SUR X3 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Girl, 13, charged as sex offender and victim By Pamela Manson The Salt Lake Tribune Article Last Updated:12/06/2006 01:12:35 AM MST Salt Lake City - Utah Supreme Court justices acknowledged Tuesday that they were struggling to wrap their minds around the concept that a 13-year-old girl could be both an offender and a victim for the same act - in this case, having consensual sex with her 12-year-old boyfriend. The Ogden, Utah, girl was put in this odd position because she was found guilty of violating a state law that prohibits sex with someone under age 14. She also was the victim in the case against her boyfriend, who was found guilty of the same violation by engaging in sexual activity with her. "The only thing that comes close to this is dueling," said Associate Chief Justice Michael Wilkins, noting that two people who take 20 paces and then shoot could each be considered both victim and offender. And Chief Justice Christine Durham wondered if the state Legislature had intended the "peculiar consequence" that a child would have the simultaneous status of a protected person and an alleged perpetrator under the law. The comments came in oral arguments on a motion asking the high court to overturn the finding of delinquency - the legal term in juvenile court for a conviction - against Z.C., who became pregnant after she and her boyfriend engaged in sex in October 2003. State authorities filed delinquency petitions in July 2004, alleging that each had committed sexual abuse of a child, a second-degree felony if committed by an adult. The girl appealed the petition, saying her constitutional right to be treated equally under the law had been violated. Her motion noted that for juveniles who are 16 and 17, having sex with others in their own age group does not qualify as a crime. Juveniles who are 14 or 15 and have sex with peers can be charged with unlawful conduct with a minor, but the law provides for mitigation when the age difference is less than four years, making the offense a misdemeanor. For adolescents under 14, though, there are no exceptions or mitigation and they are never considered capable of consenting to sex. A juvenile court judge denied the motion by Z.C., who then admitted to the offense while preserving her right to appeal to a higher court. The boy did not appeal. The Utah Court of Appeals last December upheld the judge's refusal to dismiss the allegation, saying the law's "rigorous protections" for younger minors include protecting them for each other. Z.C. then appealed to the state Supreme Court. At Tuesday's arguments, Matthew Bates, an assistant Utah attorney general, argued the prosecution of the girl was not unreasonable. He said the statute in question is designed to prevent sex with children who are 13 and younger, even if the other person is in the same age group. By passing that law, legislators were sending a message, Bates said: Sex with or among children is unacceptable. Randall Richards, the girl's attorney, argued that prosecuting children under a law meant to protect them is illogical. "A child (victim) cannot also be a perpetrator in the exact same act," Richards said. The Utah Supreme Court will issue a ruling later. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4783650 Do you even think they knew what they were doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I thought this said dont move Utah. and i was like oh shit someones about to put girl on blast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUR X3 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 I don't know her, I heard stories though. Should I bust them out??? You probably heard them too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 shes actually an alright person just a lot of really dumb decisions and friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroCool Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Damn really. I thought about moving there. Then I sobered up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i have friends in utah, but theyre not living there by choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest R@ndomH3ro Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 mormons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1988 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I don't plan on smashing on any underage girls... So I should be okay if I moved there. But i won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUR X3 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Another girl pops up in my head as an okay girl who makes really bad decisions and friends... Along the same lines, really good painter, lot of heart, horrible horrible decisions... But yeah I won't be going to Utah to fulfill my fantasies of lick-lick and bang-bang... Cambodia it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUMPKIN ESCOBAR Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 funny story, I lived in utah for a year when I was 17. place is fucking WEIRD. downtown is super clean, but dead, because there's a one bar per two city blocks law and that mormon temple is outta control. there's some nice scenery though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i know someone who got arrested in Utah because they were doing outlines on the wall of the police department parking lot hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUR X3 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SameName Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Utah is the France of the Americas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUMPKIN ESCOBAR Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 19 to buy tobacco and I dare you to find a resturant that sells caffienated beverages anywhere near BYU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i went to utah once. to park city for that film festival. like in '98. i remember seeing michael jai white (spawn) and that fat redhead fool who played in that disney soccer movie at the store buying ramen noodles. other than that i don't remember shit about the place. lots of white snow and white people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornbooth Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 mormonU, their acceptance rate is like 17% because you pretty much have to be mormon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 we have a byu campuss in hawaii... mother fuckers ride their bikes all over and preach to you, and if you tell em to fuck off they still come back...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCarBombs Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 wasn't Brian Peppers from utah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Grenades Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i went to an adventure park in utah and i couldn't believe all of the incestuous people walking around...they were seriously all deformed and related to eachother and they were their own kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Grenades Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 wasn't Brian Peppers from utah exactly..that's what they all looked like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i thought brian peppers was from ohio... or somewhere in the midwest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt double Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 you can buy caffeinated beverages everywhere in utah, just not coffee or tea. and good luck buying a cold beer anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 brian peppers is from new orleans....lol...i swear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCarBombs Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i thought brian peppers was from ohio... same shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 mormonism is a plague, i'd almost rather move to indiana than utah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 alcohol is controlled over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHATEU Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 been there done that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 you can buy caffeinated beverages everywhere in utah, just not coffee or tea. and good luck buying a cold beer anywhere. for a cold beer head to Wyoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Grenades Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 for a cold beer, head to my house, fuck wyoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getzup Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i went to UTAH abotu 8 years ago around the winter time. I saw alot of mormon people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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