Guest imported_Tesseract Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Whats really interesting to me is that when you compare the 'before' and 'after' shots you see alot of cliches incorporated thats just not color. The facial expressions (esp. first girl and boy) are so staged to fit another profile. clothes follow aswell...thats just weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs702 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 watch the show do a turner on all you Smartclever mother fuckers After is actually before .. by the way, markos WILL be watching this show . so will I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavicon Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Originally posted by Tesseract@Feb 28 2006, 10:25 AM Whats really interesting to me is that when you compare the 'before' and 'after' shots you see alot of cliches incorporated thats just not color. The facial expressions (esp. first girl and boy) are so staged to fit another profile. clothes follow aswell...thats just weird Quoted post i don't see that at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Originally posted by Flavicon+Feb 28 2006, 11:43 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flavicon - Feb 28 2006, 11:43 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Tesseract@Feb 28 2006, 10:25 AM Whats really interesting to me is that when you compare the 'before' and 'after' shots you see alot of cliches incorporated thats just not color. The facial expressions (esp. first girl and boy) are so staged to fit another profile. clothes follow aswell...thats just weird Quoted post i don't see that at all Quoted post [/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavicon Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I dunno, maybe I understand what your saying about the facial expression; cliche sass, etc. First thing i though was maybe she just feels rediculous in that makeup and is cracking a smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 you might be right but if we wanna be paranoid i'd say thats definatelly a 'MMM,MMM,MMMMM,GODAMN' kinda smile while the first one is definatelly a reserved typical white look. Clothing choices are totally obvious though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavicon Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 scratch* havn't had my coffee i have no right commenting in this state of mind :chicken: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 I see what you're saying about the clothes tess..earrings in particular...but its definitely subtle esp regarding her facial expressions which I think could just as easily be the end result of the subjects own insecurities (as stated before). But interesting side note, my homie worked sound on this show and he said they gave them voice coaches and the whole nine..also all these people (both families) lived together in one house in LA and apparently got in hella heated racial arguments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Yeah, you might be right about the expressions...all in all this is a crazy project to begin with. The way i see it, it works more in the terms of reenforcing cliches about race rather than the oposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadawhat Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Originally posted by Tesseract@Feb 28 2006, 08:48 AM Quoted post They need to do some 'woman' make up on that hairy man arm/hand there. Whoa.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 ^^yep, thats what I'm thinking too tess..but we'll see, maybe we're wrong :fingers crossed:. Ice Cube executive produced it, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 These people look indian And these people look puerto rican aor some kind of hispanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some1 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Originally posted by Tesseract@Feb 28 2006, 12:15 PM Yeah, you might be right about the expressions...all in all this is a crazy project to begin with. The way i see it, it works more in the terms of reenforcing cliches about race rather than the oposite. Quoted post This is true. It's really unfortunate cause this will come more out of a need for ratings than the basic idea of it, which I think is interesting and could spark up some dialogue. I read a pretty good article somewhere that talked about how the creators wanted to show that the color of your skin still DOES matter in America, and how that slight little detail could mean a world of a difference in how people treated you. Awesome. But then I read that the family lives together and is constantly coaching each other about how to behave "white" or "black". That's fucking stupid. That totally puts a bigger spin on things, and now the skin tone question won't be answered, just because viewers will want to see dumb arguments and laugh at stereotyping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestick Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Giving the women hoop earrings to make them 'black' is a nice touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 Originally posted by El Mamerro+Feb 28 2006, 12:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (El Mamerro - Feb 28 2006, 12:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Tesseract@Feb 28 2006, 12:15 PM Yeah, you might be right about the expressions...all in all this is a crazy project to begin with. The way i see it, it works more in the terms of reenforcing cliches about race rather than the oposite. Quoted post This is true. It's really unfortunate cause this will come more out of a need for ratings than the basic idea of it, which I think is interesting and could spark up some dialogue. I read a pretty good article somewhere that talked about how the creators wanted to show that the color of your skin still DOES matter in America, and how that slight little detail could mean a world of a difference in how people treated you. Awesome. But then I read that the family lives together and is constantly coaching each other about how to behave "white" or "black". That's fucking stupid. That totally puts a bigger spin on things, and now the skin tone question won't be answered, just because viewers will want to see dumb arguments and laugh at stereotyping. Quoted post [/b] ^^boom..exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 they should have given them expensive items they cant affor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 more albino than hispanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I'm also wondering... that really is a lot of makeup. That shit has got to smell strange. Won't people they talk to notice they smell like a chemical warehouse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tough Love Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Metallica's BLACK album is the shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETO Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 if The Beatles were still around, they could have covered Metallica's Black album and Metallica could have covered The Beatles White album and VH1 could have done a reality show! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 I'm sure as part of the process they do something to offset that. Imagine at the end of the day, removing all those layers and layers of makeup, esp. after you've been active, sweating, etc. Imagine how gross that must be. They removed it every night and reaplied it every morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAustin Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 dumy...you said one of your boys did some work on the show...so whats the deal with voices? how far are they going with it...did they teach the white folk ebonics and slang or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 well the two families "coached" each other (to hilarious and racist results) and also they had voice coaches and shit off camera..I'm not sure about the particulars so i'll have to ask my boy, but I do know that before they applied the "white" makeup to the black people they had to cover their skin in some blue latex thing first..so its mad layers of makeup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAustin Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Originally posted by dumy@Feb 28 2006, 12:07 PM well the two families "coached" each other (to hilarious and racist results) Quoted post ahhh...so most likely not the "suburbs" versions of each race. kinda what I figured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 excerpt from a salon.com article about the show The best moment of all comes in the second episode when, after hearing Rose's teen group of black slam poets perform in the house the two families are sharing, Carmen stands up and delivers a rambling soliloquy on how moving and special all of these fine black children are, replete with grand gestures, all stage-whispered in a voice dripping with condescension. The icing on the cake, though, comes when she refers to one of the female poets as "this beautiful black creature" like the girl just crept out of the swamp, a monster whose beauty only Carmen can truly see and appreciate. The teenagers are all silent and look thoroughly irritated, but Renee Sparks is absolutely livid. She's hated this freakish woman since they were practicing "black lingo" together and Carmen jokingly yelled at her, "Yo, bitch!" thinking that black women insult each other ruthlessly as a form of greeting. What clearly bothered Renee was not that Carmen made a mistake, but that she couldn't manage an apology that wasn't filled with the self-righteous insistence that she hadn't done anything wrong and she didn't intend to offend and that, most of all, it didn't mean anything, all muttered with an indignant, angry strain in her voice. After the kids leave and Renee expresses disbelief at Carmen's absurd display, that same "Screw you, you're paranoid" tone returns. How do you enlighten someone who thinks they know everything already? so yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearthesear Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Originally posted by CACashRefund@Feb 28 2006, 09:43 AM These people look indian And these people look puerto rican aor some kind of hispanic Quoted post it would be fucking hysterical if the white people started saying nigga...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Not only does this show look like it's gonna be the worst show in history.... but thanks to the constant comercials I cant get that fucking anoying horrible song out of my head! :headache: Fuck you Ice Cube!... the fuck happened to you??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 And why the fake black people look like they're either from a Lynell Richie video or an episode of "Good Times" and the fake white people look like they from an early 90's bad sit-com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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