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Man Raided By FBI, ATF, Canadian Law Enforcement After Handing Out 'Subversive' Alex Jones Material



Gun seller questioned on militia, ownership of George Washington speeches

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | July 6 2006

 

A Dillon Montana man had his home raided by 40 FBI, BATF and Canadian law enforcement agents after handing out Alex Jones' material to his local Sheriff which was subsequently deemed 'subversive'.



Richard Celata sells 80% completed firearms kits intended for purchasers who want to avoid having to register their weapons in government databases. The kits are completely legal in Montana.

Celata was politically active in disseminating the material of Alex Jones and others in his area, including handing out material to his local Sheriff.

"On Monday morning the Sheriff called me and said, I've read all your stuff, I would like to speak to you on Wednesday, could you come in," Salada told GCN radio host Jack Blood.

Celata said he thought the scheduled meeting on Wednesday was strange because there was an election on the Tuesday and the Sheriff wouldn't have known whether he'd still be in office or not.

"Wednesday morning I get a phone call saying 'I lost the election and it's even more important that we have our meeting than it was before'."

Celata collected material he had previously handed out to the Sheriff and traveled to his office.

060706swat3-1.jpg"I walk into the room and there's way too many people in the Sheriff's office," said Celata.

Celata said he knew he was in trouble as he was introduced to BATF and FBI agents and handed a search warrant and a promise that his premises were going to be raided.

"I read the search warrant and low and behold there's no signed affidavit," said Celata.

Celata told the Sheriff that the search warrant was therefore void to which the FBI and BATF responded that the affidavit was secret and sealed by the court.

"Now they can make up the affidavit to match what they found if they want to," said Celata as he was told that the agents would carry out the search anyway.

060706swat2.jpgCelata was then escorted by an estimated 40 FBI, ATF and Canadian law enforcement agents to his property. Salada asked if he could call his wife so as to enable her and their two small children to leave the property before the SWAT team arrived but was refused on the grounds that he was giving her a secret code to destroy evidence. However, the Sheriff allowed the call to be made and the family was able to leave. At no point was Celata shown any identification by any of the agents.

The cadre of agents, which now included Canadian AFT agents, then began the process of methodically cataloguing and seizing Salada's possessions - bizarrely urinating on the exterior of the property ignoring the two bathrooms located inside the building.

Celata was told, without being shown any supporting evidence, that five of the pistols he had sold were used to commit murders in Canada.

"I said look, guns don't kill people - people kill people," said Celata.

Following the raid Celata was questioned on his ownership of a Citizen's Rulebook, speeches by George Washington and Alex Jones' books and videos. He was asked why he read and listened to them and if he believed them.

The agents asked Salada if he was in a militia or if he knew anyone that was. Salada had previously sent out material asking why Montana didn't have a state organized militia when it was required by law.

060706swat1.jpgThe agents then specifically asked Celata about specific individuals in the freedom movement, including JPFO's Aaron Zelman, author Devvy Kidd and constitutional attorney Edward Vieira. The only way the agents could have known about Celata's interest in the work of Kidd and Vieira was if they had gained access to his e mail.

After this three hour interrogation the agents took Salada's entire inventory of 80% finished frames, copied his computer hard drive (causing the computer to break down), and left.

Tune in to the Alex Jones show today for more details on the raid. The audio MP3 of the interview will be posted here later.

*Images are representative of SWAT raids and do not correspond to specific agents involved in this case.

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here's a similar report:

 

 

 

TROOPER SAYS MAN IS GUILTY OF TERRORISTIC THREATS UNDER KENTUCKY LAW 580.08 NAWWW. DOES KEN-TUCK TRAIN TROOPERS IN FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND PROBABLE CAUSE BEFORE THEY PUT THEM ON THE STREETS? I DON'T THINK SO. BEST FORGET THIS ONE KENTUCKY .

 

BY BOB FARLEY

 

COURTWATCHERS SENIOR REPORTER - COURTWATCHERS.ORG

 

Carpenter Kelly Rushing thought he was doing a good thing when he bought some video tapes from Alex Jones Productions, a firm in Austin , Texas that produces and markets what they call films exposing “The New World Order.” Clearly Jones could

 

be classified as a Right Wing Conservative for his views on the deterioration of the country under Bill Clinton and others like him. He has a right to do that under our Constitution. Rushing also taped a C-Span show in which Congressman. Ron Paul gave a talk titled Neo-Conned in which he detailed governmental corruption at all levels..

 

Similarly, Kelly Rushing is no different than many Americans concerned about the direction their country is going and a man who wanted to do something about it if he could. So Rushing bought several of the Jones tapes so he could pass them around to his friends, a practice that Jones encourages on his web site InfoWars.Com where Jones specifically encourages his customers to make copies of his tapes and pass them along to others for “ non profit educational purpose .” Mr. Jones is not greedy in his selling of freedom and democracy and he is allowed to do be that way.

 

One of the films titled “ 9-1-1 , The Road to Tyranny ” describes a potential Police State and the threat of such a state. Mr. Rushing had already passed the Jones video along to several of his friends, including the Lyon County Prosecuting Attorney, Wendell Chope. PA Chope viewed the tape and returned it to Rushing with the comment that it was “ it was interesting ” and he “ enjoyed it .”

 

There came a time when Rushing thought it would be nice to give the 911 tape as well as the C-Span tape to local Kentucky State Trooper Lewis Dobbs. Mr. Dobbs is a young State Trooper working out of the Mayfield Kentucky Post in western Kentucky south of Paducah . So Rushing slipped the tape into the Dobbs mailbox one afternoon. Mr. Rushing did not go out “stalking” the state trooper as the trooper seems to believe. He drove past his house nearly everyday and it was well known by many persons where Trooper Dobbs lived.

 

Rushing pointed out that there was another tape air by C-Span on national television on the same subject, with Texas Congressman Ron Paul and a 45 minutes discussion on the subject of a police state. Rushing had a copy of the C-Span show and he also put that tape into Trooper Dobb's mailbox.

 

Within a week or two, Rushing was pulled over on his way from work, by Trooper Lewis Dobbs. Dobbs went through the usual procedure, asking for drivers license, registration, etc., after which Trooper Dobbs slapped his handcuffs on him.

 

Since there was no probable cause as to his motor vehicle operation, Kelly asked Dobbs what he was being arrested for, and Dobbs said, you are being arrested for “giving me that tape. You are being arrested for terroristic threatening.” The trooper also asked Kelly, “Why did you threaten me? ” Kelly answered, “I never threatened you.” In his zeal, Trooper Dobbs never got around to reading the “tape desperado” his Rights.

 

Sitting in the patrol car, Rushing heard Trooper Dobbs call his wife on his cellular phone to report , “I have captured the tape delivery boy and I have him in my back seat.” Mr. Rushing has told this reporter that a later reply of the troopers tape recorded words during those minutes seems to have been altered in some manner and is unintelligible . Wow! Celebration! Another dangerous desperado is off the streets thanks to Kentucky 's Finest. Thus, did Trooper Lewis Dobbs crush the First Amendment and Kentucky Law that day.

 

In fact, Kentucky Statute 508.080, the law under which Trooper Dobbs arrested citizen Rushing, has no language in it that even vaguely describes the conduct of Kelly Rushing, passing out patriotic tapes, or tape copies of national TV broadcasts such as Congressman Ron Paul on C-Span. The statute is very short and is copied verbatim as a footnote to this story.

 

At his first appearance in court, Rushing remained confused and once again asked why he was arrested.

 

Judge William McCaslin said, “You are being charged with giving trooper Dobbs a threatening video.” Obviously, the good Judge had never read Kentucky law on the matter or he would have answered, “Case Dismissed ” instead. The good judge does have a sworn obligation to obey the laws of Kentucky , including the U. S. Constitution. That day in court, he did neither. In fact, Rushing had also been charged with two counts of menacing which were soon dropped by the same prosecutor who had earlier told Rushing that he had “ enjoyed ” the tape. Rushing was also asked to plead guilty to harassment, an obvious attempt to get Trooper Dobbs out of the tar baby he was stuck in, but Rushing refused to make such a plea and elected to go to trial instead.

 

In fact, the United States Postal Service does have a regulation that forbids putting uncanceled mail into postal boxes, but such an offense is normally met with only a nasty letter from the Postal Service telling the offender to stop doing that and do not do it again in the future. Trooper Dobbs never reached for assistance from the Post Office.

 

Kelly Rushing is going to trial Monday, April 12, 2004 at 1:00 PM if the judge doesn't dismiss the case before then. Rushing's attorney Luke Quertermous was unwilling to discuss the case with this reporter except to say it was a First Amendment case and he would give it his best shot.

 

If convicted, Rushing is faced with a $500 fine or One Year in jail, or both. This

 

reporter thinks Judge McCaslin should dismiss this atrocity immediately before he is reversed by the Appellate Court and charged with a violation of the Judicial Code of

 

Conduct, as well. Jones Productions also markets a video titled POLICE STATE 2000 . With these kinds of shenanigans going on, it might be time to send that one to the trooper, the Prosecutor and the Judge too. Everything fine in Amerika?

 

 

 

# # #

 

 

 

Footnote:________

 

Kentucky Statute 508.080. Terroristc threatening in the third degree

 

• Except as provided in KRS 508.075 or 508.078, a person is guilty of terroristic threatening in the third degree when:

 

• He threatens to commit any crime likely to result in death or serious physical injury to another person; or

 

• He intentionally makes false statements for the purpose of causing evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation.

 

• Terroristic threatening in the third degree is a Class A misdemeanor.

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A Dillon Montana man had his home raided by 40 FBI, BATF and Canadian law enforcement agents after handing out Alex Jones' material to his local Sheriff which was subsequently deemed 'subversive'.

Richard Celata sells 80% completed firearms kits intended for purchasers who want to avoid having to register their weapons in government databases. The kits are completely legal in Montana.

Celata was politically active in disseminating the material of Alex Jones and others in his area, including handing out material to his local Sheriff.

"On Monday morning the Sheriff called me and said, I've read all your stuff, I would like to speak to you on Wednesday, could you come in," Salada told GCN radio host Jack Blood.

Celata said he thought the scheduled meeting on Wednesday was strange because there was an election on the Tuesday and the Sheriff wouldn't have known whether he'd still be in office or not.

"Wednesday morning I get a phone call saying 'I lost the election and it's even more important that we have our meeting than it was before'."

Celata collected material he had previously handed out to the Sheriff and traveled to his office.

 

"I walk into the room and there's way too many people in the Sheriff's office," said Celata.

Celata said he knew he was in trouble as he was introduced to BATF and FBI agents and handed a search warrant and a promise that his premises were going to be raided.

"I read the search warrant and low and behold there's no signed affidavit," said Celata.

Celata told the Sheriff that the search warrant was therefore void to which the FBI and BATF responded that the affidavit was secret and sealed by the court.

"Now they can make up the affidavit to match what they found if they want to," said Celata as he was told that the agents would carry out the search anyway.

 

Celata was then escorted by an estimated 40 FBI, ATF and Canadian law enforcement agents to his property. Salada asked if he could call his wife so as to enable her and their two small children to leave the property before the SWAT team arrived but was refused on the grounds that he was giving her a secret code to destroy evidence. However, the Sheriff allowed the call to be made and the family was able to leave. At no point was Celata shown any identification by any of the agents.

The cadre of agents, which now included Canadian AFT agents, then began the process of methodically cataloguing and seizing Salada's possessions - bizarrely urinating on the exterior of the property ignoring the two bathrooms located inside the building.

Celata was told, without being shown any supporting evidence, that five of the pistols he had sold were used to commit murders in Canada.

"I said look, guns don't kill people - people kill people," said Celata.

Following the raid Celata was questioned on his ownership of a Citizen's Rulebook, speeches by George Washington and Alex Jones' books and videos. He was asked why he read and listened to them and if he believed them.

The agents asked Salada if he was in a militia or if he knew anyone that was. Salada had previously sent out material asking why Montana didn't have a state organized militia when it was required by law.

 

The agents then specifically asked Celata about specific individuals in the freedom movement, including JPFO's Aaron Zelman, author Devvy Kidd and constitutional attorney Edward Vieira. The only way the agents could have known about Celata's interest in the work of Kidd and Vieira was if they had gained access to his e mail.

After this three hour interrogation the agents took Salada's entire inventory of 80% finished frames, copied his computer hard drive (causing the computer to break down), and left.

Tune in to the Alex Jones show today for more details on the raid. The audio MP3 of the interview will be posted here later.

 

*Images are representative of SWAT raids and do not correspond to specific agents involved in this case.

 

 

How did that happen?

 

Fucked up story nonetheless.

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when we're terrorists for having the constitution......

 

 

check this out. about abby newman:

 

 

On September 12, 2000, Ms. Newman was traveling along Virginia 40, minding her own business, when a state police officer motioned for her to pull over. Had Ms. Newman been speeding? Was she weaving around after a night of cocktails? Was she a victim of racial profiling? No, she was pulled over for a routine “license and registration checkpoint.”

 

Since she had done nothing wrong, and was being stopped for no good reason, Abby Newman was in no mood to cooperate with the police.

 

* * * * * * *

 

Cop: Who are you? What is your name? I need to know who you are.

 

Newman: No, you don’t.

 

Cop: Yes, ma’am, I do.

 

Newman: I’m not speeding. I’m not intoxicated. I have given you no reason to stop me, and this irritates me. And I would be very happy to go into town and talk to the supervisor, because laws cannot be passed—

 

Cop: Ma’am, I would be glad to give you my supervisor’s name and phone number, but first I have to know who you are.

 

Newman: That is insufficient. You do not have to know who I am.

 

(This cop must have been utterly flabbergasted at the insolence of this particular serf, because at this point he reaches inside Newman’s car and opens the door.)

 

Newman: Sir, you cannot, you cannot—

 

Cop: Step out of the vehicle.

 

Newman: No sir. You cannot reach into this vehicle.

 

Cop: Sure I can. I have to know who you are.

 

(Gee, do you think he wants to know who she is? The suspense is killing him.)

 

Newman: You do not.

 

Cop: I must know who you are before you can go down the road.

 

Newman: I have not broken any laws.

 

(At this point, Cop #2 comes over, probably thinking, “What’s the hold-up here? I have a very important appointment at Krispy Kreme!”)

 

Cop: I have not accused you of breaking any laws, ma’am.

 

(Not yet he hasn’t. Just give him a minute; he’ll come up with something.)

 

Newman: You just reached in my vehicle and opened this door.

 

Cop: I have no idea who you are. You may be wanted in ten states for all I know, OK? I need to know who you are. Do you have a driver’s license?

 

(Apparently Officer Vic here feels no compunction whatever in assuming the worst about this “suspect.”)

 

Newman: It just occurred to me that you have no probable cause.

 

(Probable cause? Where do you think this is, lady? America?)

 

Cop: Shut the ignition off.

 

Newman: What?

 

Cop: Turn your car off for me.

 

Newman: Why?

 

Cop: Because I’m asking you to turn the car off. Turn the car off.

 

(Doesn’t sound like he’s asking to me. Sounds more like a direct order.)

 

Cop: Are you going to give me your driver’s license? You’re not going to give me your driver’s license?

 

Newman: No.

 

Cop: OK, do you realize you’re obstructing justice?

 

(Obstructing justice? Isn’t that what Slick Willie did? This woman is just sitting in her car, standing up for herself.)

 

Newman: I’m on the side of the road and I’m not doing any such thing. You asked me to pull over—

 

Cop: You’re obstructing justice.

 

Newman: Justice?

 

Cop: Yes ma’am. And I don’t know who you are.

 

(His dogged pursuit of the identity of this dangerous criminal continues unabated.)

 

Newman: You don’t need to know who I am.

 

Cop: Yes ma’am, I do.

 

Newman: I don’t know who you are, sir.

 

Cop: Step out of the car for me.

 

Newman: No sir.

 

Cop: I am trooper Mike Boylan with the Virginia State Police.

 

(Way to go, Mike. She’s sure to crack now!)

 

Newman: You are violating my United States constitutional rights. No matter what the laws in the state of Virginia have to say, they cannot usurp that. Any laws that go contrary to the United States constitution are null and void, and I do not have to submit to them. I am not intoxicated. You have already stated you don’t know who I am, so therefore—

 

(Uh oh, Mike. She sounds pretty smart: “usurp” and “null and void.” She must be a lawyer or something.)

 

Cop: That’s the whole point: I don’t know who you are. I told you who I am, OK?

 

(That’s the way, Mike. You tell her who’s boss.)

 

Cop: This is an approved checking detail site.

 

(Don’t you feel safer knowing that the cops are meticulously checking details of license and registration instead of, oh I don’t know, hunting down real criminals?)

 

Cop: Are you gonna tell me who you are?

 

Newman: No sir.

 

Cop: You’re not gonna tell me who you are?

 

(Mike, isn’t it obvious at this point that she has no intention of telling you her name? Maybe if you ask her another 16 times, she’ll tell you everything: her name, her measurements, where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. If that doesn’t work, maybe you can haul her downtown and put her under the hot lights, submit her to Chinese water torture, or better yet, take off her shoes [“I need you to take off your shoes. Are you gonna take off your shoes?”] and give her forty lashes with the bastinado.)

 

Newman: You have not charged me with anything. You have not told me I’ve done anything wrong, and I do not owe you that, sir, because I don’t serve you; you serve me. And I think you and your bosses and everybody else who writes the laws have forgotten that.

 

Cop: I told you, my bosses don’t write the laws, we simply enforce the law, ma’am.

 

(Hey Mike, take out your gun and show her you’re not fucking around.)

 

Newman: Even if they’re wrong?

 

Cop: Is that worth debating here on the side of the road?

 

(Uh, Mike, you forgot to ask her what her name is.)

 

Newman: Yes sir, it is, because when you take one, you take another, you take another, and before you know it, we can’t go anywhere without our papers, and that’s what this is: “May I see your papers please? You can’t travel down this road, ma’am, unless you show me your papers please.” That’s what this is.

 

Cop: Step out of the car for me.

 

(Say “pretty please” Mike.)

 

Newman: Sir.

 

Cop: Step out of the car for me.

 

Newman: I do not have to obey you. I’ve not broken any laws.

 

Cop: I’m asking you to step out of the vehicle for me.

 

(He is so patient and polite!)

 

Newman: And I’m saying I’m not going to step out of my vehicle. You’ve already told me the stickers are in order. I wasn’t traveling, and under speed. I’ve done nothing wrong, and this is absolutely wrong.

 

Cop: Do you have your driver’s license with you?

 

(Mike has grown weary of Ms. Newman’s stalling tactics. He also has an appointment at Krispy Kreme. He and Cop #2 decide to give up on persuasion and resort to force.)

 

Newman: Don’t reach inside my vehicle.

 

Cop: I’m going to place you under arrest for obstructing justice.

 

Newman: What am I obstructing, sir? SIR!

 

Cop: Step out of the car for me. Step out of the car for me.

 

Newman: You are physically forcing me out of my—no sir, don’t you touch any of my personal belongings in this car. You’re right I’ve recorded this conversation. Yes I did.

 

Cop: Resisting arrest.

 

Newman: I did not resist.

 

Cop #2: I’ll get the car.

 

(Ah, to hell with the Constitution, officer. Go ahead and search that car. No need for a warrant, or even probable cause.)

 

Newman: Don’t you take one single item out of my vehicle, sir. (To Cop): I’m not fighting you.

 

Cop: You’re under arrest for resisting arrest, obstruction of justice and assaulting a police officer.

 

Newman: I did not assault you.

 

(Later, when Ms. Newman is presumably handcuffed and in the squad car, our keystone cops engage in an illegal search of the car.)

 

Cop: Would you say I did anything wrong?

 

(Of course not, Mike. You are a veritable paragon of virtue.)

 

Cop #2: No.

 

Cop: I mean, she’s gotta present me a driver’s license.

 

Cop #2: Yep. She’s got to.

 

(The Adam-12 duo continues to rifle the car, looking for something with which they may trump up some additional charges, no doubt.)

 

Cop: Strategies of Submarine Warfare, Hidden Agenda.

 

Cop #2: Man, she’s into this weird crap.

 

(Yeah, it’s really scary. She sounds like the type who would read Clancy!)

 

Cop: Ruthless.com, The Bear and the Dragon, Patriot Games … Well, I better get a record started.

 

Cop #2: Do you wanna ask her, or …

 

Cop: I’ll just write down she invoked her right to remain silent, even though she don’t believe in our laws.

 

(I had no idea that the verb “to do” was so difficult to conjugate, especially for a smart cop like you, Mike. That’s OK. You doesn’t need to know how to speak proper when you have that gun to do the talking for you.)

 

* * * * * * *

 

Do we need any further proof that the Constitution is dead in this country? The Fourth Amendment states “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

 

Abby Newman was very much aware of her constitutional rights on that September evening. Furthermore, she was willing to take a stand for those rights. Clearly, the search of her car was unreasonable; the cops had no warrant, nor did they have probable cause.

 

Setting up a checkpoint where citizens are pulled over at random and harassed is a violation in itself. Usually they are set up under the guise of removing drunk drivers from the highways. How can these checkpoints be legal? Simple: the Supreme Court of the United States says so. In Michigan State Department of Police v. Sitz (1990), SCOTUS ruled that “In sum, the balance of the State's interest in preventing drunken driving, the extent to which this system can reasonably be said to advance that interest, and the degree of intrusion upon individual motorists who are briefly stopped, weighs in favor of the state program. We therefore hold that it is consistent with the Fourth Amendment.”

 

Look, just because the Supreme Court issues such an opinion doesn’t make it right, or even constitutional. Remember, judges, even the top nine judges in the land, are merely lawyer-politicians in black robes and are an integral cog in the wheel of the state apparatus. We should not be surprised when the Supreme Court rules in favor of another branch of government and against the interests of individual liberty.

 

Such checkpoints have no place in a free society. And what is the compelling State interest in making sure that randomly detained drivers have their license and registration in their possession? Whether the checkpoint is a DUI checkpoint or a detail checkpoint, the result is the same: the individual loses his liberty, and the state grows ever more tyrannical.

 

In the interest of justifying such harassment, politicians and their statist supporters typically fall back on the mantra of the nanny state: we are here to protect you and provide you with security. Once again, they ignore the wisdom of Benjamin Franklin, who taught us “they that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ultimately, the protection that the state purports to provide is an illusion, and the dupes among us end up trading their liberty for a handful of air. Count me among those who wish to retain their liberty.

 

August 17, 2001

 

 

in order

 

http://www.infowars.com/video/a_newman/a_ram_files/guilty1st_fast.ram

 

http://www.infowars.com/video/a_newman/a_ram_files/resisting_slow.ram

 

http://www.infowars.com/video/a_newman/a_ram_files/laws_fast.ram

 

http://www.infowars.com/video/a_newman/a_ram_files/them_fast.ram

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imagine being an American muslim citizen.....on sept 12 , 2001.

 

I personnally was pulled over more than a dozen times within a month of sept. 11

for being nothing but a muslim (some of the cops admitted it).

They justify it by saying they are under pressure by their superiors.

(I heard that twice)

 

I was even visited by the FBI and I don't know many muslims that werent visited by the

FBI at least once. I even know of people who just disappeared shortly after 9-11 and in some cases nobody knows where they are to this day and in other cases, they were taken to undisclosed locations and released on the street months or even years later.

 

I don't know if any of these people were invloved in terrorist activities , but for sure I know I'm not. The FBI told me that I'm not a suspect or anything, just routine check, so I'm like,

Oh, yeah, we all get routine FBI checks every once in while , huh?

 

Anyway, it's a scary world out there and you have nothing to fear if you are fortified.

 

don't get caught up.

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i'm surprised your on my jock. this really has nothing to do with the lack of hard evidence that the twin towers were brought down by the US govt, nor does it have anything to do with that place called bohemian grove where supposedly leaders of the free world are engaged in baby killings and hatching their next diabolical, nefarious, evil plot against us all.

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imagine being an American muslim citizen.....on sept 12 , 2001.

 

I personnally was pulled over more than a dozen times within a month of sept. 11

for being nothing but a muslim (some of the cops admitted it).

They justify it by saying they are under pressure by their superiors.

(I heard that twice)

 

I was even visited by the FBI and I don't know many muslims that werent visited by the

FBI at least once. I even know of people who just disappeared shortly after 9-11 and in some cases nobody knows where they are to this day and in other cases, they were taken to undisclosed locations and released on the street months or even years later.

 

I don't know if any of these people were invloved in terrorist activities , but for sure I know I'm not. The FBI told me that I'm not a suspect or anything, just routine check, so I'm like,

Oh, yeah, we all get routine FBI checks every once in while , huh?

 

Anyway, it's a scary world out there and you have nothing to fear if you are fortified.

 

don't get caught up.

 

 

 

my grandfather is a turkish muslim who worked for flight safety at the time. we were scared shitless. we didnt go to droubi's imports and food for months...

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Both of those names are in reference to the same person. The writer got confused' date=' I guess.[/quote']

 

 

i stand colorected.

seriously. i can be a real idiot sometimes.

i skimmed that article and did not pick up on that. dayum.

 

 

 

as far as being a muslim, yeah werd

we all know that people were unfairly persecuted after 9.11

tell it to the inner city black people

 

apparently now, because of that 9.11 thing, our entire society is getting roped into that kind of investigative 'technique'

(which is less of a technique and more of a ripping apart of the fabric of this country)

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i stand colorected.

seriously. i can be a real idiot sometimes.

i skimmed that article and did not pick up on that. dayum.

 

 

 

as far as being a muslim, yeah werd

we all know that people were unfairly persecuted after 9.11

tell it to the inner city black people

 

apparently now, because of that 9.11 thing, our entire society is getting roped into that kind of investigative 'technique'

(which is less of a technique and more of a ripping apart of the fabric of this country)

IM JUST CURIOUS..IS IT THE SAME THING WHEN YOU INVADE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PAINT YOUR NAME ON A TRAIN NO WARRENT BASICLY INVADING YOUR WILL AND VIEW TO DO SO AS YOU PLEASE.....

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IM JUST CURIOUS..IS IT THE SAME THING WHEN YOU INVADE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PAINT YOUR NAME ON A TRAIN NO WARRENT BASICLY INVADING YOUR WILL AND VIEW TO DO SO AS YOU PLEASE.....

 

Are you seriously comparing the hardship of haveing paint applied to a wall to the loss of an entire nations freedom?:dunce:

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imagine being an American muslim citizen.....on sept 12 , 2001.

 

I personnally was pulled over more than a dozen times within a month of sept. 11

for being nothing but a muslim (some of the cops admitted it).

They justify it by saying they are under pressure by their superiors.

(I heard that twice)

 

I was even visited by the FBI and I don't know many muslims that werent visited by the

FBI at least once. I even know of people who just disappeared shortly after 9-11 and in some cases nobody knows where they are to this day and in other cases, they were taken to undisclosed locations and released on the street months or even years later.

 

I don't know if any of these people were invloved in terrorist activities , but for sure I know I'm not. The FBI told me that I'm not a suspect or anything, just routine check, so I'm like,

Oh, yeah, we all get routine FBI checks every once in while , huh?

 

Anyway, it's a scary world out there and you have nothing to fear if you are fortified.

 

don't get caught up.

 

That is pretty damn unsettling. After 9.11 it seems like the government just went totally over the edge, like an alcoholic who starts drinking again. I just learned today that the court in Gitmo was using statements coerced from the suspects during torture. The sad thing is, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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