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I just read in the paper that some older men at the musalla some of the kids worshipped at fully knew these kids had misguided views of Islam.


Hisham Syed, who considered himself a spiritual advisor to them, said he worried about one youg man in particular - Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19 - who had come under the influence of a fiery preacher at the musalla.


"I know he (Durrani) was reading a lot of twisted stuff on the Internet," he said. "There's a lot of nonsense on the Net taht messes up people's heads."


Syed added that he would get into political discussions with the young man that would become quite heated.


Durran, who has been charged with training and recruiting for a terrorst group, would often spend time with two younger friends at Stephen Leacock Collegiate who were also taken into custody. "They all hung out together," said Syed.



I think Muslims should maybe look out for this type of behaviour and report it. It won't happen, and you can call me what you want, but this type of shit definitely needs to be snitched. But has that ever happened at a mosque, the principal place where these terrorists recruit and discuss their disgusting ideas? Even after all that the world has gone through, I doubt it.

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Here's another twist that makes me so FUCKING ANGRY.....


not only were they planning on blowing up a big chunk of Parliment Hill,

but they were planning on doing random shootings likethe beltway sniper.


what teh fuck would that prove assholes?

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I'm beginning to wonder how much of this was provoked. I'm starting to smell entrapment.

Look at this from the Houston Chronicle:


Another neighbor, Peter Smith, said a half-dozen SWAT team officers converged on the home Friday evening and began screaming at the family to get outside and get down on the ground. Even the young children were handcuffed, Smith said.


"Other kids were yelling, 'Terrorists! Terrorists!' and they were asking their mom, 'Mom, are we terrorists?'" he said.


That is just sad... "Mom, are we terrorists?"


Another imam, Aly Hindy, said he knew nine of the suspects and complained that CSIS has unfairly targeted his mosque and congregants for years.


"They have been harassed by CSIS agents and this is what they come up with?" Hindy said. "I'm almost sure that most of these people will be freed."

Now if the climate in Canada is anything like it has been in the US I would not be surprised if they were victims of hate crimes by citizens AND the government. Alot of them are very young, still growing, and way too young to have a developed understanding of politics and international affairs. They have been under the influence of Jamal, they are identifying with him possibly because of their personal life experiences, not necessarily because they are identifying with the struggle of muslims on the otherside of the world.

I can see a similarity with the DC sniper case. A kid and his father figure. I wonder where Malvos parents were in all this... or his neighbors, anyone who could have recognized how wrong this is. Mohammed was disgruntled about a divorce, and got twisted off that, that they plotted to kill kids in schoolyards, and pretty much randomly shot people.

A major problem developing in western culture is our growing disconnection from others. I'm not going to go into detail on this because there's reams of reports that do a better job. But disconnection, ignorance, disengagement.... even a lack of empathy. So much so that many of us don't even know our own neighbors anymore. We live in personalized prisons, our understanding of our own culture comes from a grossly distorted media which can only make generalizations because it's not personal like our own everyday experiences. It creates a hysteria which people internalize and personalize and then project that hysteria onto reality. Ok that probably sounded like a bunch of weird psychobabble but maybe somebody understands what I"m trying to get at.

Not that I'm condoning this or anything, I'm just trying to understand what this is really about. I didn't even see an article and look how quickly people jump to conclusions. If you were being systematically ostracized by society, denigrated, victimized, harrassed, spied on, etc. etc. etc. it might make even YOU a little crazy, paranoid, anti-whatever..... that was intentionally an understatement, because I don't think you really understand unless you experience this. Think about that.

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Just to do a test of hysteria and memetic distortion and stereotypes;

how many of you think I am a muslim terrorist, yankee invader, nazi cop, wife beater, of asian persuasion, child molesting cult leader, undercover gay, the antichrist, just plain weird, or the ultimate super-villain?

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If you were some muslim teenager who was slightly depressed, got rejected by a white girl at the club, then had someone say something racist to you, you would still not get a free pass to even THINK about killiing innocent lives.


Sometimes the difference between right and wrong can be blurry, but not in the case of terrorism.


Maybe some of these people will be freed. Either way, I don't see anyone here doing more than fifteen years. That is unfortunate if anyone is found guilty.


Pedophiles get ridiculously easy sentences in this country. It will be no different regarding convicted terrorists, I'd imagine. So much for making terrorism "uncool" to these dumb fucks.



This all reminds me of the days when I'd see people I went to high school with getting recruited by Heritage Front. I used to laugh about that. But explosives and mass destruction are a different story altogether.



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Just to do a test of hysteria and memetic distortion and stereotypes;

how many of you think I am a muslim terrorist, yankee invader, nazi cop, wife beater, of asian persuasion, child molesting cult leader, undercover gay, the antichrist, just plain weird, or the ultimate super-villain?



I always thought a mix of invader, undercover gay, and a supervillain.

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You may be right as well Weapon XXX. I always thought of Canada as significantly more progressive, liberal, and cosmopolitan than the US. Perhaps this has changed since the new Prime Minister came into office? I really don't know. Could the PM be projecting his racism into reality by criminalizing muslims? I don't know. That is a coincidence that should recieve some consideration, since the idea of canadian terrorists was almost an outlandish thought before. Now suddenly there's a grip of them at an otherwise normal mosque that has never supported terrorism.

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Just to do a test of hysteria and memetic distortion and stereotypes;

how many of you think I am a muslim terrorist, yankee invader, nazi cop, wife beater, of asian persuasion, child molesting cult leader, undercover gay, the antichrist, just plain weird, or the ultimate super-villain?


Oh I forgot to throw porn star in there.

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This definitely has nothing to do with our new PM.


Man, I just think that these kids are exploiting their own religion to serve their own fucked up angst-ridden, evil driven purposes. These are second generation Canadians, and because they are Muslim, I think it makes it easy for them to look to Osama bin Laden and his kind as a hero. And this is where the parents, the mosque and themselves fail at life miserably.

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Oh I forgot to throw porn star in there.


Oh and pop star.... this may go on for days.



Are you absolutely sure the PM is not aggressively targeting muslims in official and unofficial and illegal capacities? These kids are definately misguided.... but killers are made not born. I'm just trying to understand what the underlying causes of this are.

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Basically the point I'm trying to make is that people will live out the identities and stereotypes assigned to them very often. If you are raised in a catholic family, more than likely you are going to be catholic. If you were a jock in high school, you are probably a fat alcoholic wife beater now... lol If you were a nerd in high school you are probably bill gates. If you treat me like shit I'm probably going to hate you.

If you have never read about the Stanford Prison Experiment you should check this out.


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Canada Police Use Sting in Terror Arrests

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police itself delivered three tons of potential bomb-making material to a group that authorities said wanted to launch a string of attacks inspired by al-Qaida, according to a news report Sunday.


The Toronto Star said the sting unfolded when investigators delivered the ammonium nitrate to the group of Muslim Canadians, then moved in quickly on what officials called a homegrown terror ring.


The newspaper said that investigators learned of the group's alleged plan to bomb targets around Ontario, then controlled the sale and transport of the fertilizer.


Authorities refused to discuss the Star's story and have revealed few details of the purported plot, or how the sting developed.


Police arrested 12 adults, ages 19 to 43, and five suspects younger than 18 Friday and Saturday on charges including plotting attacks with explosives on Canadian targets.


The oldest, Qayyum Abdul Jamal, led prayers at a storefront mosque attended by some 40 to 50 families down the street from his home in a middle-class neighborhood of Mississauga, west of Toronto.


Imam Qamrul Khanson said the language of Jamal's Friday night prayers had a more aggressive tone than other prayer leaders', but there was never any talk of terrorism or violence.


Khanson said at least three of the suspects regularly prayed at the Al-Rahman Islamic Center for Islamic Education.


"Here we always preach peace and moderation," Khanson said at the one-room mosque.


"I have faith that they have done a thorough investigation," Khanson said of authorities. "But just the possession of ammonium nitrate doesn't prove that they have done anything wrong.


Officials said the operation involved some 400 intelligence and law-enforcement officers and was the largest counterterrorism operation in Canada since the adoption of Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.


A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation, said Web surfing and e-mail among the suspects led to the start of the probe in 2004.


"The Internet was, according to the police, was a very important part of their activities," Canada's ambassador to Washington, Michael Wilson, said in an interview on CNN's "Late Edition."


Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the Canadian operation was "obviously a great success for the Canadians."


The 17 suspects represent a spectrum of Canadian society, from the unemployed to the college-educated. The 12 adults live in Toronto, Mississauga and Kingston, Ontario.


Police said the suspects, all citizens or residents of Canada, had trained together.


Cpl. Michele Paradis, a spokeswoman for the Mounties, said no more arrests were expected in coming days.


"Once we once analyze and sort through everything that was seized as a result there may be (more arrests)," she said. "At this point we are confident that we have the majority of people."


Rocco Galati, a lawyer for two of the men from Mississauga, said: "Both of their families are very well-established professionals, well-established families, no criminal pasts whatsoever.


He described Ahmad Ghany, 21, as a Canada-born health sciences graduate of McMaster University whose father, a physician, emigrated from Trinidad and Tobago in 1955.


His other client, Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, is an unmarried computer programmer who emigrated from Egypt at age 10 with his father, Galati said.


Two suspects, Mohammed Dirie, 22, and Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, already are in an Ontario prison serving two-year terms for possession of illegal weapons.


Neighbors said the oldest suspect, Jamal, was often home and did not seem to work regularly, although his wife drove a schoolbus. The couple has three small children, neighbors said.


Brazilian immigrant Jerry Tavares said Jamal was unfriendly and rarely spoke with neighbors.


Lawyers and relatives of other suspects could not be reached for comment Sunday.


Mike McDonnell, an assistant commissioner with the Mounties, said Saturday that the amount of ammonium nitrate acquired by the alleged terror cell was three times that used to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people and injuring more than 800.


The fertilizer is safe by itself, but when mixed with fuel oil or other ingredients, it makes a powerful explosive.


There was no indication that Canadian police altered the fertilizer to make it unusable in a bomb.


The FBI said the Canadian suspects might have had "limited contact" with two men recently arrested on terrorism charges in Georgia. There was no indication Sunday, however, that the 17 detainees were trying to plan an attack in the United States.


Another imam, Aly Hindy, said he knew nine of the suspects and complained that Canada's spy agency, CSIS, has unfairly targeted his mosque and congregants for years.


"They have been harassed by CSIS agents and this is what they come up with?" Hindy said. "I'm almost sure that most of these people will be freed."


Engineer Mohammed Abdelhaleen said he feared his son, Shareef, had already been convicted in the court of public opinion.


"He just goes and prays in a mosque," the father said. "That's all he does."


Muslim leaders voiced worries about a backlash.


A mosque in northwest Toronto was vandalized, with 25 windows and three doors smashed, police said.


Mohamed Elmasry, president of the Canadian Islamic Congress, told The Associated Press that he and other Muslim leaders were getting threatening e-mails.






One Year Anniversary of “Project Thread” PreDawn Raid


24 men arrested, only 7 remain.


Vigil in Toronto August 13th, 2004 5:30pm


Corner of Gerrard and Highfield One Block East of Greenwood


Help us mark this day.


TTC Directions: Subway to Coxwell Station Bus #22 to Gerrard Walk two Blocks west on Gerrard Corner of Gerrard and Highfield


On the eve of August 14th, we will gather to mark the day on which the RCMP and Immigration Canada officials began a terrible spiral of events which has forever altered the lives of a group of 24 South Asian Muslim men. As a result of a predawn raid part of “Project Thread”, the majority of the men have been deported from Canada, while those that remain must live each day waiting and hoping for a positive resolution to their applications currently pending before Immigration officials.


Early on August 14th, one year ago, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) arrested 19 South Asian Muslim men in a predawn raid. Five other men were arrested in the following weeks. The raid was part of “Project Thread”, a joint investigation of Citizenship and Immigration Canada and the RCMP, which claimed to have uncovered an “Al Qaeda sleeper cell”.


But the allegations, which ranged from plotting to destroy the CN Tower and the Pickering Nuclear Plant to setting off a radioactive “dirty bomb,” were based on “evidence” such as that airline posters, put up by a roommate whose father works for Lufthansa, were airplane “schematics.” One suspect was accused of examining the Pickering Nuclear Plant when in fact he was in Pakistan at the time. Another piece of so-called evidence was that when the Project Thread detainees were crammed in an apartment together, many of them hadn’t ever cooked before and they would burn meals.


Despite the fact that all terror allegations were dropped and no charges ever laid, no statement of exoneration has been issued, nor have their names been publicly cleared. Meanwhile, the men continued to be kept in maximum security prison for months and the majority then deported. The premise for detention and deportation became one of minor immigration violations, irregardless of Canada’s implicit role in creating a situation that made refugees of the men.


While in prison, guards at the Maplehurst Jail regularly awakened the detainees with jibes of ‘Hey, Wake up Taliban’ and ‘Wake up Al-Qaeda’. One of the men, married on July 10, 2003, received a request for annulment from his wife while still in prison. The men were denied access to lawyers and legal aid and coerced into waving their right to the Pre-Removal Risk Assessment (PRRA) process. Immigration officials blatantly lied to them telling them that signing these waivers would mean a quick release from jail, when all it meant was speedy deportation. Twelve men were quickly and unscrupulously deported from Canada directly from prison, after Immigration Canada authorities rushed them through pre-removal processes. Five men were subsequently also removed. Of 24 men, a total of 17 have been deported.


As a result of the so-called terror raid, the men had their faces flashed across international media outlets. Many of the men subsequently made the decision to stay and make refugee claims, after their lives were put at risk as a result of unfounded accusations of terrorism, rather than return to Pakistan – a country already wracked by great unrest and sectarian violence.


For those who were deported, the circumstances faced upon return were as such: three of the men were taken into federal custody and interrogated for 16 hours. Despite the lack of evidence and never having been criminally charged in Canada, these men are under continued investigation by the Pakistani government. As a result, they are unable to leave the country. Sajaad Ahmad, a certified physician, has lost his life’s work, as no hospital will allow him to continue his practice. The impossibility of finding work for all of the men has left them and their families struggling to survive. Khaled Jehinger, another one of the ex-detainees, was attacked and beaten by four masked men on motorcycles, who called him a terrorist and told him to go back to Canada. The police, with knowledge of the unfounded terror allegations, nevertheless refused to provide him a police report and as a result, numerous hospitals refused to admit him. After begging and pleading for treatment, Khaled was eventually hospitalized for five days.


The Government of Canada has never issued an apology for its actions. The men who were arrested have never had their names cleared. And as yet, there has been no resolution to the men’s outstanding Immigration status.


Project Threadbare is a community group which formed after the raid, to offer support and solidarity to those caught up in the unfounded sweep. In the face of increased targeting of Muslims and South Asians, coupled with state repression of community-based social justice organizing, Threadbare and its supporters must continue to strengthen existing networks and build new connections with people of color, immigrant communities, activist groups, and all other supportive constituencies. This struggle is crucial not only in gaining justice for these men, but in the long-term struggle waged by people of colour against racist state targeting and unjust immigration policy. We will not stand by silently while these attacks continue to hurt our communities.


Vigil in Toronto August 13th, 2004 5:30pm Corner of Gerrard and Highfield One Block East of Greenwood


Help us mark this day.


TTC Directions: Subway to Coxwell Station Bus #22 to Gerrard Walk two Blocks west on Gerrard Corner of Gerrard and Highfield


For more info, please contact: Farrah Miranda, Project Threadbare 416.605.9652




Canada Muslims condemn alleged bomb plot

Lawyer calls charges 'vague' as 12 adults, 5 youths await hearings


TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian Muslim organizations have condemned an alleged plot to bomb Toronto-area buildings, while a lawyer for one of the 17 suspects in custody called the charges against them "vague."


"We are committed to the safety and security of Canada and Canadians," said Mohammad Alam, president of the Islamic Foundation of Toronto. "We of all Canadians are shocked at the recent arrests of young Muslim men and teenagers and the very serious allegation against them."


Canadian authorities rounded up a group of 17 Muslim men and boys suspected of plotting to bomb major buildings in the Toronto area, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police announced Saturday. Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell said the group posed "a real and serious threat."


Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, said the suspects were followers of "a violent ideology inspired by al Qaeda."


And McDonell said they had taken steps to acquire three tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.


But while Canadian Muslims may be angry about issues like the war in Iraq or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, "That should not be an excuse for any hateful extreme or violent behavior by any person or group," Alam said.


And Sheik Husain Patel, a spokesman for the Canadian Council of Muslim Theologians, said the allegations against the young men represented "anti-Islamic behavior" if true.


"Any threat to Canada poses a threat to Muslims in Canada as well," he said. "Thus, we are relieved that the alleged plans to attack targets in Canada were thwarted."


But Toronto police said they have increased patrols around mosques in the city after a northwest Toronto Islamic center was vandalized in what Police Chief William Blair called a possible hate crime.


"There is no accusation being made against the Muslim community. Our accusations pertain only to the actions of 17 young men," Blair said.


He said Toronto was one of the world's most diverse cities, where people of all cultures, religions and languages lived together peacefully, "and we should not let anyone take that peace prosperity and respect away from us."


Patel said the accused were innocent until proven guilty -- "But if they are proven guilty after being given due process, then this is a wake-up call -- especially for Muslim leaders -- that more must be done to make sure that our children do not get involved in activities that are contrary to the teachings of Islam."


He said Muslim leaders had to emphasize to their followers that "You cannot justify even a legal goal by using illegal means."


All 17 have been charged under Canadian anti-terrorism laws, Mountie spokeswoman Michelle Paradis said, but details of the charges were not likely to be made public until a bail hearing Tuesday in Brampton, Ontorio.


Fifteen of the 17 were being held in Brampton, Paradis said. She did not disclose the locations of the other two suspects, but said they were likely to appear in court on Wednesday. (Full list of adult suspects)


Attorney Rocco Galati, who is representing two of the suspects, told CNN both men were charged with assisting in the procurement of property to facilitate terrorist activity.


"These are absolutely vague, oblique charges," he said. "Not one single shred of evidence was presented to the clients in court and they won't release the alleged information to us."


Galati identified his clients as Ahmad Ghany, 22, and Abdel Halim, 30. He said Ghany was a Canadian-born graduate of McMaster University with no criminal history.


And he questioned the timing of the arrests, saying they came one week before the Canadian supreme court was to hear a case involving how evidence was heard in anti-terrorism cases.

'Political move'


"I believe these men are being rounded up as part of a political move to affect the judges," Galati said.


Another attorney, Answer Farooq, said he was representing five of the suspects and had met with them briefly, but had not yet seen detailed evidence or charges.


A U.S. counterterrorism official said some of the suspects in Canada, as well as the two arrested in the United States, had communications with suspected terrorists overseas -- including some taken into custody last fall in Britain. The counterterrorism official confirmed information originally reported by the Los Angeles Times.


And FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said Saturday that some of the Canadian suspects had been in contact with two men arrested in Georgia who were accused of videotaping buildings in Washington, including the Capitol and the World Bank headquarters. But Kolko said, "There is no current outstanding threat to any targets on U.S. soil emanating from this case."


A senior Canadian official told CNN the suspects were a self-contained group, connected through the Internet. (Watch police chief describe how suspects got bomb materials -- 0:36)


The government had been watching the suspects for a while and decided to move ahead with arrests because of concerns they might be close to staging attacks, the official said.


Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Saturday the target of the alleged terror plot "was Canada -- Canadian institutions, the Canadian economy, the Canadian people.


"As at other times in our history, we are a target, because of who we are and how we live, our society, our diversity and our values -- values such as freedom, democracy and the rule of law." (Watch Canada's prime minister explain why his country was targeted -- 1:24)




CSIS: Canada Joins the Intel Op Club

Sunday June 04th 2006, 1:03 pm


On its face, the story of the “al-Qaeda inspired homegrown terrorist group” supposedly caught “plotting to bomb ‘hard’ government targets rather than ’soft’ civilian ones such as shopping malls or nightclubs” in Canada, as characterized by the Calgary Sun, is highly suspect, to say the least. It should be considered suspect because the organization heading up the investigation of “12 adults and five youths, all of whom are charged with participating in or contributing to the activity of a terrorist group, including training and recruitment” is the notorious CSIS, or Canadian Security Intelligence Service (Service Canadien du Renseignement de Sécurité), officially created by an Act of Parliament in 1984.


A simple Google search reveals a shady CSIS past, including a calculated effort to tell lies about Canada’s involvement in the CIA’s “rendition” (i.e., torture) flights (see Riad Saloojee, Public inquiry needed for Arar: Is Canada subcontracting torture?) and the slimy act of the CSIS teaming up with the Canada Post Security Inspector to snoop on unionized postal workers, including illegally intercepting the mail and stealing Crown keys to get into apartments and mail boxes (see New Book Shows CSIS, Canada Post Spied On Postal Workers, an April 22, 2002, bulletin released by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers).


It is also suspect that CSIS deputy director Jack Hooper “told the Senate defense and security committee [on May 29, 2006] that a lack of resources has meant 90% of the estimated 20,000 immigrants from the region have entered Canada in the last five years without proper screening,” according to CNews. “Hooper said home-grown terrorists are fast becoming the greatest threat to Canada’s national security. Second and third-generation Canadians are becoming radicalized here ‘including white Anglo-Saxon Protestant converts’ and are eluding authorities because they blend in with mainstream society.” A few days later, Hooper’s warning played itself out like well oiled clockwork, approximately at the same time alleged Islamic radicals were caught building a chemical bomb in London.


Jasper Gerard, writing for the Sunday Times, provides us with a glimpse of what is behind this effort, quite transparent if you have done your homework. “Historians will surely look back on the folly: that a frighteningly tiny number of intelligence officers frantically try to infiltrate cells of Islamic terrorists that spring up in London, Yorkshire, who knows where?” In other words, snoop and subvert operations, once again resulting in gunfire by trigger-happy cops in East London, wounding a suspect (who was lucky he was not executed, a fate suffered by Jean Charles de Menezes inside the Stockwell Tube station), are woefully understaffed and anemically funded, a whimsical notion at best as most intelligence agencies operate without oversight. In fact, as I noted in a post earlier today, these “frighteningly tiny number of intelligence officers” are quite adept at infiltrating “cells of Islamic terrorists” who go on to blow up, by way of pointless suicide bombing, trains and a double-decker bus outside of the legendary Tavistock Institute, an all-war, all-the-time propaganda operation set-up by the likes of the British royal family, the Rockefellers, and the Rothschilds.


Canada’s version of a neocon leader, PM Stephen Harper, wasted little time squeezing as much mileage as possible out of the supposed foiled terror attack in Ontario, and thus sending the message to all Canadians (and the Straussian neocons to the south) that police state militarization is on track in Canada. “Surrounded by tanks, army trucks and anti-aircraft guns, Prime Minister Stephen Harper told 225 new Canadian Forces recruits and their families Saturday that Canadians cannot escape a dangerous world by turning a blind eye to it,” reports the National Post, a neocon tabloid that suffered a black eye after it ran the discredited Iran zonar story a couple weeks ago. “Speaking at Ottawa’s Canadian War Museum to new recruits from Ontario and Quebec one a day after the arrest of 17 alleged terrorists in southern Ontario Harper said the government will continue its efforts to ensure national security.” One must admit the Canadian variety of neocon has the same knack for exploiting probable intelligence ops as their southern brethren.


Canada, Britain, Australia, swaths of Europe—all are quickly lining up behind the “clash of civilizations” agenda with its attendant police state program for domestic implementation. In Canada, the slimy CSIS, following in the footsteps of East Germany’s Stasi, will enter homes and open mail, thus taking a cue from the neocons here in America as they vacuum incalculable petabytes of personal data with the eager help of multinational telecom corporations and snoop on the usually enfeebled opposition, down to insignificant antiwar hippies handing out peanut butter sandwiches outside of Halliburton’s offices in Texas, obviously an act of treason.


It now appears, rather frighteningly, that these burgeoning intel orgs, apparently merging into one huge intel monolith, or possibly a less formal collaboration, are ramping up to finger all Muslims in their respective countries, attributing unspeakable crimes to them through state sponsored false flag terrorism, and eventually tracing this massive conspiracy back to the nations figuring prominently on the Straussian neocon and Israeli Likudite hit list, beginning with Iran, in short order, and eventually expanding outward to encompass Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.

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I dont think these kids are going to walk for two main reasons;


The Conservatives want to prove to the US that we're not soft on crime

(especially with talk of a fence on the border), and extra expecially not terrorism.


The Crown completely FUCKED the Air India bombing case, so that even if those

two guys had nothing to do with it, no one felt closer to the truth after the trial.

They dont want something like that to happen again.

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So many possibilities . . . for courts

Jun. 5, 2006. 10:32 AM




Suppose, just suppose, that one or more of the 17 charged yesterday with terrorism is innocent.


This is not the common assumption. I suspect most Canadians assume that Ontario was in great danger from terrorists, that police nipped this danger in the bud and that all of the 12 adults and five young people they arrested are guilty.


All of which may be true. Terrorists do exist. There is the terror we don't think about, committed by nation states under the rubric of security sweeps or targeted reprisals. And there is the terror we do think about, the terrorism of misguided individuals, loons, right-wing militias or Al Qaeda and its Islamist acolytes.


Militant Islamists have committed outrages in the United States, Indonesia, Spain and Britain to counter what they see as the crimes of these countries against Muslims. There is no obvious reason to assume that similar criminals won't try the same thing here.


All of which is to say that the Mounties may be absolutely correct when they say they stopped the 17 from using homemade detonators and three tonnes of fertilizer to blow up as yet unspecified targets in southern Ontario.


There may indeed have been a terrorist conspiracy that involved what the RCMP assistant commissioner Mike McDonell yesterday referred to as "training areas," where militants tramped about in big boots, cooked on outdoor barbecues, built bombs and used a wooden door for target practice.


That's the implication from the evidence shown to reporters yesterday: five pairs of boots in camouflage drab, six flashlights, one set of walkie-talkies, one voltmeter, one knife, eight D-cell batteries, a cellphone, a circuit board, a computer hard drive, one barbecue grill, one set of tongs suitable for turning hot dogs, a wooden door with 21 marks on it and a 9-mm handgun.


Or it is possible that the only thing that these bits of evidence prove is that a group of young men went somewhere where they tramped around in big boots, cooked on barbecues, played soldier and generally acted like jerks — which young men are occasionally wont to do.


The three tonnes of ammonium nitrate allegedly purchased was, as McDonell said, three times the amount used in the Oklahoma terror bombing of 1995.


But, as he also said, farmers routinely buy three tonnes of ammonium nitrate "every day." They use it for fertilizer, not bombs.


In short, we don't know much yet about what these men and boys were trying to do. We don't know if this series of arrests, called Operation O-Sage by the Mounties, pre-empted the kind of actions that in the United Kingdom led to last year's bombing of the London subway by otherwise unremarkable young Britons.


That's one possibility. It's certainly the explanation favoured by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who yesterday praised the police.


Another is that this is a reprise of the infamous 2003 Project Thread fiasco, in which RCMP and immigration officials accused 23 Muslims of terrorism only to acknowledge later that at most the men were guilty of minor immigration fraud.


Still another possibility is that this may turn out to be Canada's version of the 2004 Virginia "paintball" trial, in which one man was sentenced to life and another got 85 years.


In that controversial case (even the presiding judge complained the outcome was unfair), nine Muslim men were convicted of participating in terrorist training — the main evidence being that they had played paintball in the woods outside Washington.


What we do know about Operation O-Sage is that the RCMP, as well as the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, have been tracking the suspects since 2004. We also know that at least some of their neighbours knew police were watching them. Presumably, some of the suspects did, too.


If the alleged conspirators knew they were under surveillance, it seems odd that they continued along merrily with plans to make explosives.


But perhaps they are not bright terrorists. Or perhaps they are not terrorists at all.


With luck, we will get these answers at trial. This time at least, Canada has chosen to deal with alleged terrorists in the proper way, by charging them with criminal offences and allowing the case to come to court — in Canada.


For too long, the government's preferred option was to let others handle our problems. In 2002, CSIS agents escorted alleged Canadian terrorist Mohamed Mansour Jabarah across the border so he could be arrested by the FBI and convicted in a secret trial. Later that year, the RCMP co-operated with the Americans to have them arrest Canadian suspect Maher Arar in New York (he was later transferred to Syria to be tortured).


Five other alleged terrorists are simply being detained without charge under Canada's very elastic immigration act until they can be deported.


So, in this context, the 2004 decision to charge Canadian Mohammad Momin Khawaja for terrorism and yesterday's unrelated decision to charge the 17 are welcome. At least the accused aren't being sent to Syria.


During the next few days, much will be written and broadcast on the 17. Their lives will be re-examined through the prism of the arrests as reporters try to retrace the steps that allegedly led them to violent jihad. Unnamed security sources will leak details designed to bolster the police case. Families and friends will proclaim the innocence of those charged.


Take it all with a grain of salt. We know that police arrested people. We know they seized some materials — all legal — that can be used to make explosives. So far, we don't know much else.



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nice selection of articles casek.

i just realized this. you see, we all (myself included) fell for the groupthink hysteria, and now that the mold is broken, lots and lots more information and facets are coming to light. a microcosm of the phenomenon I was trying to explain.

so now I know that our neighbors to the north are capable of the same imperial excesses we experience here.

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This is playing out like a desperate last minute power grab.

Latin America is becoming more liberated all the time.

The globalists greed fucked themselves in Iraq, which is destroying this country, but they don't care as long as they can fill their pockets. They would run this ship aground.

The power center of the world shifted to europe.

American currency is on the decline.

Piling on the deficit.

Our international reputation is pretty much fucked now.

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Even if people are exagerating what "could" have happened,

it doesn't change the fact that they were actively folowwing a plan

that would have led to the death of many innocent people.

Just talking about online, like these people did, isn't a crime,

but to stage a training camp and smuggle guns (in from the States BTW)

is clearly the start of something beyond 'online chat threats'.



and just so you know, one of my long time friends from junior high

is curently working in the parliment buildings that they may have been targeting.

Plus I've worked with people in the CBC offices and have been in those buildings myself.

If anyone thinks that killing me or my friends would help get Canada out of Afghanistan..... they're nuts.

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