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Originally posted by Manifesto@Apr 2 2006, 05:16 AM

for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine,

but both of those have folded.

 

thankfully dave carnie and clyde singleton are working at the skateboard mag. those two made big brother worth reading. it's a shame clyde's not as flat out racist as he was in bb though

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Originally posted by Manifesto+Apr 1 2006, 02:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Manifesto - Apr 1 2006, 02:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-remorseles@Mar 24 2006, 12:37 PM

I dont know wher you come from by saying the average age for skatebaording is 13 -16 you got that all wrong, the average age range is any where fromlike 5 20's and i say that because of where i live there are at least 4 parks in the area and all of which have kids from 5-20 on a daily basis. now adys kids start skating younger. I do agree with you though about the marketable shit for a younger generation. but if you take a real good look at the market he is hitting you got skate shops that feature graff stuff like mags paint caps markers all of that stuff in a skate shop and then you get artists like dalek that have shoes and trucks its catering to the writers and the people that skate. two makrets at once.

 

Here isan interview that clears up Dalek and graffiti...

My Webpage

AVC: How old were you when you moved there?

 

D: I was 24 or 25. I graduated high school in Japan in 1986, and we moved to Hawaii. Needless to say, when I lived in Hawaii I didn’t do much of anything except go to the beach every day. I worked in a shop and just sort of hung out for a couple of years. As far as graffiti is concerned, I got started doing graffiti pretty late in the game. Most kids started when they were 15 or 16, if not younger. I hadn’t really been exposed to it before, and when I was, it instantly appealed to me.

 

sure, skaters range from the age of 5 to 40, but

the core demographic of a skateboarder is 13-16.

thats why all the skate mags cater to that age group.

which is also why, you dont see car ads in skate mags, and other mature non-endemic ads.

but you see those type of ads in surf mags and snowboard mags,

where their demographic is towards the late teens into the twenties and even older.

 

for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine,

but both of those have folded. the older skater does not keep the industry going.

it's the kids and their parents who put money into this industry.

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Theres no point in trying to prove anything to you? you think your so right in the things you say anyways. kids and parents are NOT puting moneyinto an industry with graffiti. do you see parents ordering caps and markers for thier kids to go out and get up? no you dont. before you start talking about things you should make sure you know enough about it.

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Originally posted by remorseles+Apr 1 2006, 06:27 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (remorseles - Apr 1 2006, 06:27 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Manifesto@Apr 1 2006, 02:16 PM

<!--QuoteBegin-remorseles@Mar 24 2006, 12:37 PM

I dont know wher you come from by saying the average age for skatebaording is 13 -16 you got that all wrong, the average age range is any where fromlike 5 20's and i say that because of where i live there are at least 4 parks in the area and all of which have kids from 5-20 on a daily basis. now adys kids start skating younger. I do agree with you though about the marketable shit for a younger generation. but if you take a real good look at the market he is hitting you got skate shops that feature graff stuff like mags paint caps markers all of that stuff in a skate shop and then you get artists like dalek that have shoes and trucks its catering to the writers and the people that skate. two makrets at once.

 

Here isan interview that clears up Dalek and graffiti...

My Webpage

AVC: How old were you when you moved there?

 

D: I was 24 or 25. I graduated high school in Japan in 1986, and we moved to Hawaii. Needless to say, when I lived in Hawaii I didn’t do much of anything except go to the beach every day. I worked in a shop and just sort of hung out for a couple of years. As far as graffiti is concerned, I got started doing graffiti pretty late in the game. Most kids started when they were 15 or 16, if not younger. I hadn’t really been exposed to it before, and when I was, it instantly appealed to me.

 

sure, skaters range from the age of 5 to 40, but

the core demographic of a skateboarder is 13-16.

thats why all the skate mags cater to that age group.

which is also why, you dont see car ads in skate mags, and other mature non-endemic ads.

but you see those type of ads in surf mags and snowboard mags,

where their demographic is towards the late teens into the twenties and even older.

 

for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine,

but both of those have folded. the older skater does not keep the industry going.

it's the kids and their parents who put money into this industry.

 

Theres no point in trying to prove anything to you? you think your so right in the things you say anyways. kids and parents are NOT puting moneyinto an industry with graffiti. do you see parents ordering caps and markers for thier kids to go out and get up? no you dont. before you start talking about things you should make sure you know enough about it.

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im not trying to argue with you,

but its just what i know about the skate industry,

is where i was making my point on who the target audience is.

 

but for opinions sake...

from your original reply about hitting both markets.

do you think graffiti writers really want to buy this shit?

its like buying a tribal shirt, or wearing shirts with graffiti on it.

just tacky.

 

and you're right, parents arent putting money into the graff industry,

which is the reason dalek is making this shit for skateboarding,

because there is money in that industry.

thats why it aint graff for the skate comunity,

cause its a neon space monkey,

so parents will buy thatshit.

 

and people that know who he is, dont care.

it's been around the block a few times,

 

i dont even know what we were dicussing about.

my post was just mainly stating, his shit got bland,

but the skate market took it up,

[and my original post being, that the skate market is between the age of 13-16],

all cause its a lovable chracter.

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i dont know why you guys are arguing with eachother, when kaws is the one to blame.

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Originally posted by Mr. ABC+Apr 1 2006, 09:02 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. ABC - Apr 1 2006, 09:02 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Manifesto@Apr 2 2006, 05:16 AM

for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine,

but both of those have folded.

 

thankfully dave carnie and clyde singleton are working at the skateboard mag. those two made big brother worth reading. it's a shame clyde's not as flat out racist as he was in bb though

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I have some of the first issues of Big Brother stashed away.....before the mag tanked they had gotten pretty tame

 

But issue 1-20 were awesome...packed with violence, nudity, awesome inteviews and lengthly tour diaries complete with lavish photography to illustrate high points. Some of the skate companies like Shorty's had ads in the magazine that were essentially pornography but others got really creative and funny.

 

I wouldn't part with'em for anything just about.

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issues 1-20 were the best magazine to ever be written at that time, and now. each issue wasa different size and had amazing stories. its funny that once porn wheelchair god l. flynt took over the magazine got "cleaned" up. the mag started sliding down a bit before that though.

 

the articles that dude earl would have were hilarious, the constant fucking around with kosick, just good stuff.

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I'm bored with Dalek's stuff-he's becoming such a one dimensional artist.

A few others that I'm getting fatigued with are Obey and Kaws.

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Just because someone does graffiti, all of their artwork is not neccesarily graffiti. Lots of writers make their living as artists. And, while I have to agree that the space monkeys are becoming a bit played at this point, Dalek did put in his share of illegal work work for a few years. His stuff now is not graffiti, it's art by a guy who used to do graffiti.

 

This is especially true in the skateboard industry... Twist, Grime, Giant, and lots of other respected writers have done graphics and art direction for skateboard companies, and many of them reached those positions by being artists who skateboard rather than artists who do graffiti.

 

Long story short, I'm with seeking.

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A few others that I'm getting fatigued with are Obey and Kaws.

 

 

getting bored with them? kaws has sucked since the late 90's and sheppard fairy hasn't 'broken new ground' in a decade. atleast shep has always, or atleast until very recently, continuted to do illegal stuff though. it might just be wheat pasting, but regardless, he's still out doing it. he did his thing, busted his ass, and changed the design world. i can't be mad at that. i cant get excited about it, but i cant hate. kaws though...kaws i can hate.

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when you see a hater point umm out.

 

if the script was flipped for any of the haters in here, they wouldnt be sayin shit, except, fuck you im paid. be jealous.

 

fuck the haters.

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this topic seems like it should be a lot older than it is.

 

i remember seeing dalek letters in a magazine or two back in '97 or '98. i think.

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Fuck him and his retarted monkeys, hate that mother fucker. As much as Id like to get some art out in the open and make some cash, I dont want to end up being just like him and the other sell outs. So many say they wont sell out, look what happens..

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Ugh...the term "sellout" is overused to the point of the term being completely unregisterable in my conciousness.

 

 

My gripe about the guy is him being such a one-trick-pony. There really hasn;t been much of an evolution of his stuff over the past few years...just different variations on a tried and true theme.

 

boring

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Whatever the jealous, insignificant masses have to say, dude is making a living off of his art-- rather than working a shitty nine to five, then going home and painting some shit that no one else will ever see.

 

And for the record, dude might seem like a one trick pony, but he does a lot of commercial shit that you've all seen and would never guess that he was behind. I could live without seeing another space monkey myself, but that's what the kids want. De La Soul hates singing Me Myself and I now. I hate getting up at six to go do my thing, but we all do what we gotta to live.

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