anyways. . Actually tamales are made with lard usually, though it's not absolutely necessary. It's not a whole lot though. You're right that it is made with mostly cornmeal, but Lard is way better for you than Crisco though and half the weird shit that most people put in their bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 Well that's the entire point of anarchy is so that power does not collect and that it is spread evenly, no single person could fuck it up for us then. Yeah I'm familiar with Strauss, the neocon head cheese. I heard an interview with a former student of his who was breaking down the philosophy from the inside. I wish I could find it now.... mm.... tamales... you guys are making me hungry... that attorney? yeah, i heard that. excellent interview. that is indeed where most of the fucktards are coming from. got the point of anarchism, but woulodn't being a libertarian be somewhat the same thing? of course i realize it's not the same thing, but doesn't libertarianism follow alot of the same philosophies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Tamales are actually made of corn dough not animal lard, dumbshit. But is disgusting to know that even tho you thought it was pure animal lard you went ahead and ate it anyways. is there a reason why you're so angry? did i call you any names yet? one, i never said tamales were "pure animal lard." secondly, i stated in the form of a question, i didn't pretend to know. three, yes after looking it up, traditional tamales are indeed cooked in animal lard. you can substitute it with olive oil. and before you go on your "whiteboy" racist tirade, i'm not white. you're the most racist person on here. a mexican friend of mine from chicago once told me that his people are the most racist people on earth. and looking at your posts, i can see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 You also need to stop lying to yourself and everyone by saying the "illegals" convert to crime and gangbangin, thats just absurd. If they were all criminals and gangsters then why the fuck would raids be made in hundreds of companies around the country by the federal government. Shouldnt they be lookin for them in the street corners of the barrios then? I live in L.A., and there are some gangs in which 60% of its members are illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 Well there are many, many different types of anarchy. And one of the names for anarchy is social libertarianism as a matter of fact. Libertarianism however is probably most closely related to individualist or autonomist versions of anarchy. Many anarchist theories are community oriented since classical anarchy originated along with socialist ideas before they diverged. thank you. that makes alot of sense. i'm going to read into anarchy a little more. every day i'm alive is another day i realize i knew one less thing that i should probably know more about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 holla at me white boy, i'll personally show you evidence that "native tribes" werent "wiped out", but then again you might think it was a ghost who just beat the shit out of you. Read above, maybe you ignorant mind will learn something. Holla at deez nuts, stupid fuck. Come and "beat the shit out of me" with your internet-tough talk. See, you have it all twisted. Let me tell you like it is, white boy: empty threats like the ones you make, and asshole-ish fight remarks to anyone who disagrees with you (ie. everyone) is real ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 "Well there are many, many different types of anarchy. And one of the names for anarchy is social libertarianism as a matter of fact. Libertarianism however is probably most closely related to individualist or autonomist versions of anarchy. Many anarchist theories are community oriented since classical anarchy originated along with socialist ideas before they diverged." being a hardcore individualist myself, i find myself on the same side as many anarchist arguments. i only agree where they overlap, and generally cant get into the rest of thier ideology. im not an anarchist, but i do have sympathy for a capitalist anarchist society, even though i totally recognize its downfalls and disadvantages. i still have faith in the classical liberal theories on government, and believe they could still work. maybe im just practicing wishful thinking. my take is that tellurian is a libertarian socialist, which in my view is a redundancy. but they do offer some good theories for the discussion table. casek, if you want to get into some hardcore libertarian literature... look up albert jay nock. you can go to mises.org or lewrockwell.com and do a search. they have most of his books available free online at mises. "our enemy the state.' is his best known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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