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Abu Ghraib Version 2.0

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New Abu Ghraib abuse photos broadcast in Australia

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1621902&page=2

 

" SYDNEY (Reuters) - An Australian television station broadcast on Wednesday what it said were previously unpublished images of abuse of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison, stoking more Arab anger against the United States.

 

The Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" current affairs program said the images had been recorded at the same time as the now-infamous photographs of U.S. soldiers abusing detainees in Abu Ghraib which sparked international outrage in 2004.

 

Some of the newly broadcast pictures suggest further abuse such as killing, torture and sexual humiliation, Dateline said.

 

The grainy still photographs and video images, which were swiftly re-broadcast by Arab satellite television stations, show prisoners, some bleeding or hooded, bound to beds and doors, sometimes with a smiling guard beside them.

 

They include two naked men handcuffed together, a pile of five naked detainees photographed from the rear, and a dog straining at a leash close to the face of a crouching man wearing a bright orange jumpsuit.

 

The pictures stirred up more anger among Arabs, already incensed by the publication on Sunday of images of British soldiers apparently beating Iraqi youths and by cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad printed in European papers.

 

"This is truly American ugliness that no other country in the world can compete with," Yemeni journalist Saleh al-Humaidi told Reuters.

 

"The Americans ought to apologize to mankind for their government's lie to the world that it is fighting for freedom and that it came to Iraq to save it from Saddam Hussein's oppression," he said.

 

NEW ABUSES

 

Executive producer Mike Carey said Dateline had obtained a file containing hundreds of pictures — some that have been seen before and others that show new abuses.

 

He declined to say where or how the station had got hold of the images, but said he assumed other journalists or media also had access to them.

 

Several pictures appear to show U.S. soldier Charles Graner, who was jailed in January for 10 years for his leading role in the Abu Ghraib abuse revealed in the earlier batch of photographs. Graner's former lover, Lynndie England, was sentenced to three years for her part.

 

Some of the video footage apparently shows one prisoner bashing his own head against a wall, while some photographs appear to show corpses, said Carey.

 

The program said some prisoners at Abu Ghraib had been killed when U.S. soldiers ran out of rubber bullets as they tried to quell a jail riot, and resorted to using live rounds.

 

One picture showed what looked like cigarette burns on a man's buttocks.

 

Carey said other images featured prisoners in sexually humiliating acts that were deemed too graphic to broadcast.

 

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has been granted access to the images under U.S. Freedom of Information provisions, but the U.S. government is appealing the decision, Dateline said.

 

ACLU lawyer Amrit Singh told Dateline the images were evidence of "systemic and widespread abuse" by U.S. soldiers.

 

The latest pictures will put more pressure on the United States over its treatment of detainees.

 

Five U.N. human rights experts have urged Washington to shut down the jail at its naval base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba after concluding that forced-feeding of prisoners and some interrogation techniques there amounted to acts of torture.

 

"These are disgusting pictures … it's not strange for Americans to do such things. They've done it in Guantanamo and every prison that is under their control," said Mounir al-Mamari, an engineer in Yemen

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My real question is why do they let pictures of that shit get out? If you're going to do it, don't get caught. Idiots....

 

My theory is that a good three quarters of the world needs to fucking man up and stop snitchin'. You're at war, fight on the field not in the Western media. KayThx.

 

"We're still at war with Al-Qaida, we're losing the war with Al Sharpton..."

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yo, dude got tortured with peanut butter!

and that one dude looks like he got his azz tazed pretty good.

another day on planet what-the-fuck.

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meh war is war. my opinion is, im not over there, im sitting in my warm house NOT getting blown up by people that look like civilians, letting other people get shot at, what the hell do i know? i think that unless im over there, im really not going to say anything.

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Originally posted by Milton@Feb 16 2006, 04:00 AM

My real question is why do they let pictures of that shit get out? If you're going to do it, don't get caught. Idiots....

 

My theory is that a good three quarters of the world needs to fucking man up and stop snitchin'. You're at war, fight on the field not in the Western media. KayThx.

 

"We're still at war with Al-Qaida, we're losing the war with Al Sharpton..."

you my friend are a dipshit

 

so youre for gagging the media so the great and honorable US army can have a blank cheque?

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this is appalling....and americans wonder why everyone hates us? look how we treat othere nations......I fucking hope we get pushed ouot of iraq.....or that we get the balls to slowly leave ourselves.....this shit is way outa hand, and there is no way of getting it undercontroll....i hope all the sldier that w ere involved in this get shot in the face......this is us "librating them"....I on't see the difference...except instead ofhusain torturing, its our own soldiers

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Originally posted by yum+Feb 16 2006, 02:04 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yum - Feb 16 2006, 02:04 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Milton@Feb 16 2006, 04:00 AM

My real question is why do they let pictures of that shit get out?  If you're going to do it, don't get caught.  Idiots....

 

My theory is that a good three quarters of the world needs to fucking man up and stop snitchin'.  You're at war, fight on the field not in the Western media.  KayThx.

 

"We're still at war with Al-Qaida, we're losing the war with Al Sharpton..."

you my friend are a dipshit

 

so youre for gagging the media so the great and honorable US army can have a blank cheque?

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the way you wrote cheque make me think you aren't in the US, well here in the good ole U. S. of A. thats how we do. You don't like it?

we'll be the rootines tootinest till the cows come home fella. You ain't one of them varmints is ya?

 

well, looks like dem damn camel jockeys got what they get, buddy.

 

10-4

 

seriously,

I am sure this is just an example of some more of those 'bad apples' and certainly do not represent the position or practices of the Pentagon, the White House, and the CIA, if their practices should be exposed (in which case they will be made a scape goat and hung out to dry, something to keep in mind before accepting such a job in the first place)...

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Originally posted by yum+Feb 16 2006, 02:04 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yum - Feb 16 2006, 02:04 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Milton@Feb 16 2006, 04:00 AM

My real question is why do they let pictures of that shit get out?  If you're going to do it, don't get caught.  Idiots....

 

My theory is that a good three quarters of the world needs to fucking man up and stop snitchin'.  You're at war, fight on the field not in the Western media.  KayThx.

 

"We're still at war with Al-Qaida, we're losing the war with Al Sharpton..."

you my friend are a dipshit

 

so youre for gagging the media so the great and honorable US army can have a blank cheque?

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Be practical for a second. You think that this kind of shit doesn't go on ad naseum by every country engaged in any sort of armed conflict? If you don't I'd accuse you of being extremely naive. My stand on civil liberties has nothing to do with it, but I hate how the media runs with the "tragedy" story and doesn't play both sides of what's going on. Yes, the US is torturing people. Oh my God, no! Oh wait, Israel is torturing people, the Taliban was torturing people, Al-Qaida is blowing civilians up by the skyscraper. The shit pisses me off esp. with respect to the Middle East. It's like the liberal media needs something to cry over, so they cry over how bad the Arab countries have it. Look up what the Palestinians did when they took Israeli villiages during the first war. Gang raping women. And guess what, the Moors have been doing that from their first invasions to current day. Look at what the Muslim armies did to the Catholics in Lebanon when they invaded. Don't you think it's a little odd that there are Catholics that look Arab? That wasn't assimilation by choice, believe me. I'm sorry, they're bitching up now. They need to man up. So, like I said... "you want war, then it's war it's gonna be..."

 

And by the way, it's "rootin'est tootin'est..."

 

Milton, cry me a river (over and out.)

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trust me mate im not naieve at all about what goes on in war. the thing is i truly believe the west is civilised enough to conduct warfare without torture or abuses, ie following the geneva convention. we're meant to be an example of virtue and thats what your country is purportedly attempting to instill in Iraq's government (although we all know that isnt true) yet shit like this and im sure much more is constantly going on. I dont even blame it on the stupid soldiers that do it entirely, i think that moral and ethical behaviour would trickle from the top down and unfortunately as far as i have seen there isnt a source of it for the people at the bottom to look to as an example.

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I think the US needs to own up as to why they are in Iraq. I mean, i'm not fully against being over there, but its really chicken shit to say you're liberating the people, and then you get a picture of a guy covered in shit on your hands. Sure, maybe i'm being a bit too idealistic, but when operation Iraqi Freedom yields this kind of abuse, you've got to expect some to cry foul.

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Originally posted by Milton+Feb 16 2006, 06:23 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milton - Feb 16 2006, 06:23 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by yum@Feb 16 2006, 02:04 AM

<!--QuoteBegin-Milton@Feb 16 2006, 04:00 AM

My real question is why do they let pictures of that shit get out?  If you're going to do it, don't get caught.  Idiots....

 

My theory is that a good three quarters of the world needs to fucking man up and stop snitchin'.  You're at war, fight on the field not in the Western media.  KayThx.

 

"We're still at war with Al-Qaida, we're losing the war with Al Sharpton..."

you my friend are a dipshit

 

so youre for gagging the media so the great and honorable US army can have a blank cheque?

 

Be practical for a second. You think that this kind of shit doesn't go on ad naseum by every country engaged in any sort of armed conflict? If you don't I'd accuse you of being extremely naive. My stand on civil liberties has nothing to do with it, but I hate how the media runs with the "tragedy" story and doesn't play both sides of what's going on. Yes, the US is torturing people. Oh my God, no! Oh wait, Israel is torturing people, the Taliban was torturing people, Al-Qaida is blowing civilians up by the skyscraper. The shit pisses me off esp. with respect to the Middle East. It's like the liberal media needs something to cry over, so they cry over how bad the Arab countries have it. Look up what the Palestinians did when they took Israeli villiages during the first war. Gang raping women. And guess what, the Moors have been doing that from their first invasions to current day. Look at what the Muslim armies did to the Catholics in Lebanon when they invaded. Don't you think it's a little odd that there are Catholics that look Arab? That wasn't assimilation by choice, believe me. I'm sorry, they're bitching up now. They need to man up. So, like I said... "you want war, then it's war it's gonna be..."

 

And by the way, it's "rootin'est tootin'est..."

 

Milton, cry me a river (over and out.)

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You think there are no Arab catholics in the world? Do you think all Arabs are muslims? If that's what you think then you need to re-evaluate your geographical outlook. Oh, and as far as your "you want war it's gonna be war statement" then, let it be known. Muslims aren't scared of your rootinest tootinest. We love death like you love life.

Your soldiers go to war in hopes of coming home and going to college, Muslim soldiers go to war in hopes of raising up the word of Allah above your manmade ways of life or being martyred and going to paradise. Your boys are scared little kids acting tough.

It's better to have peace, but If you fight us, we fight you, cowboy.

and with all that rootin tootin your bound to shoot yourselves in the foot. Keep sendin over to die. keep supporting your homicidal administration Milton, someday you'll regret it when you grow up.

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That's not what I said. I said the reason there are "Arab Catholics" is because the Muslims have been forcibly impregnating women since their earliest conquests in Europe and the Middle East. How are you going to complain when you created an entire race of people by raping women? Or is it just that women don't count as people??

 

Muslims "loving death like [we] love life" is an exact statement of the problem. This kind of statement goes directly to the point of the problem. How can you claim on the one hand that Islam is non-violent and that you've been stereotyped and misconceived when you make statements such as this. First, of the Muslim people I know, very few are concerned with forcibly lifting Western culture out of it's man made ways of life. But perhaps you speak for the majority, and in that case, I stand by a hard-lined position. If you admittedly wish to forcibly change our way of life to suit some moral good that you as a group believe you can justly dictate, I [and many of my countrymen] will fight until the death to prevent you from doing so.

 

American soldiers are scared little kids, perhaps some are. But if you don't think that Palestinians, for instance, arent as desparate and frightened as Americans you're mistaken. Yes, you have given them something greater to believe in, and maybe this urges them into death, but that does not make your cause greater in my mind than any other cause. You propose that because they support a theocratic regime they are better soldiers. This I don't believe.

 

I don't think our soldiers should be there in the first place. I think we should leave the idealogical nut-jobs to their own devices. But the problem is that idealogical nut-jobs as a group tend to fester into say killing thousands of civilians in terrorist attacks. And now some of you have nuclear bombs. So if you believe that you can, and should, forcibly change our way of life, I can't support you when you bring injury upon yourselves. There is no homicide in war. There is only homicide in letting zealots kill your people.

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Originally posted by Flavicon@Feb 16 2006, 11:43 AM

every meet a U.S soldier who wasn't at least somewhat of a nutcase?

 

I didn't think so

Has a conservative ever met a liberal that wasn't at least somewhat of a nutcase?

 

I didn't think so.

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Originally posted by Milton@Feb 16 2006, 02:23 AM

Be practical for a second. You think that this kind of shit doesn't go on ad naseum by every country engaged in any sort of armed conflict? If you don't I'd accuse you of being extremely naive.

 

Exactly. And these morons were reservists, like Pauly Shore in that movie with the water purification and whatnot. The media makes a huge deal about shit like this yet insurgents cutting off people's heads barely makes the news, and if it does it’s treated like the norm.

 

Dawood, your posts are so contradictory it really is funny. In one thread you are going on about how Islam is the religion of peace, and your next post is describing how Muslims worship death and violence. Maybe I'm twisting your words though.

 

If you followed through with the 6th pillar of the religion you claim to know so much about, you could find out how scared Americans are first hand. Scroll up the page and look at your noble insurgents, wacking off for the camera and smeared in shit. They really hung on to their dignity there, instead of refusing to sexually humiliate themselves and take the more painful punishment or death. You say your religion would rather go to paradise, but they wouldn't even take the pain of getting shot with rubber bullets, nevermind kill themselves. Allahu Akbar!

 

(And just for those who are assuming the men pictured in the above photos are innocent villagers thrown in jail, they were in a smaller holding facility located inside the larger Abu Ghraib compound that was reserved for high value targets, according to Frontline. )

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^^^uhh, the religion of the folks in the pictures is UNKNOWN.

 

we don't know if they are native Iraqis or foreign insurgents

 

we don't know what they were arrested for

 

Iraq is relatively secular, they also have some christians

 

People be jumping to mad conclusions

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torture is torture as far as i can see, theyre not strappin anyones balls up to electrodes (maybe they are but theres no pics) so things could be a lot worse. and im sure a lot of those guys were caught before they could kill american soldiers or blow up women or something.

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