bokals.. Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... only losers go to school... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... only losers go to school... would you like fries with that shake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phax Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... hahaha there's other jobs besides food service that you can get without going to art school... i just haven't found one yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... That's what my ex with the art degree is doing. Not at McDonald's, though. (I should talk, I need a job.) Seriously, going to school and getting an engineering degree makes almost ANYTHING possible. Harvey, all the kids I was hanging out with then were amazing artists. They knew most of their basic theory going into the institute. Here's the hustle. Art school teaches you art history, comparative analysis (critique), and it sort of shows you what to expect from the gallery enviroment. They do show you some theory, but it's not much compared to what most people would probably think. If you know that going into it, and are prepared to learn something completely different than from what you expected, then you'll be fine. TWIST (and my ex for that matter) went in wanting to learn about art history, so that worked for them. But for some kid who is starting out with little to no technique, the same amount of discipline, and a skewed idea of what art school is about, well, they'll take his money....but if he's not really there to learn, he'll be out of there after the first year. Besides, it's far more romantic to take what's left of the loan money, buy a bunch of blow with it and tell everyone you dropped out because they "didn't understand what you were trying to say." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydoses Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... if you are interested in art, i say you get your 2 year degree at a good technical college or something similar, that way you can finish up a 4 year at an art school if that is what you wish. this will combine 2 great and very different education styles, the tech aspect, and then followed with the theory aspect of an art school. art school's don't waste their time teaching you the tools you need to know to create something, a lot of people don't understand that before they sign up. just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... hahaha there's other jobs besides food service that you can get without going to art school... i just haven't found one yet. All my friends who make decent money never went to college or dropped out when they did. I know a few people who went to University of Chicage, Pratt and other higher end schools and none of them are doing anything in their fields of study and most make no money at all... Send me money and I'll teach you how to draw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... ^Exactly what SpreadAIDS said. This is seemingly totally off the subject, but I recently started rereading "Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig. If you happen to see a copy of this laying around, it's well worth checking out. Among other things, it's about the percieved differences between art and technology. I'll spoil this for some of you- they're not as huge as you may think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... As far as American art schools go, RISD seems to be one of the best ones. SFAI is about an 8/10, RISD is 10/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notyourboy Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... ART SCHOOLS TEACH YOU TO DO ART, NOT TO TAKE THAT TRAINING AND DO GRAFF AND CLAIM "I DON'T WEAR TIGHT CHICK PANTS, I DON'T RIDE A FIX GEAR, I PUT MYSELF THRU ART SCHOOL". FIRST OFF, NO YOU DID'NT, MOMMY AND DADDY PAID FOR YOUR SHIT, AND NOW YOU RIDE REAL GRAFF WRITERS COAT TAILS. SOME GOOD ARTISTS AND WRITERS COME OUT OF ART SCHOOL, TWIST, IS AN EXAMPLE AS MENTIONED BEFORE. ART SCHOOL FAGS LIKE ATARI, WHO CLAIM TO BE HARDCORE AND IN TEH GAME FOR YEARS . YEARS MAYBE, HARDCORE; MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NO !!!!!!1. JUST BECAUSE YOU LEARNED TO DO A DROP SHADOW FROM MR. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH PROFESSOR IN CLASS. DOES NOT MAKE YOU A WRITER. GO TO SCHOOL AND BETTER YOURSELF. YOU CAN HAVE THAT MILLION DOLLAR JOB AFTER HIGH SCHOOL, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER 8-10 YEARS OF SCHOOL AND THEN WORK FOR BURGER KING FOR A YEAR, THEN MAYBE GET THAT JOB. YEAH THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD DO AS WELL. NOT!!!!1. LEARN TO WORK WITH YOUR HANDS, LEARN TO BUILD SOMETHING, DIG A FUCKIN DITCH, LEARN TO RUN COPPER PIPE, LEARN FRAMING. BOOK SMART OR STREET SMART, GIVE ME THE STREETS. OI-WORKING CLASS. FUCK ALL YOU HIPSTER, SLACKERS OF THE WANNA-BE 80'S GENERATION, ROCKIN YOUR $210.00 GLOW IN THE DARK FUCKIN PINK, GREEN, YELLOW AND BROWN REEBOKS, CHROME MESSENGER BAG (ALL RESPECT TO CHROME BAGS), TRACK SHOES, BAMBI TATTOOS, OR EMO "I'M SO SAD" PHRASES TATTOOED ON YOUR ARMS. YOU ARE ALL A WASTE OF A GOOD FLESH SUIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad_news Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... learn to slang rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... SUAVEFELLAPART2 had a lot to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phax Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... I really want to goto school to learn animation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... I want to learn REanimation... like dead to living... I mean, we have the technology, it CAN be done... Seriously, I FIEND to be the REcreator of REanimated Cat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... *To be sold as "My Kitty Rots-A-Lot" (Copyright protected, pat3nt p3nding) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... I really want to goto school to learn animation... if you want to learn animation i suggest using your money to buy your own equipment, software, and books and just teach yourself. most schools have a waiting list for using the equipment , shit always breaks down, and everyone that i went to school with was a star wars nerd that couldnt draw to save their lives. while i was drawing they were having light saber battles. even then everything necessary for an animation job will have to be taught at the studio anyways. the only thing you need to make is a demo reel which can be made from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... unless of course you're rich and live in cali. then i would suggest going to one of the expensive schools like calarts so you can make the necessary contacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phax Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... word. you seem to know what you're talking about. the arts and animation programs i looked at at the two AI schools i visited (boston and san fran) looked pretty good though. you have any recomendations on books/software?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serum Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... well it depends on what kind of animation you want to get into. for 2d cel type animation get a good computer, a wacom cintiq monitor, this is used to draw directly on the monitor since paper isnt being used anymore and its much quicker. then youll need a digital inking and x sheet program. i like retaspro! it has everything you need. plus if you bought your own stuff it would still be cheaper than going to school for 4 years. there are other cheapo programs out there that you could download for free but get the professional shit. for 3d i'd suggest researching a company out first and find what they are looking for. some like maya some like softimage, some like lightwave... but all in all they pretty much just use their own java software anyways. to be safe, maya is for video games and 3d anime, softimage is for film effects and 3d anime. again the software isnt cheap but if you get the foundation package for 2grand that is still cheaper than what youd spend on a semester of school. now if a BA is your goal then by all means get it but it doesnt make a difference. all companies hire according to festival hype, contacts and demo reels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... Talent helps, too. Definitely look into what serum said. Anything that you learn on your own can always be applied in school later. If I had gone to school five years ago to learn about computers, I would have gotten real bored, real fast. But, I think that I'd be actually motivated not by grades but by the actual coursework and knowledge. So, that's what I'm interested now....going and taking some BSD/Unix extension courses at Berkeley sounds pretty exciting. To me, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rental Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... art school is expensive because theyre all private schools. in my classes we would have critiques, and 75% of the people had no talent, not even.. could possible have talent with some work...they completely sucked, were not artistic at all.. what a fucking waste of money uh, well, you were going to a community college. people are doing general ed units, people have no experience at all, and theres people just taking classes for the fun of it. but of course there are always no talent shit heads that think theyre pros. and who cares who's in your class if the teachers good and you learn a lot. just find the good teachers. I'd like to know if anyone has ever done anything with an art school degree, cause I sure haven't seen it. i know/have met many people that have careers with a ba or mfa in art. all of the million dollar artists have gone to the top schools in the country. aka places like yale. currently, i think the top 3 schools, according to newsweek, are yale, columbia and ucla. so, im sure schools like columbia cant be completely bad when it is a top school in the country. same goes for sfai and aic. sfai, in particular is for teaching students what it is going to be like to work as an artist, and all the opportunities are there if you take them. it is not just good for art history. ive never even met someone who did art history there. and it seems like twist got a little more from attending than that. they do expect you to have the fundamentals down. although it does have a lot of romantic rich kids attending just for the fuck of it. like a dude i know was working in the business office, and kids would come in with credit cards their parents gave them and put 25k on it at a time like it aint no thang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... He (TWIST) probably did get more out of SFAI than a massive crater in his pocketbook, but...as I said, he's a unique case. Most kids seem to think that art school is a means to an end. Pay the money, show up, get your degree. Congratulations, you are now an artist....not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I was born here Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... they teach can control in art school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... No, that's a rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Wallbanger Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... I agree about RISD being a great art school. Giant is another good example of someone who had talent to begin with, but really developed a definitive style by going to school... although with him, it was for architecture, which led to that very structured, symmetrical style that he was rocking in the 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunktionOne Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... I've been considering an art school for a long time now, I think I'm just gonna go to barber school instead and charge $200 a haircut.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AT AT Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... ok or you can do good paintings and sell them for thousands . be my guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handbone Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: san francisco art institute... Only schools in US are RISD Maybe Pratt & Cooper Union just came back from RI, second biggest workload in the country next to MIT doesnt mean its not infested with horrible "artists" and fake ass hipsters fuck art tho... its all about design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SukiSukiNow Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: san rancisco fart institoot... i was just wondering how many of you spent time in this school? im considering going back after a 5 year hiatus. hmmm i remember when you were going to that school... why don't you try the academy this time around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroCool Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I wouldnt consider that a plus chipotle sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
count chocula Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 the academy's "only plus" is all them hoes in the fashion department i dig them yee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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