coffeedependency Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 let me help you. Federal Source to ABC News: We Know Who You're Calling May 15, 2006 10:33 AM Brian Ross and Richard Esposito Report: A senior federal law enforcement official tells ABC News the government is tracking the phone numbers we (Brian Ross and Richard Esposito) call in an effort to root out confidential sources. "It's time for you to get some new cell phones, quick," the source told us in an in-person conversation. ABC News does not know how the government determined who we are calling, or whether our phone records were provided to the government as part of the recently-disclosed NSA collection of domestic phone calls. Other sources have told us that phone calls and contacts by reporters for ABC News, along with the New York Times and the Washington Post, are being examined as part of a widespread CIA leak investigation. One former official was asked to sign a document stating he was not a confidential source for New York Times reporter James Risen. Our reports on the CIA's secret prisons in Romania and Poland were known to have upset CIA officials. The CIA asked for an FBI investigation of leaks of classified information following those reports. People questioned by the FBI about leaks of intelligence information say the CIA was also disturbed by ABC News reports that revealed the use of CIA predator missiles inside Pakistan. Under Bush Administration guidelines, it is not considered illegal for the government to keep track of numbers dialed by phone customers. The official who warned ABC News said there was no indication our phones were being tapped so the content of the conversation could be recorded. A pattern of phone calls from a reporter, however, could provide valuable clues for leak investigators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 thanks coffee, but i have the article in my browsers history. I was more concerned with the way google allows headlines to sit and to what side the way they present stories and links might lean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeedependency Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 and you have it personalized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted May 17, 2006 Author Share Posted May 17, 2006 i think some of those other angles were in that presentation i mentioned. I was never able to pin down a copy of the presentation and it has since dissappeared. Every link that I had to it was taken down within a couple weeks after it floated around. The fact that information has been dissappearing on the internet is very disheartening to me. I need to start a thread on the headline patterns of Google news. For two years now I have been reading google news almost every couple hours, (as my life permits, because im not a wacked out nutto who does nothing but this) and i have seen some crazy shit happen in terms of the running times and actual links to different articles. Time and time again Ill see an article with some rather stirring implications that will out of no where be gone, and in its place an article of the opposite opinion is placed using the same thumbnail and similar headling wording. Yesterday I read an article I was linked to by google news, about abc news making claims that the government is sifting through their phone records to find the upper government leaks. The page refreshed itself, as it is scripted to, and in the place of that link, was a simlarly titled article but was pro NSA wiretapping. I searched through six pages of related stories to the NSA phonetapping and could not find the original article from which I had been linked. Same shit happened with the recent environmental reports that have been coming out. All in all i think some fucked up shit is going on, but im not gonna say that on the phone though. seen that, too. check drudge report for similar patterns. doesn't that make you feel crazy to witness that? i know it does me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 HAHA, the local Fox news anchor started this story tonight by saying: "The DoD released some... uh... blurry pictures today... um...." and then he went on with the story. He talked to some reporter n D.C. who said there are at least 5 other sources of video we haven't seen including some film from a convenience sture surveillance cam. The reporter said she didn't know if they were gonna release those shots but that they would almost certainly be shot from a wider angle and we could most likely see the entire jet in a single frame (not just one frame, I mean the entire plane entirely in the frame over several frames)... Hopefully those will be released soon, thought it was interesting that I heard about it on Fox. Why in the world would they not show these videos? What are they hiding? and why would they release these fuzzy 1 frame videos that you can hardly make anything out. I can't stand when people are shady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Agreed, I would think the FoIA lawsuit would cover any and all footage relating to the incedent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 coffee- I leave it unpersonalized. I think doing so leaves a view much more reflective of what most people will see. casek- yeah man, that shit freaks me out. I feel like im watching the duping of a lot of people as its happening. It's pretty scary to me. There was a kid at my school this last semester who went a bit insane, too much news and too much delouse. The really sad thing was when he was having his episode, the seemingly neurotic shit he was saying was really just the truth, but because of how he was saying it, sounded insane. Made me think about how many people you hear blathering on the streets about conspiracies, how many of them are real. Delta project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Mamerro Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Take screenshots whenever you see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 ^^good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted May 17, 2006 Author Share Posted May 17, 2006 the patterns should be easy to pick up on. i'm sure you could download some sort of program that would capture automatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 yeah but, isn't google just a 'news round-up' so, I mean they have surely got more contributors than they have space so maybe they are shifting at a rate where you're catching 'both sides' of a story but then later you're missing the same shuffle in reverse... or maybe they are up to something but... That ABC story is fucking CHILLING! There is NO WAY that is anything but a violation of the 1st Ammendment. That's full on intimidation of a news agency and that is more illegal than what Nixon or Regan or Clinton EVER got their hands on. Though, Nixon might have done it if he thought he could get away... I blame it on the apathy of our citizens. If nobody cares they're gonna do what they want no matter what the law says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 ehh, i feel like it happens with specific things. Plus when I can't find things in the related links, i get a lil concerned. For the abc news one, there were 267 related articles for the nsa wiretaps, but that one was not in them. Whereas another topic had a related link count over a hundred times larger. So, to me it would suggest that at the least, even if the source has been shuffled as they tend to do, that the article would still be categorized within the list of related links. However, it often happens that this is not the case. Perhaps im gettin a lil paranoid, but im glad that someone else has seen this same sorta shit happen. fightin the shadows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 coffee- I leave it unpersonalized. I think doing so leaves a view much more reflective of what most people will see. casek- yeah man, that shit freaks me out. I feel like im watching the duping of a lot of people as its happening. It's pretty scary to me. There was a kid at my school this last semester who went a bit insane, too much news and too much delouse. The really sad thing was when he was having his episode, the seemingly neurotic shit he was saying was really just the truth, but because of how he was saying it, sounded insane. Made me think about how many people you hear blathering on the streets about conspiracies, how many of them are real. Delta project... i think this happens all the time. I'm convinced that most people are in a state of comfortable numbness. I remember when I was young and I used to eat lsd and mushrooms, I used to get these revelations while I was on them and I would always think to myself that when I come down off this high, I'm going to have some real deep stuff to work on, but then when I came down, The details were all blurry , but I knew I had something real. Anyway, I would go back to being comfortably numb again.....(until I became a muslim and woke up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Perhaps im gettin a lil paranoid, but im glad that someone else has seen this same sorta shit happen. Nah man, could be true, hell I used to watch them re-spin stuff of FoxNews Channel over an hour all day long. Like 2 anchors tell the same (mostly) story in one hour, next hour one of the original tells the story with a few more changes and then comes reporter C who spins it more, this would happen all day and lead up to the "No Spin Zone" w/ Bill O'Liely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 "The Media hates the youth, loves to spread lies and distort the truth" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 yeah man, fox news is an amazing thing. two semesters ago Noam Chomsky spoke at my school on the issue of manufacturing consent for the war, the reason for it, and the implications of it. It was really interesting. I was high as shit. Most people couldn't follow his monotonous speaking patterns, but it was just fine for my stoned ass. Needless to say, he spoke a lot about the patterns and means in which news is let out to the american public. Dawood- yeah man, shrooms will do that shit. Not to continue the drug talk, but those revelations within trips have never left me. It always takes me a couple weeks of retrospection after a trip to extrapolate what the actual revelation was. Crazies on the street however, I think, seem to be stuck in those more existential patterns of thinking and such their reality is contained within that, comparative to the shared reality that we all hold through shared forms of rationality. enough of a digression... missles. building. bang. lie. war. impeach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shitting Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I have definately already seen this footage a long time ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Mask Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 what abuot all the insider stock trading that day>? peep the pentagon thread. I posted a link to a site that debunks it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Mask Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 and to touch on the issue of media spin. the paralells to past conflicts are amazing. if you read through "Killing Hope" by William Blum, which is a history of cia/military interventions after world war two, you can see how the cycle works. Its amazing how quickly a news story that is essentially fabricated can quickly take hold. 10 years later pepole dont remember the little brushed aside "corrections" to the fabricated story, they remember the lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 debunks I have so much trouble with this word, I never understand exactly what people are saying when they say it... but, indulge me, you're saying that your link debunks the myth? So it didn't happen? I mean, that's what I'm inclined to believe in general but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shitting Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 debunk - more or less to disprove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted May 18, 2006 Author Share Posted May 18, 2006 ese: if rumsfeld can make millions off of tamaflu and the avian flu scare, this can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Mask Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I have so much trouble with this word' date=' I never understand exactly what people are saying when they say it... but, indulge me, you're saying that your link debunks the myth? So it didn't happen? I mean, that's what I'm inclined to believe in general but...[/quote'] yeah, the link is to a page on snopes (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp) that squashes the idea that there was a massive purge of united and american airlines stock before the crash by people who were aware of what was about to happen. the source is the 9/11 commission, so the die hards wont accept it as enough I'm sure, but it seems simple enough to me. heres the quote from the report: Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy.wonka Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 what about the other videos ? you know.. the ones that would have a much better picture of the "airplane" crashing into the building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinksucks Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 everyone that has questions about 9/11, can be answered through this video--- go to google and search loose change documentary, its on google videos. make sure you pick the english one, unless if you actually dont speak english. thats where the truth is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Word ese, so I sussed the word down correctly (HOORAY FOR ME!) but yeah, I had forgotten about that story. Glad someone else didn't and proved it wrong. Tamiflu is just a treatment for bird flu. It's not a cure and there's no guarantee that it will end up being the actual vaccine. Also, kind of a piss poor money making op for dudes that are manipulating the pharms market. I would think they would have rather got into Merk just before Viagra. And what IS up with those other videos, I've heard there are 5 other sources but even those reports were kinda shady. I wonder if the DoD has ever addressed this issue, and if they WILL address this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 sure as hell wont. DoD is one shady ass place as of late. Also, as towards the loose change statement. Watch both. There are two loose change films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIF.BEELOWS Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=100638472&Mytoken=60708440-8BEF-A767-49418FECFB66DA2120981426 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinksucks Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 i didnt even know ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Pubes Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 dude, fuck that..loose change is a garbagey-ass 'documentary'. entertaining though, but please don't throw around 'truth' and 'loose change'. i'm still waiting for somebody to come through on the anthrax investigation and it's non-status... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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