Lesbian Fisting Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 It doesnt mean he meant to stand down either. I imagine there were a lot of orders while our country was under attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Evidence was ignored in the 9/11 Commission report. What Cheney was referring to: It was either one thing or the other and we know the plane headed towards the Pentagon was not shot down. "Do the orders still stand" implies exactly what you think it implies. At least you think it's a plane. I'm no expert on military strategy, but considering that there was only a few minutes to make a decision, and the consequences of that decision could mean hundreds of people getting killed on the ground and in the air, I cannot say what the order would be. I'm sorry but it's not that obvious. To intercept a moving target, with little hint to its destination, in just a few minutes doesn't seem like it would be too easy. That's neither here nor there though. The standard conspiracy theory is that the buildings were brought down by charges? What about the two planes that hit the towers? It was just a coincidence that at the same time the first plane hijacking (crashed in PA) in decades happened on the same day as the inside job? Unless you believe that the witnesses who spoke to their families on the PA plane were lying or brainwashed or in on it? Were the planes remote controlled? How many people did it take to set the charges in the towers? How many people examined physical evidence from the building that couldn't see evidence of a demolition? Dozens? How were these people converted to the cause? How many people were involved in finding evidence on the hijackers? Dozens more? They were all in on it? How about the hijackers all going to flight school? They did that for shits and giggles, or it didn't happen and all of those witnesses and records were manufactured? The airline companies, the eye witnesses at airports, the flight controllers, all of them were duped or in on it? The structural engineers, the fire experts, the materials scientists, all fooled or in on it? The security at the towers? All in on it or fooled? Everyone in the FBI? In on the conspiracy? I could go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 At least you think it's a plane. I'm no expert on military strategy, but considering that there was only a few minutes to make a decision, and the consequences of that decision could mean hundreds of people getting killed on the ground and in the air, I cannot say what the order would be. I'm sorry but it's not that obvious. To intercept a moving target, with little hint to its destination, in just a few minutes doesn't seem like it would be too easy. That's neither here nor there though. The standard conspiracy theory is that the buildings were brought down by charges? What about the two planes that hit the towers? It was just a coincidence that at the same time the first plane hijacking (crashed in PA) in decades happened on the same day as the inside job? Unless you believe that the witnesses who spoke to their families on the PA plane were lying or brainwashed or in on it? Were the planes remote controlled? How many people did it take to set the charges in the towers? How many people examined physical evidence from the building that couldn't see evidence of a demolition? Dozens? How were these people converted to the cause? How many people were involved in finding evidence on the hijackers? Dozens more? They were all in on it? How about the hijackers all going to flight school? They did that for shits and giggles, or it didn't happen and all of those witnesses and records were manufactured? The airline companies, the eye witnesses at airports, the flight controllers, all of them were duped or in on it? The structural engineers, the fire experts, the materials scientists, all fooled or in on it? The security at the towers? All in on it or fooled? Everyone in the FBI? In on the conspiracy? I could go on... I'm not so convinced that a large plane hit the Pentagon. What about the cleanup? Did you know a lot of that debris is in Fresh Kill Landfill, covered with concrete and under armed guard 24/7 since 9.11.01? The rest was sold to China and turned into a war ship. Security at the towers was run by Marvin Bush up until the day of, in which his companies contract expired. I can handle the rest of your questions at a later time. For now, research that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesbian Fisting Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I saw planes hit 2 buildings that fell at free fall speed, one that was not hit fall at free fall speed, The Pentagon with a small hole in it, and a plane that was probably shot out of the sky and covered up with some "Let's roll!" bullshit Jessica Lynch feel good story. Here you are saying there was a shoot down, yet are arguing for a stand down order. How do both of those work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I think he's talking about the Pentagon, and the plane that fell in Pennsylvania. You know the one where the passenger's "took it down". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesbian Fisting Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 The CIA crack thing was revealed almost immediately, there was some revealed in the Iran/Contra investigation, and further details were teased out by a Justice Department investigation in 1997. Whatever your opinion on Gulf on Tonkin, the event happend in foreign waters with little in the way of investigation after the fact. 9/11 was investigated by thousands of people and happened live on TV, on American soil, and resulted in more than 2000 Americans being killed in the three simultaneous events. There are no witnesses that have come forward, as far as I know, that have made a claim of pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11 within the government. It is simply not possible to keep a secret among that many people for 10 years. If you are asking me to research the amount of people that could have had knowledge and some how died mysteriously before, on the day itself or shortly afterwards, I will. The crack thing being almost immediately? I'm pretty sure rumors/reports started, in the late 80's, and weren't fully revealed until the mid to late 90's. Not too sure how "immediate" that is. It was still being denied by CIA official's up until 1996. To also isolate U.S. government drug trafficing to this lone incident is naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I'm not so convinced that a large plane hit the Pentagon. I can handle the rest of your questions at a later time. For now, research that stuff. I have... and found nothing to convince me otherwise. I guess all the plane parts were planted at the Pentagon? How many people did that take? How about the air traffic controllers who tracked it? All duped? Video evidence? Faked? How many people are we up to now that are in the conspiracy? Seriously, what's your minimum number for how many people it would take to pull the whole conspiracy off? Don't forget to include all the people from the airlines and airports. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I know. He's talking about the first plane that was heading toward the Pentagon, not being shot down, while the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. I don't remember the exact time table for events on that day, but if I remember correctly, the plane in Pennsylvania, went down after the plane crashed into the Pentagon. To me, I'm not sure what happened to that plane in Pennsylvania. Just trying to clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 If you are asking me to research the amount of people that could have had knowledge and some how died mysteriously before, on the day itself or shortly afterwards, I will. The crack thing being almost immediately? I'm pretty sure rumors/reports started, in the late 80's, and weren't fully revealed until the mid to late 90's. Not too sure how "immediate" that is. It was still being denied by CIA official's up until 1996. To also isolate U.S. government drug trafficing to this lone incident is naive. The rumors started in the late 80's, while it was still going on? Sounds pretty immediate to me. Besides, far fewer people were involved in the CIA protecting drug dealers than would need to be for most of the 9/11 conspiracies, so my point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesbian Fisting Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 He's talking about the first plane that was heading toward the Pentagon, not being shot down, while the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. I don't remember the exact time table for events on that day, but if I remember correctly, the plane in Pennsylvania, went down after the plane crashed into the Pentagon. To me, I'm not sure what happened to that plane in Pennsylvania. Just trying to clarify. The plane hit the Pentagon at 9:43am. The plane in Shanksville hit the ground at 10;03am. Casek is saying that there was a stand down order, but claims Flight 93 was shot down, contradicting that stand down order. Plus the white plane theory have been debunked. It was a corporate jet from Wrangler Jeans on a decent who was asked to locate the crash site of 93. The copilot was Yates Gladwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 The plane hit the Pentagon at 9:43am. The plane in Shanksville hit the ground at 10;03am. Casek is saying that there was a stand down order, but claims Flight 93 was shot down, contradicting that stand down order. Plus the white plane theory have been debunked. It was a corporate jet from Wrangler Jeans on a decent who was asked to locate the crash site of 93. The copilot was Yates Gladwell. I'm saying that they stood down for the Pentagon, and the plane that got blown the fuck up over Shanksville was shot down by someone not following orders. Otherwise, it would have plowed into the Whitehouse. There is testimony concerning this. Lemme go back and answer your other question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 I have... and found nothing to convince me otherwise. I guess all the plane parts were planted at the Pentagon? How many people did that take? How about the air traffic controllers who tracked it? All duped? Video evidence? Faked? How many people are we up to now that are in the conspiracy? Seriously, what's your minimum number for how many people it would take to pull the whole conspiracy off? Don't forget to include all the people from the airlines and airports. :) There were barely any plane parts at the Pentagon. The maneuver to crash into it was impossible. Not even well trained fighter pilots could pull it off. What video evidence? I see a fireball at the Pentagon. No plane hitting it. Hard to believe for having over 75 cameras around that particular section. Hard to believe as the Pentagon is one of the most highly protected buildings in the entire world. The people at the airlines and airports wouldn't have to be included. My minimum number guess would probably be a few hundred. Less at the top. The others being told "this is for your country" as most black ops folks have been told. I know a guy who is former black ops. He's no stranger to such commands. He also believes 9/11 was an inside job because of his former career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 The rumors started in the late 80's, while it was still going on? Sounds pretty immediate to me. Besides, far fewer people were involved in the CIA protecting drug dealers than would need to be for most of the 9/11 conspiracies, so my point still stands. Nope. You're wrong. A shit ton of people were involved in the CIA's drug dealing escapades. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/873 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 There were barely any plane parts at the Pentagon. The maneuver to crash into it was impossible. Not even well trained fighter pilots could pull it off. not according the site you posted the other day. "My conclusion is, the manever looks possible, for guys like me and you." http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Nope. You're wrong. A shit ton of people were involved in the CIA's drug dealing escapades. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/873 Those are long articles, care to point out the part that supports your argument? Either way, the secret got out. You claim that 100's of people are keeping the secret of 1000's of our own innocent people being murdered by our own government in one day. But they couldn't keep these other less important and less damaging secrets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 There were barely any plane parts at the Pentagon. http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm that's a lot of witnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesbian Fisting Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 The plane crashed IN TO the Pentagon, not at the Pentagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesbian Fisting Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm I dont know what your photo is trying to show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 A hole too small for a large passenger jet. Show me video of that fucker going into the Pentagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastZeetec302 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 no plane went into the pentagon. we all know bush littered the scene with jet parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesbian Fisting Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 The hole was made by the landing gear being pushed by the explosion. You think a 757 makes a cartoon punch out on the 3rd ring of the building? Show me a video of a missile hitting the Pentagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 The hole was made by the landing gear being pushed by the explosion. You think a 757 makes a cartoon punch out on the 3rd ring of the building? Show me a video of a missile hitting the Pentagon. So, you think the wings "melted"? The burden of proof is now upon you. Show me a plane hitting that fucking building. Oh? You can't? Why? Because only five frames of video were released to the public. When 75 cameras are on that side alone, and they only release five frames....something is rotten in Denmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastZeetec302 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 the wings and tail are like butter when a plane is going 200 mph or how ever fast they go, and then hit something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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