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why did the wtc's collapse? conclusive proof


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Not really cunt, there are people with brains that still scoff at that video. Unfortunately.

 

Yeah, one can only hope I guess. My personal opinion is that this is the 00's JFK, it will go on for years with no definitive outcome other than the garbage of the official version.

Some great insights by others on the topic in this thread though, I'd write more but am 911 worn out after 10 years of debates on other forums...

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It's very thorough and informative. CT's will often point at Building 7 not being mentioned in the report, but the Commission Report's purpose is to talk about what led up to the attacks, the attacks themselves, the immediate aftermath, and what went wrong & how we can prevent it in the future. It's not about structural engineering. Building 7 wasn't the target, nor was the Marriott and other buildings in the complex, although they were all destroyed.

 

The NIST Report talks about what caused the collapse of Building 7 in painstaking detail, so there's no need for it to be mentioned in the Commission Report.

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Funny how you'd rather watch a shitty 1 minute youtube video that "debunks" theories rather than getting into the extensive research, articles, documents, information, DOCUMENTARIES that are way longer than ONE minute long, peer-reviewed research, etc. The 1 minute youtube sums up your denial and conforms with your own personal beliefs to make you feel comfortable enough to say "Nothing suspicious here, move along." HA.

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Maybe you didn't read the whole post, but I said the guy has 61 videos uploaded total, most of which are 5-10 minutes long each. I only provided one quick video since it was a short summary.

 

So, averaged out, that's around 450 minutes of footage on his channel dedicated to debunking conspiracy theories.

 

yea 450 minutes of spiteful bullshit. like i said, this is a 10 year old argument beaten into the ground. if you want to believe this dude and his youtube videos you can do that,

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That's not the report, that's a Q&A "FAQ" that pertains to the report.

 

The entire report on WTC 7 is 130 pages, which can be read here: http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication-search.cfm?pub_id=861610

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It's very thorough and informative. CT's will often point at Building 7 not being mentioned in the report, but the Commission Report's purpose is to talk about what led up to the attacks, the attacks themselves, the immediate aftermath, and what went wrong & how we can prevent it in the future. It's not about structural engineering. Building 7 wasn't the target, nor was the Marriott and other buildings in the complex, although they were all destroyed.

 

The NIST Report talks about what caused the collapse of Building 7 in painstaking detail, so there's no need for it to be mentioned in the Commission Report.

 

 

 

 

The NIST report is a joke, it ignores any evidence that doesn't fit with the official story and members of the panel that drew it up have since come out and said it was a whitewash.

 

The FBI conducted no investigation, all of the physical evidence was taken away by controlled demolition inc after the collapse under FBI guard, never examined and destroyed.

The FBI never offered any evidence that Bin Laden was involved, the only evidence they did release was the paper passport that somehow survived the fireball, they later retracted that with the statement that the passport was 'a rumour that might or might not have been true'

 

There was no insurance company investigation, Lloyds of london insured the towers, they were contacted with evidence that the official story was dubious but refused to do an investigation.

 

The FAA didn't release any evidence, in fact the one piece of evidence they held, recordings of the air traffic controllers, was destroyed.

 

The passenger manifests show no arabic names at all on any of the flights.

 

The video footage from check in had two different timestamps on them, one up in the top right corner as is normal and another showing a completely different time right across the middle of the screen where a timestamp is never used because it obscures the picture.

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Just wondering what Truthers think about Dylan Avery no longer being a Truther.

 

He now refuses to refer to 9/11 as an "inside job", but now claims that the government "let it happen" and was criminally negligent.

 

What's sad is that former Truthers who had recanted their beliefs were vilified by other Truthers as being "CIA agents" and whatnot. This probably explains why Avery is apprehensive about being upfront about his change of heart in this short interview:

 

 

Article: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/trutherism/2011/09/youre_not_paranoid_if_its_true.html

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I really wasn't going to bite on this, but....fuck it.

 

The term "truther" is kind of crazy, and it lumps up any and everybody who thinks something MORE went on then what we know, and this encompasses a wide variety of beliefs from holograms being uses, missiles being fired and who knows what else. Because of this it allows for all people who want answers to being dismissed as some kind of lunatic.

 

Let me ask you a question now, honestly how would you feel if the government came out and said that "Yeah, we didn't help the Saudi's take over those planes and fly them into those tower's, but we just let it happen". Is this any different at all from actually being involved? In any capacity? Because I don't think it is, and personally feel it's just as bad. It would also explain the illegal and unjustifiable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the tarnishing of our civil rights for the passed 11 years.

 

One thing is clear, the official report has holes in it. Those holes should be filled with undeniable answers. Video footage needs to be released that hasn't been, and the questions that real professionals that have brought up should be properly explained. Until this happens I can't imagine how even the most stark government supporter could even brush this off as if it's alright.

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I really wasn't going to bite on this, but....fuck it.

 

The term "truther" is kind of crazy, and it lumps up any and everybody who thinks something MORE went on then what we know, and this encompasses a wide variety of beliefs from holograms being uses, missiles being fired and who knows what else. Because of this it allows for all people who want answers to being dismissed as some kind of lunatic.

 

Let me ask you a question now, honestly how would you feel if the government came out and said that "Yeah, we didn't help the Saudi's take over those planes and fly them into those tower's, but we just let it happen". Is this any different at all from actually being involved? In any capacity? Because I don't think it is, and personally feel it's just as bad. It would also explain the illegal and unjustifiable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the tarnishing of our civil rights for the passed 11 years.

 

One thing is clear, the official report has holes in it. Those holes should be filled with undeniable answers. Video footage needs to be released that hasn't been, and the questions that real professionals that have brought up should be properly explained. Until this happens I can't imagine how even the most stark government supporter could even brush this off as if it's alright.

 

 

I agree that criminal negligence should also warrant prosecutions; i.e. the government knowing about Al Qaeda's 9/11 operation full-well but doing nothing to stop it.

 

But that's a huge leap from saying that 9/11 was plotted & carried out by the government with the planted explosives in the buildings, the remote-controlled cargo planes, the missile being fired at the Pentagon, and paid actors pretending to be victims leaving voicemails to families, and all that other stuff.

 

I think the government didn't act on evidence that they could have, like the judge not allowing the FBI to search Zacarias Moussaoui's laptop which very well could have had evidence on the operation, or Bush not really taking the CIA memo seriously about Bin Laden's determinations to attack within the US and doing no actions to investigate further... But IMHO I don't feel it was criminal negligence. Just the nature of the beast at the time which was the huge bureaucracy and outdated methods of US intelligence. Then the US was just asleep at the wheel and didn't think such a grand-scale attack could happen.

 

 

But I just was shocked that Dylan Avery, one of the pioneers of the 9/11 truth movement, if not THE founder of the movement, had a change of heart.

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Yeah, he doesn't use the phrase "inside job." So what?

 

But then went on to name most of the flaws in the report.

 

Basically stating that he believes almost everything he did before you claim he has had a "change of heart".

 

I don't remember the documentary to be honest. I don't remember what he claimed he thought happened. However it is over 10 years later, I'm sure he has evolved his though process.

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