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NO! I got mad respect for ULTRA...he is one of the only real writers in here...I was there when he smashed the streets...and stood in AWE of it...Were you around? All Im saying is that back then, there was no THREAD for airing issues, shit got dealt with...bottom line...no 12oz or shit like that...Damn fucking cell phones was even hot like that...For the most part ULTRA is retaliating and saying real shit...But you got these no name no credability writers talking shit...LIKE AKER...KNOWING HE GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM...and comes on here being a racist or talking shit...Just shut the fuck about all of this shit...its not beef when its online...its like a fucking AA meeting...At the end of the day I don't give a fuck...so fuck you post your pointless driblle and do what the fuck you want...I was trying to make a point...don't take it too seriously

 

 

The internet has ruined graff. Back in the day you could tell where people were from; not only from their handstyle, but from their tag style as well. You had Philly style, Chino influenced west coast style, NY wild style, etc. When Sime showed up you could tell he was from Europe from his German influenced style. When Demon evolved you could see the Asian influences coming out in the new sick shit he was putting out. Ultra had his own clean distinct flavor as well. Evolution is a great thing, otherwise people would still be doing old school NY caveman shit. Technology can both help and hinder at the same. Graff wouldn't be where it is without it, but it has also suffered a bit from its 'globalization'. Just like how other cultures around the world have become 'Americanized'; each has lost a little bit of it's distinct local flavor as it has assimilated with others'. Now, don't even start with the internet...

that shit just fucks everything up with all the anon trolls and toys starting beef...I wish people still only had 'zines, blackbooks, and shoeboxes full of flicks to compare.

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the majority of the good stuff being painted in the 80s and some of the 90s is so much better the 99% of everything being painted at all right now.

 

It's the attitude that sucks nowadays and it manifests itself like a virus on the internet. The early nineties were the nexus and height of both rap and graff. the majority of rap was all positive and mental and there was practically zero beef in both realms. It was all about the music and the art. I think that the music and art scenes in DC are intrinsically tied together. Once the harDCore and GoGo scene of the early nineties died down, all that was left was rap and it went all beef (not that biggie and tupac weren't great...just after them, it went to hell); so, naturally, so did the graff. Music influences art and once the rap went crap, so did the DC graff scene.

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if you don't think there was beef in rap before the mid 90s you don't know shit about hip hop.

 

Of course there was, but the majority of the shit coming out in the early ninties was introspective; shit like, Digable, Del, De la, Tribe, etc. Yeah, there was gangster shit like NWA and Ice T, but that was pure marketing. New York really wasn't like that yet. NY was street, slick, and smooth, but not gangster. Plus, take a look at the eventual west coast gangsters in the 80's like Ice T mceeing in his cameo in Breakin'...he wasn't gangster at all...he was more like Fresh Prince.... and Dre before NWA was working (MCing/DJing) Disco style parties wearing shiny sequenced one pieces...and Tupac...he was prancing around for Digital Underground.

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^does this have anything 2 do with graffiti in dc....no go 2 the rap beef thread

 

 

 

If you took the time to read more comprehensively starting a couple of posts earlier you would have known the topic was about the intrinsic relationship between music and graff in DC. In the early nineties, when DC harDCore was alive and kicking again and GoGo was getting some national/mainstream notoriety, DC graff was off the chain. When the scenes died down so did the graff. All that was left to musically inspire DC graff was rap...when it went crap so did the graff.

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^the past couple post have suckd along with the last few pages of this forum so who fuckin cares about ur comprehensive conversation about the intrinsic realtionship of music n graff that shits for channel zero, this thread was one of the greats for a lil while but like the trends u motherfuckers follow it has gone back 2 shit... i dont know maybe im just home sick n this shit depresses me even more. oh n that shit is stupid 2 graffiti was around b4... B4 hip hop n itll b around after it please post some flicks i know theres shit in the city that i cant see myself cuz im 1500 miles away, get over it bent is faggot n tcb sucks stop beefin with real ghetto tyrants n graff writers n make a name 4 urself without hangin on the coat tails of others. peace

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^the past couple post have suckd along with the last few pages of this forum so who fuckin cares about ur comprehensive conversation about the intrinsic realtionship of music n graff that shits for channel zero, this thread was one of the greats for a lil while but like the trends u motherfuckers follow it has gone back 2 shit... i dont know maybe im just home sick n this shit depresses me even more. oh n that shit is stupid 2 graffiti was around b4... B4 hip hop n itll b around after it please post some flicks i know theres shit in the city that i cant see myself cuz im 1500 miles away, get over it bent is faggot n tcb sucks stop beefin with real ghetto tyrants n graff writers n make a name 4 urself without hangin on the coat tails of others. peace

 

 

I'm not beefing with anyone...you're starting shit with me!

 

So, why don't you post in the thread where you live? You're probably the biggest toy on here!

 

Are you the moderator or the owner of this website? NO, so mind your own fucking business, bitch!

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WELL HERE'S THE DEAL GUYS YOUR TOWN IS FULL OF FAGGOTS. YOUR BURRITOS SUCK BALLS. YOUR CREPES ARE EQUALLY LAME. YOUR SF GEAR IS PLAYED AND THE BENGALS ARE WAY COOLER. ALL YOUR WRITERS ARE ON DRUGS AND DO NO WORK. AND QUITE HONESTLY IF IT WASN'T FOR OAKLAND BEING TIGHT AS FUCK NO ONE WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS PLACE AT ALL. EVERYBODY CALL IT FRISCO. I'M NEVER GOING BACK HERE AGAIN! OFF TO NY!

 

 

 

great thread losers. I told you to take back Aker. He isn't wanted in the west. here take him...take him...go on take him

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you can't equate an art form conforming with breeding and the integration of races, and try to draw a conclusion as if the two relate and that it some how supports your opinion. As a matter of fact, this idea of interbreeding is what the English tried to do to the Irish as an attempt to destroy their blood lines...Was that a "good thing". Cultural heritage and distinction is a good thing. Each borough in NY has or had its own distinct style, crews had a specific style. But that has changed and you can't distinguish one from the other most of the time. One of the only crews to adhere to this distinguishable style was ELW back in the day and some of the FLY ID heads from DC.

 

Writers should learn and understand their history and graffiti culture as it pertains to their city or crew. This is not to say you can't or shouldn't try new styles, learn new things, and I'm not saying what anyone should do. But for me, learning history, the reasons letters are the way they are in graff, the legends who have defined this culture is very important. If it is not to you then fuck it...oh well

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Criminal i action and Ultra - I am not Aker goof balls - we despise him. Graff_fan and dcsmackdown are Aker's shameless self-promoting names. The only thing I share in common with Aker is a pro-wrestling reference in my name and the fact that I could care less about getting banned - unlike you ,

 

Didn't you know the name KGB is TAKEN. Taken by the Soviet Union before your time, ;)

 

Love the DC thread! A great mix of toys and cops seem to be the most posters. Look forward to the TCB crew running Ultra's crew out of Dodge City!

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you can't eqauate an art form conforming with breeding and the integration of races, and try to draw a conclusion as if the two relate and that it some how supports your opinion. As a matter of fact, this idea of interbreeding is what the English tried to do to the Irish as an attempt to destroy their blood lines...Was that a "good thing". Cultural heritage and distinction is a good thing. Each borough in NY has or had its own distinct style, crews had a specific style. But that has changed and you can't distinguish one from the other most of the time. One of the only crews to adhere to this distinguishable style was ELW back in the day and some of the FLY ID heads from DC.

 

Writers should learn and understand their history and graffiti culture as it pertains to their city or crew. This is not to say you can't or shouldn't try new styles, learn new things, and I'm not saying what anyone should do. But for me, learning history, the reasons letters are the way they are in graff, the legends who have defined this culture is very important. If it is not to you then fuck it...oh well

 

 

agreed.

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I'm not beefing with anyone...you're starting shit with me!

 

So, why don't you post in the thread where you live? You're probably the biggest toy on here!

 

Are you the moderator or the owner of this website? NO, so mind your own fucking business, bitch!

 

son i aint startin shit with u i could care less about u or what u do or who u even r n i never stated that u were startin beef as for u callin me a toy son u need 2 chill on that shit n dont call me bitch, cuz u can get ur card pulled quick, im not a moderator or a mediater cuz id rather just swap it out. peace 2 u kid no beef. just took all the bullshit from the thread out on u. MTC

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son i aint startin shit with u i could care less about u or what u do or who u even r n i never stated that u were startin beef as for u callin me a toy son u need 2 chill on that shit n dont call me bitch, cuz u can get ur card pulled quick, im not a moderator or a mediater cuz id rather just swap it out. peace 2 u kid no beef. just took all the bullshit from the thread out on u. MTC

 

 

If that is your version of an apology, I will reciprocate the action. If you are willing to let it go, so am I.

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