Milton Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I suppose that you could put the Constitution, word for word, into plain modern English for us without "interpreting" it at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane30 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 me?.....hell no, wtf does that have to do with what i said anyway, if your talking to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by Milton@Feb 14 2006, 09:18 PM I suppose that you could put the Constitution, word for word, into plain modern English for us without "interpreting" it at all? Quoted post Milton, i know your against the literal construction of the constitution. but it needs no translation. it says what it says. the "translations" is where the problems arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish erotica Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by insane30@Feb 14 2006, 08:50 PM think of it as an exception....and not all of us are "patriots" or "pro-american", we live here, love it, but doesnt mean we agree with everything Quoted post i just see it as hypocritical. i mean don't get me wrong here, having your own opinion is cool, and its never good to be tied down to just one side's set rules, but when you're so against positive programs just because they cost tax payers money and at the same time doing graffiti, its just kind of funny.I'm not saying you can't have that opinion, but it doesnt give yall much room to bitch and moan about some old lady on food stamps when yall are crushing walls. Graffiti doesnt just clean itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavicon Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 ^^ haha, yeah yeah, some cities spend millions on graffiti removal every yearl, all with taxpayer money and they have every right to do it /aint gonna stop me thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish erotica Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 ^^^exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 My problem with "textualism" so called is that it is impossible to literally interpret the document. For instance: 14th Amendment Section 1: No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. What in Gods name is a "Privilege and immunity?" It could be interpreted to mean a minimum of fundamental rights, it could be interpreted to mean that every person has equal opportunity in all aspects of life. We don't really know, so you need more than a text, especially a text as vague as the Constitution. No offense, I respect where you're coming from, textual interpretations would make sense if the Constitution weren't so opaque. And if I didn't think judges were using textualism as a guise to hide their political use of the judiciary power. I think a lot of them could take a good look at the words though, compared to where some of the doctrine is now. For instance, the court for many years upheld gun control regulations for school grounds under Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce. Imagine all the lefties that flipped out when I said "I don't think a kid bringing a gun to school has anything to do with interstate commerce." I think we're closer in philosophy that we think. After all "the government which governs best governs least..." Don't tell my girlfriend I'm turning into a libertarian, she'll kill me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Wallbanger Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by angelofdeath@Feb 10 2006, 08:53 PM a gun is the same thing as a seatbelt. a "just incase" Quoted post Also, a dick is the same thing as a pussy. A "sexual organ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistaccio Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Don't believe everything they say. How can it be justice in stolen land? And please don't give that homeland security bullshit, no I don't support terrorist activites but come on now the U.S ain't no innocent motherfuckers either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistaccio Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by lord_casek@Feb 14 2006, 10:12 AM Mexican troops attack United States http://www.infowars.com/articles/immigrati...s_attack_us.htm http://www.ranchrescue.com/ Consulate says Mexican troops not in standoff http://www.elpasotimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../601250317/1001 Quoted post this is a fucking lie!! LIes is what yall people believe in .. They tryna brain wash you fools with lies. According to the Mexican goverment : The soldiers that attacked the U.S were American soldiers, they making Mexico look bad with all this bullshit. The U.S plays dirty. They just got their handz on some Mexican millitary outfits nigga! we all know the U.S buys drugs and they need drugs to hit the streets specially in black communities and latino nigga this ain't no lie. The U.S know by 2050 half Blackz and Latinos gonna take over the U.S that's the U.S fears that Blackz and hispanic might have power over whites., let b real gotta let yall' know wassup. Nigga read history, the U.S ain't no motherfucking innocent., this country is so corrupted ... with lies and shit. Is the work of the devil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 "What in Gods name is a "Privilege and immunity?" It could be interpreted to mean a minimum of fundamental rights, it could be interpreted to mean that every person has equal opportunity in all aspects of life. We don't really know, so you need more than a text, especially a text as vague as the Constitution." well this is why we need the federalist papers. together with the constitution, you have an unstoppable pair. also dont forget madison's warning about separating historical context when reading the constitution. it will result in a "bastardized" view. yeah dude, im dont think we are to far off. the thing is, when people get into politics like you and I apparently are, people always focus on the small differences instead of big agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by Pistaccio+Feb 15 2006, 02:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistaccio - Feb 15 2006, 02:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Feb 14 2006, 10:12 AM Mexican troops attack United States http://www.infowars.com/articles/immigrati...s_attack_us.htm http://www.ranchrescue.com/ Consulate says Mexican troops not in standoff http://www.elpasotimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../601250317/1001 Quoted post this is a fucking lie!! LIes is what yall people believe in .. They tryna brain wash you fools with lies. According to the Mexican goverment : The soldiers that attacked the U.S were American soldiers, they making Mexico look bad with all this bullshit. The U.S plays dirty. They just got their handz on some Mexican millitary outfits nigga! we all know the U.S buys drugs and they need drugs to hit the streets specially in black communities and latino nigga this ain't no lie. The U.S know by 2050 half Blackz and Latinos gonna take over the U.S that's the U.S fears that Blackz and hispanic might have power over whites., let b real gotta let yall' know wassup. Nigga read history, the U.S ain't no motherfucking innocent., this country is so corrupted ... with lies and shit. Is the work of the devil! Quoted post [/b] hey man, i haven't got a damn thing against hispanics or blacks. drug running cartels in mexico are real and are big deals. yes, the u.s. funds alot of that and lets alot slip through. don't think that we're all anti-hispanic just because we think there's alot of trouble on the borders these days. just how it is. drug cartels are some scary shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish erotica Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by Pistaccio+Feb 15 2006, 02:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistaccio - Feb 15 2006, 02:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Feb 14 2006, 10:12 AM Mexican troops attack United States http://www.infowars.com/articles/immigrati...s_attack_us.htm http://www.ranchrescue.com/ Consulate says Mexican troops not in standoff http://www.elpasotimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../601250317/1001 Quoted post this is a fucking lie!! LIes is what yall people believe in .. They tryna brain wash you fools with lies. According to the Mexican goverment : The soldiers that attacked the U.S were American soldiers, they making Mexico look bad with all this bullshit. The U.S plays dirty. They just got their handz on some Mexican millitary outfits nigga! we all know the U.S buys drugs and they need drugs to hit the streets specially in black communities and latino nigga this ain't no lie. The U.S know by 2050 half Blackz and Latinos gonna take over the U.S that's the U.S fears that Blackz and hispanic might have power over whites., let b real gotta let yall' know wassup. Nigga read history, the U.S ain't no motherfucking innocent., this country is so corrupted ... with lies and shit. Is the work of the devil! Quoted post [/b] Oh my god. Just tell me, WHERE THE FUCK do you get your information that is the "truth"? You sound like a cracked out immortal technique on some crazy ass conspiracy theory believing shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el hamburgler Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by harvey wallbanger+Feb 15 2006, 11:45 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (harvey wallbanger - Feb 15 2006, 11:45 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-angelofdeath@Feb 10 2006, 08:53 PM a gun is the same thing as a seatbelt. a "just incase" Quoted post Also, a dick is the same thing as a pussy. A "sexual organ". Quoted post [/b] hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by shape1369@Feb 11 2006, 02:42 AM exactly... Quoted post I see the older brothers girlfriend in the front row. But where is the fat dude with the moustache and the little kid with the shaved head. Oh ya, and that creepy old guy with the baret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shape1369 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 uhh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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