Hugo Chavez......The devil was here today.

[Big Narnia Loc]

ouch.

[Gunm]

Chavez is a fool.....don't talk smack about U.S. imperialism.

 

We should just bulldoze that country or maybe flatten a few buildings in the capital

[--->]

Then put down the asians and GET-ER-DOOOOONNNNNNEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HardyHarHar]

Welcome to graffiti. All of us graffiti writers are the same way:biglaugh:.

 

At least Chavez has a better excuse than us. He's the leader of a country... and an integral part of defending what's left of the world from a rouge empire.

 

At least that's my impression.

 

 

 

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that's ROGUE, and the US is not a rogue empire, check out Tony Blair.

 

On Chavez: He is outspoken against the US and I think a lot of people appreciate that, both in America and throughout the world. His domestic policies I cannot comment on because AP news wires are really hard to find/read/care about, but I'm sure he inherited a lot of those problems, and I can say that the US has been a major meddler in Central and South America. Chavez is not merely passing the buck by saying the US is responsible for the despotism in his country.

[HardyHarHar]

Chavez is a fool.....don't talk smack about U.S. imperialism.

 

We should just bulldoze that country or maybe flatten a few buildings in the capital

 

Yeah, seeing as that worked so well in Iraq.

[fermentor666]

and I can say that the US has been a major meddler in Central and South America. Chavez is not merely passing the buck by saying the US is responsible for the despotism in his country.

 

 

 

This is true.

[angelofdeath]

chavez calling bush evil is like the pot calling the kettle black.

[--->]

chavez calling bush evil is like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

No it's not.

[H. Lecter]

You people bitch and bitch about the US..

but bottom line, in the reality of power, one must choose the lesser of the evils..

 

I ask you then...

 

If not the US, UK and their allies.. then who?

 

 

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And that just about sums up my sentiment on 90% of posts in Crossfire..

 

as for Chavez, and these current events..

 

I feel he's making a poor copy of Che Guevera..

He speaks in an all to often unprofessional manner,

and twists and distorts facts and events to his favour as much as the pitiful Israeli Media..

Granted, it is nice to hear someone stand up against the tide at any point,

that is the beauty of democratic discussion and the United Nations,

however it was far more commendable and impactful when done in the manner

that other nations have presented it in the recent past,

particularly in the time surrounding the "case for Iraq"...

At this point he is comparable to the kid who tells off the principal that everyone hates..

Gets all his little friends fired-up and clapping around the lunch table for a day or two, and that's about it..the wave crashes and goes back out to sea..

 

Believe this,

if Chavez and Ahmadinejad were truely looking to off-set the American influence in

a righteous and selfless manner, for the sole interest of defeating the current system and not for thier own promotion and self-interest , they would simply cut off the US oil flow and divert it to China...game over.

 

John Bolton, the prick fuck that he is, said something of equal strength to Chavez's

recycled 1964 Che speech, "It would have been more credible of a speech if Mr. Chavez gave the same freedoms of speech to his own citizens"

You've got all these assholes who are looking for concessions and credibility from the UN,

yet calling the organization "worthless"... these people who restrict basic freedoms in thier

own nations calling the UN "undemocratic"...

They all want the US to lose it's power?.. Then who do you think they want to replace it..?

Would you like to live in Iran..?

 

So to them I say this:

If you can't properly manage your own country, in even a moderately democratic and efficent manner,

then who are you to criticize? Much less,

who are you to suggest how this entire world should be managed?...

[--->]

You have anything to back that up or are you just repeating what you heard on Fox news?

How is he a tyranical dictator? I'm honstly curious, I've heard the opposite.

[--->]

You have anything to back that up or are you just repeating what you heard on Fox news?

How is he a tyranical dictator? I'm honstly curious, I've heard the opposite.

[--->]

Post orders all fucked up again.

[--->]

hmmm.... we have bush who is a horrible president, horrible on liberty and horrible on government restraint, etc etc. and we have chavez who imposed tyranny on his people, has an incredibly horrible domestic agenda, but can give lip service to a good foreign policy.

but in the end he is a communist dictator who is treating his people worse than americans are being treated.

 

so again, its the pot calling the kettle black. if chavez gave his people liberty, then i'd say.... 'dude your a cool guy and your statement is now justified.'

 

 

 

 

You have anything to back that up or are you just repeating what you heard on Fox news?

How is Chavez a tyranical dictator? I'm honstly curious, I've heard the opposite.

 

 

 

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[--->]

Although my qualms with him are more with his personality and projection, here's a starter.

 

 

Seems like his supporters and plusses outway his critics and drawbacks. Also sounds like the only ones that are pissed and/or being supressed are capitalists with something to lose.

[--->]

------> why would you think i got this info from fox news?

 

Alright that was a jab. Just seems to me that all this anti-Chavez propaganda is coming from the Bush camp.

[angelofdeath]

hmmm.... we have bush who is a horrible president, horrible on liberty and horrible on government restraint, etc etc. and we have chavez who imposed tyranny on his people, has an incredibly horrible domestic agenda, but can give lip service to a good foreign policy.

but in the end he is a communist dictator who is treating his people worse than americans are being treated.

 

so again, its the pot calling the kettle black. if chavez gave his people liberty, then i'd say.... 'dude your a cool guy and your statement is now justified.'

[angelofdeath]

"Seems like his supporters and plusses outway his critics and drawbacks. Also sounds like the only ones that are pissed and/or being supressed are capitalists with something to lose."

 

in my view, you are discredited in your hatred of bush because you are supporting another despot. the only plus chavez has, is that he can talk a good game on foreign policy. but he doesnt practice what he preaches domestically, so fuck him. he is a hypocrite trying to act tough.

it also strikes me as extremely hypocritical to be railing against evil 'capitalists' when if it wasnt for the evil capitalists buying oil, venezula's economy would of collapsed a long time ago. people would of been carrying wheel barrels full of money to buy a loaf of bread like they did in the inflation boom in 1920's germany. you better be praising trade because without it, venezula's socialism would fail rather quickly.

[El Mamerro]

You have anything to back that up or are you just repeating what you heard on Fox news?

How is he a tyranical dictator? I'm honstly curious, I've heard the opposite.

 

 

 

Although my qualms with him are more with his personality and projection, here's a starter.

[angelofdeath]

------> why would you think i got this info from fox news? you did note that i just called bush a horrible president that tramples on liberty didnt you? you are not debating a neo conservative, so a typtical left/right jab isnt going to work...your debating an old right libertarian.

 

chavez is your typical dictator right before he becomes a big problem. he starts by crushing dissent, shutting down papers, and nationalizing everything. which he is doing now. once this is done, he starts to kill the dissidents, starve the population and all that good stuff. next thing you know, you have 10 milion dead and the world turns a blind eye and many actually just plain deny it happened and give it a free pass.

 

the economy down there wouldnt exist if it wasnt for the US. atleast chavez is smart enough to realize this, that socialism just cant calculate and he must trade that oil of his to make any money. he does a good job denouncing imperialism and hegemony, but its ironic that he is imposing the tyranny that he denounces on his own people.

[russell jones]

if chavez gave his people liberty, then i'd say.... 'dude your a cool guy and your statement is now justified.'

 

 

I'll have to agree with AOD here. Although, I will say that socialism and liberty are not incompatible, and just because someone is a socialist, does not mean that they cannot have a democratic government. Unfortunately, although Chavez has done many great things for his country, squashing dissidents and the free press is not the way to run a country.

[--->]

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[fermentor666]

You people bitch and bitch about the US..

but bottom line, in the reality of power, one must choose the lesser of the evils..

 

I ask you then...

 

If not the US, UK and their allies.. then who?

 

 

 

 

 

The lesser of evils thing is true, but that doesn't mean that there aren't things that should be different in the US and UK.

[El Mamerro]

Seems like his supporters and plusses outway his critics and drawbacks. Also sounds like the only ones that are pissed and/or being supressed are capitalists with something to lose.

 

I guess you're right. But hey, who cares about human rights when everyone's getting a piece of the pie, right? I'm sure Chavez's police force and National Guard were just doing their honorable jobs smashing down on protesters, killing 14 and wounding 200. I'm sure no old ladies were bitten by dogs, and no kids were maced in the face.

 

And yeah, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are just a bunch of angry capitalists.

[fermentor666]

Dude, don't you know it's cops from the US that go down there and beat up protesters and arrest graffiti vandals in Venezuala? The cops from Venezuala have nothing to do with it, it's all cops from LA, Oakland, and Camden.

[Obvious]

Hugo Chavez is fat.

[--->]

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[--->]

I'm sure Chavez's police force and National Guard were just doing their honorable jobs smashing down on protesters, killing 14 and wounding 200. I'm sure no old ladies were bitten by dogs, and no kids were maced in the face.

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I must have missed that part. I only skimmed the first page of that link. You know they do the same shit here though. Oh well. Dude still gets props for standing up to Bush and calling him out infront of the rest of the world.

[Stereotype V.0002]

This thread is awesome, all of the nice youngsters who most likely live in comfort in American suburbia accuse anyone who disagrees with Hugo as being brainwashed by “Fox” and must automatically want to suck off the Dubya. Its strange how people can overlook what Chavez does just because he has an anti-American stance.

 

Calling him a clown is being gentle IMO. He does have some social action programs but they are all temporary solutions that are more for show than anything else... and barely reach a fraction of his population. He gives long tirades of the stereotypical Castro “everyone must be equal” and “all of my failures are due to the US boogieman” lines, infront of massive posters of himself. Then he spends an astronomical amount of his oil money on arms, Russian fighter jets, etc while the majority of his country is living in barrios and starving. Much in the same way that his government workers are the new upper upper class throwing around money and driving mercedes. He criticizes the US for interventions in the region, while he supports FARC and some Colombian paramilitaries to keep that area unstable. Evo and Lula are much better leaders than Chavez, and they aren’t constantly trying to provoke conflicts that would be catastrophic for the countries but beneficial for their images. Trying to aspire to be the next Bolivar is much better than emulating someone like Castro anyways.

[TheOh]

Chavez is a fool.....don't talk smack about U.S. imperialism.

 

We should just bulldoze that country or maybe flatten a few buildings in the capital

 

 

 

you should probably stay in Ch0. this is the most unconstructive comment in this thread.

[angelofdeath]

all hail the great merciful Chavez!!!

 

 

 

http://www.freeliberal.com/archives/002327.html

 

 

 

On September 20, 2006, Venezuela's president Hugo Chavez spoke to the General Assembly of the United Nations, calling U.S. president George Bush a "devil." Crossing himself, his face revealing a hint of smile, Chavez said, "This table from where I speak still smells like sulfur."

 

On Trinidad television, a news reporter sought reactions from the people of Venezuela. An elderly woman in Caracas said to the reporter, "Chavez is correct to call the US imperialist, but it was very rude to call Bush a devil. Chavez himself has not been perfect."

 

Watching the news program, Harry Forsyte, now 86 years old, was astonished to realize that the woman on television was Matilda, who had stolen his money, horse, and cat! He vowed to find her and bring her to justice.

 

But the next day, while Harry was on a boat to Venezuela, some Cuban army officers who worked for the government of Venezuela knocked on the door of Matilda's house. "You have committed defamation of the character of the president, a violation of the law," they told her.

 

"I did not mean any offense," she replied.

 

The Cubans looked at her beautiful green front lawn. "This looks like a golf course," they said.

 

"No. I play croquet on the lawn, not golf."

 

"If we say it is a golf course, then that is what it is," said one of the Cuban officers.

 

"So what?" asked Matilda.

 

"The law requires all golf courses in Venezuela to be confiscated, and the land given to the poor. You have 24 hours to vacate, otherwise we will put you in prison."

 

In Caracas, Matilda, even in her age of 86, still operated a dance studio in a rented space. Harry came to her office. "You thief!" he exclaimed. "You ruined my life. Give me back my money!"

 

"I'm sorry, but I cannot," she replied. "I bought a house and land with the money, and now, it has just been confiscated."

 

"You will pay with your life!" he shouted. "Waltzing Matilda will now do the Dance of Death!" He pulled out a gun, and shot her three times. She lay dead on the floor.