Congratulations! You're all on the no-fly list!

[Abracadabra]

We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

 

 

October 26, 2006

 

Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14,

2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us

permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all

airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain

clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the

United States.

It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document"

that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually

unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you

want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the

agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the

request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United

States.

Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on

assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to

expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait!

You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA.

Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid

detention center, where you and others who are now effectively

"stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until

their immigration status is sorted out.

Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United

States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be

an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of

appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant,

without probable cause and without even any particular degree of

suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're

a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or

not you hold a U.S. passport.

The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional

right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the

right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The

United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of

travel." So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a

lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

Think this can't happen? Think again. It's ALREADY happening. Earlier

this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a

native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition

lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history

that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.

If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to

this list.

For more information on this proposed regulation, see http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf.

source

 

 

 

i really really hope this is a joke

[Super Z]

DAMN....

[Issac Brock]

wiggidy wack, son.

[lord_casek]

North American Union.

 

 

are we starting to wake up yet?

 

 

 

 

Hello.

Is there anybody in there?

Just nod if you can hear me.

Is there anyone home?

[angelofdeath]

what north american union? hahaha

 

The NAFTA Superhighway

 

 

 

by Ron Paul

 

 

DIGG THIS

 

By now many Texans have heard about the proposed “NAFTA Superhighway,” which is also referred to as the trans-Texas corridor. What you may not know is the extent to which plans for such a superhighway are moving forward without congressional oversight or media attention.

 

This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside.

 

This will require coordinated federal and state eminent domain actions on an unprecedented scale, as literally millions of people and businesses could be displaced. The loss of whole communities is almost certain, as planners cannot wind the highway around every quaint town, historic building, or senior citizen apartment for thousands of miles.

 

Governor Perry is a supporter of the superhighway project, and Congress has provided small amounts of money to study the proposal. Since this money was just one item in an enormous transportation appropriations bill, however, most members of Congress were not aware of it.

 

The proposed highway is part of a broader plan advanced by a quasi-government organization called the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” or SPP.

 

The SPP was first launched in 2005 by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco.

 

The SPP was not created by a treaty between the nations involved, nor was Congress involved in any way. Instead, the SPP is an unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and officials from several governments. One principal player is a Spanish construction company, which plans to build the highway and operate it as a toll road. But don’t be fooled: the superhighway proposal is not the result of free market demand, but rather an extension of government-managed trade schemes like NAFTA that benefit politically-connected interests.

 

The real issue is national sovereignty. Once again, decisions that affect millions of Americans are not being made by those Americans themselves, or even by their elected representatives in Congress. Instead, a handful of elites use their government connections to bypass national legislatures and ignore our Constitution – which expressly grants Congress the sole authority to regulate international trade.

 

The ultimate goal is not simply a superhighway, but an integrated North American Union – complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy, and virtually borderless travel within the Union. Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty altogether.

 

A new resolution, introduced by Representative Virgil Goode of Virginia, expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a NAFTA superhighway, or enter into any agreement that advances the concept of a North American Union. I wholeheartedly support this legislation, and predict that the superhighway will become a sleeper issue in the 2008 election.

 

Any movement toward a North American Union diminishes the ability of average Americans to influence the laws under which they must live. The SPP agreement, including the plan for a major transnational superhighway through Texas, is moving forward without congressional oversight – and that is an outrage. The administration needs a strong message from Congress that the American people will not tolerate backroom deals that threaten our sovereignty.

 

October 31, 2006

[lord_casek]

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main

 

And search for "USCBP-2005-0003-0003" with "All Documents" checked and "Dept of Homeland Security -All" in the dropdown.

 

this is the doc in question....

 

 

 

 

 

if that doesn't work, http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf

[lord_casek]

* Expansion of US-VISIT fingerprinting, photographing, and lifetime dossiers on visitors to include permanent U.S. residents (green card holders)

http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-US-VISIT-comments.pdf

 

* The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative to require passports for travel between the U.S., Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Latin America

http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-WHTI-comments.pdf

 

* Conversion of the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) for international ships and plane travel into an advance permission system

http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf

[lord_casek]

what north american union? hahaha

 

 

you're joking, right? because we are under a North American Union right now.

jesus, can't you tell? can no one tell? all these bills giving King George all

of this power? he pulled habeas corpus, he signed on to SPP without our knowledge,

etc...the list goes on and on and on.

[Abracadabra]

* Expansion of US-VISIT fingerprinting, photographing, and lifetime dossiers on visitors to include permanent U.S. residents (green card holders)

http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-US-VISIT-comments.pdf

 

 

expansion? they're already doing his. each time i visited the states i've been fingerprinted and photographed, and next week i have my appointment at the dept of homeland security for my 'biometrics' which is a requirement of the green card application process.

[lord_casek]

expansion? they're already doing his. each time i visited the states i've been fingerprinted and photographed, and next week i have my appointment at the dept of homeland security for my 'biometrics' which is a requirement of the green card application process.

 

 

yeah, they always say "we're going to do this" when they've already started.

biometrics, eh? damn man. you are in the system now. be careful what you do and say.

no joke.

 

so, you are on the way to being "official"? pretty cool. take rental back to australia, dude. it's safer there for the time being. once she's graduated and whatnot. i'd seriously consider it.

[HardyHarHar]

Fuck.

[fermentor666]

While you're at it, take me to Australia, too.

[Dawood]

that's scary, I'm in Egypt right now.

[HardyHarHar]

Yeah it's very scary. Add this to the list:

 

Can't Leave the Country

Phones are Tapped

Secret Prisons

Journalist imprisoned in Gitmo

Torture = legal

Stay the Course magically transformed (by the Truth Sector?) to We're Constantly Changing Our Strategy

Electoral process in digital jeopardy

 

Our country is fuhhhhhhhhked up.

[lord_casek]

Yeah it's very scary. Add this to the list:

 

Can't Leave the Country

Phones are Tapped

Secret Prisons

Journalist imprisoned in Gitmo

Torture = legal

Stay the Course magically transformed (by the Truth Sector?) to We're Constantly Changing Our Strategy

Electoral process in digital jeopardy

 

Our country is fuhhhhhhhhked up.

 

weren't you one of the people who were making fun of me for saying all of this was going to happen in the "who are they?" thread and the "september 11th" thread?

[Qawee]

are any mainstream media organizations covering this at all?

[lord_casek]

are any mainstream media organizations covering this at all?

 

not right now. probably olbermann later in the week. but atm, the election is big news.

how scary.

 

 

jeez, i saw a republicrat...in fact, it was katherine harris, gloating this morning about how she and the rest of the neo-cons are going to win hands down.

 

i.e.: they are going to steal it again.

[HardyHarHar]

weren't you one of the people who were making fun of me for saying all of this was going to happen in the "who are they?" thread and the "september 11th" thread?

 

Yeah I was. I don't believe in any of that illuminati crap. It's no secret that our government is fucked up, greedy, and lazy. If this no fly thing is for real... that's setting the bar just a little lower.

[lord_casek]

Yeah I was. I don't believe in any of that illuminati crap. It's no secret that our government is fucked up, greedy, and lazy. If this no fly thing is for real... that's setting the bar just a little lower.

 

 

well, the fact is that alot of our world leaders are involved in globalization.

and whether you want to believe it or not, it's still the truth, they are also involved

in cults. it's all pretty much laid out for all of us to see. both, i mean.

this is no longer a free country. it is on the verge (some would say it's there) of a dictatorship.

 

jeez, have you read trotsky?

[HardyHarHar]

No, I haven't read Trotsky, but I agree with you about the general direction of this country. But what cult are you talking about? Evangelical Christianity? I do agree with you in general, I'm just a bit skeptical.

[Abracadabra]

yeah, they always say "we're going to do this" when they've already started.

biometrics, eh? damn man. you are in the system now. be careful what you do and say.

no joke.

 

so, you are on the way to being "official"? pretty cool. take rental back to australia, dude. it's safer there for the time being. once she's graduated and whatnot. i'd seriously consider it.

 

i'd rather head in the other direction. barcelona maybe

[lord_casek]

No, I haven't read Trotsky, but I agree with you about the general direction of this country. But what cult are you talking about? Evangelical Christianity? I do agree with you in general, I'm just a bit skeptical.

 

nah, i'm talking about the really good stuff. i'm talking lucifer (look it up, it means "lightbringer" which entails alot of things that are not good). i'm talking about the

deeper reasons that there are all of these republican (and no, i'm not blaming it on republicans exclusively) homosexual scandals are coming out. just wait until the rest

comes out....i'm talking about the new pictures that a judge ordered be release by our govt of extreme child rape/torture in iraq and who and why those are being directed.

 

you ever hear that saying "if you only knew"? it's very complicated and i don't feel like going into it here. different thread completely.

 

 

 

ABC: yeah, that'd be fucking nice. ever been there before?

[Abracadabra]

not yet. i have a good friend who is a native of madrid who lives there now, so i've got the hook up as far as tour guide etc

[lord_casek]

very nice. i've often considered switzerland, but it's so hard to get in.

spain would be awesome, though.

 

 

i think i'll move to mexico and demand that they speak english to me and put up english signs in their stores so i can read them.

[WORDISM45]

australia has been under John Howard (president bush's number one fan) for the last ten years and he is an absolute hands down show in for winning the next federal election. You think you've got it bad with democrats you should see how absolutely pathetic our opposition party is they are literally the laughing stock of the coutnry no matter what your political allignment.

 

we're also being pressured into getting national ID cards but the problem here is we dont have a strong libertarian tradition so no one in Australia would give a fuck if they were required to carry national ID with all of their details on a magnetic strip on it. Australia never has any real problems so all that people here care about is being flagrant racists and having low inflation, as long as theyre allowed to do both of these things our citizens would probably sign their rights away

[Abracadabra]

yeah, labour is in desperate need of a leader with strength and vision. i liked the fact that latham actually had passion behind his words, but unfortunately didn't have the time to show what he was capable of. he could have either sank or swam, unfortunately his hot-headedness undid him in the end. beazley is just a place holder until something better comes along.

 

john howard just happened to be in office when the world economy took it's inevitable upturn again, and like any good politician took the credit for it. it was a case of right place, right time. since then he's been using it as a reason for people to vote for him again. fact of the matter is the during his term interest rates have continued to rise, and so has the petrol price. he's not doing a damn thing that he's said he would, and it's not as if he is any position to make those promises in the first place. he's using unfounded scare-mongering to keep himself in a job. oh well, bring on the economic downturn. that should bring people back down to earth.

[Qawee]

No, I haven't read Trotsky, but I agree with you about the general direction of this country. But what cult are you talking about? Evangelical Christianity? I do agree with you in general, I'm just a bit skeptical.

 

Lenin's State and Revolution as well as Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism are good reads for these times, they help to explain alot

[lord_casek]

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061103-8143.html?refcnx

[IOU]

Wow!!! That was depressing to read.. I'm wondering what angles they are trying to play with this?? I bet the tourism industry comes up with a wicked tough lobbying group if this happens..

[Abracadabra]

it's all well and good that they wanna do all this stuff and monitor everyone coming in and going out, but they can't realistically keep it up. they're creating too much work for themselves.