Guest spectr Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Originally posted by John Birch@Jan 26 2006, 09:22 PM btw Dawood, you mention whether its better to ask a muslim or non-muslim about islam. I would say the non-muslim because they would be more objective...which is why I have a difficult time reading some of that propganda you post sometimes... oh well Quoted post i agree with dawood on this point, given the current climate in this country i don't think you can find unbiased non muslims in this country easily, never mind the fact that people are baised based on their spirtual beliefs regardless of what they say. we are all being manipulated by the media on a daily basis its just a matter of who is pulling the strings and to what end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Birch Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 ok look at it this way...if you want to know and understand why the red sox didn't win the worlds series this year, who would you ask? Yeah at first you would say a Red Sox fan, because they know all about the team, stats etc... but shit they are biased and can't have a discussion about them without interjecting their own ideas and beliefs. Like me for instance...my theory is that they lost due to an international zionist consipracy propagated by New York jews and the beef industry (hence Chicago's win). Is that true? Maybe, but most likely not. But if you ask any sox fan that, they will probably agree with me... hence to get a true and objective understanding its best to ask a baseball fan, yes, but one from say the National League and preferably the NL west or central... you see? and this analogy also applies to dawood's car anology. Yeah I wouldn't ask a chevy dealer about Fords, cuz they are biased, but I esp wouldn't ask a Ford dealer...but I would check edmonds.com or something objective. See? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Well, It depends on what your asking , since you put it like that. If youre asking a catholic why do priests molest little boys, then youre bound to get a different answer than if you ask someone non-catholic who cares nothing about the image of catholic preists. But, if you want to know about the fundamental basics of Islam and what muslims really believe, then you do ask Jerry Springer? Of course not, you go to your local, Mosque or go to an islamic website run by muslims etc. Otherwise, the only non- muslim people who would publish Islamic material would be people who are publishing anti Islamic material and their view is nore than likely going to be biased against it. So it really depends on the angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 Nineteen book titles, thirty three posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 New book, just picked it up and only 20 pages into it. Ghost Wars by Steve Coll SUPERBLY written and interesting, very objective and packed with details (the notes and bibliography section's about an 1/8 of this decently thick book) and discuses the History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden from the soviet invasion to Sep 10, 2001. Bought it for 16 bacon chedder cheese burgers at Borders book store. Cop that shiiit. Oh, forgot to mention big ole "Pulitzer Prize Winner" award on the cover, for those interested in bling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 I remembered too that I got this email a few days ago. I'm not exactly all that crazy about the writer, seems to me like his style's Moore-ish but I'll foward it here: Dear CSPC Supporter, Because I know that you are as concerned as I am the radical left’s stranglehold on our colleges and universities, I have set aside for you a copy of my new book, The Professors -- The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America. The title speaks for itself. This book, a product of the research we are able to do thanks to your financial support CSPC’s National Campaign for Academic Freedom, exposes the tip of the iceberg, and then some, of the worst "hate America" voices in academia today. What we’ve exposed will astound and anger you: * At Cal State-Long Beach: Ron Karenga is a Professor and Chairman of the Black Studies Department. He’s also a convicted torturer and inventor of Kwanzaa. * At the University of Texas-Arlington: Jose Angel Gutierrez is a Political Science Professor. He’s also the founder of La Raza Unida, a racist Hispanic organization that calls on Hispanics and Mexican immigrants to seize U.S. land. Among his more notable racists rants is his repeated pronouncement that calls for the elimination of "the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have to kill him." * At City University of New York: Leonard Jeffries is Professor and one-time Chairman of that schools Black Studies Department. He regularly lectures students that blacks are "sun people" and morally and culturally superior to "ice people" -- whites. "Jews," Jeffries says, "are a race of skunks...." * At Brandeis University: Robert Reich is a Professor of Social and Economic Policy. He was Bill Clinton’s Labor Secretary and is a multi-millionaire. That doesn’t keep from telling his students that the U.S. has "fallen under the sway of radical conservatives who, by the malicious application of intolerant moral precepts, intended to secure the "reign of the rich" at the expense of most Americans. There are more of course: MIT professor Noam Chomsky, who has made himself rich calling for the destruction of his country; Columbia University’s Nicholas De Genova, who led an anti-war demonstration by wishing for deaths of thousands of American troops; and, Texas Journalism Professor Robert Jensen, who rabidly hates the United States, and recently told his students, "The United States has lost the war in Iraq and that’s a good thing." These are just a few of the most notorious radicals indoctrinating our young people today. Sadly, they’re not the exception at our schools -- they’re the mainstream! They’re just a sample of the 101 professors we’ve researched and exposed in The Professors... and they’re just the tip of the iceberg. Imagine just for a moment being a conservative student and having to sit in a class taught by any one of the professors I’ve mentioned. Difficult? Stressful? All of that and more, and that’s simply not what a college education is about. Yet the 101 professors highlighted in my book are representative of thousands of radical leftists who spew a violent anti-Americanism, preach anti-Semitism, and cheer on the killing of American soldiers and civilians! And they’re living off taxpayer dollars and tuition fees as they indoctrinate our future leaders. Our job -- yours and mine -- is to spread the word far and wide. We must expose the men and women like Jose Angel Gutierrez, Ron Karenga, and Bernadine Dorhn to the American people. And I believe part of my mission is to ensure that the members of CSPC are fully aware of the types of individuals we’re up against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Cowboy Bill Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Imagine just for a moment being a conservative student and having to sit in a class taught by any one of the professors I’ve mentioned. Difficult? Stressful? All of that and more, and that’s simply not what a college education is about. yeah its called college, a place to go to widen your world-view, not to confirm your narrow thinking... "Yet the 101 professors highlighted in my book are representative of thousands of radical leftists who spew a violent anti-Americanism, preach anti-Semitism, and cheer on the killing of American soldiers and civilians! And they’re living off taxpayer dollars and tuition fees as they indoctrinate our future leaders." Hmm, most of those mentioned are Jewish. Noam Chomsky is a WWII vet.. and most importantly, they all teach at PRIVATE Universities...if you don't like it go to a public university in alabama, I heard they have a good football prgram, a sport invented by those at Havard, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Myth and Facts About Israel: A guide to the arab-israel conflict. and I got it online for you so you dont even need to buy it. FREE BOOK!!! The case for Israel- Alan Dershowitz. Good stuff very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 "yeah its called college, a place to go to widen your world-view, not to confirm your narrow thinking..." sorry i cant help but chuckle at this. sure widen your world view so long as it is not a conservative, libertarian or christian world view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Originally posted by angelofdeath@Feb 6 2006, 04:16 PM sure widen your world view so long as it is not a conservative, libertarian or christian world view. Quoted post Umm... you realize it would be the opposite, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Originally posted by MAR@Feb 6 2006, 04:12 PM Myth and Facts About Israel: A guide to the arab-israel conflict. and I got it online for you so you dont even need to buy it. FREE BOOK!!! The case for Israel- Alan Dershowitz. Good stuff very informative. Quoted post HAHAHAHAHA, are you serious?! you actually suggest a book about arab-israel conflict that is given away by the JEWISH VIRTUAL LIBRARY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Cowboy Bill Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I think Mar is the jewish version of dawood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Laugh it up. No one said you have to read it but you might want to before you start insulting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Cowboy Bill Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Yeah I skimmed it all not really impressed..kinda biased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 Originally posted by Lonesome Cowboy Bill@Feb 7 2006, 02:56 AM Yeah I skimmed it all not really impressed..kinda biased Quoted post You gotta start somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Originally posted by Lonesome Cowboy Bill@Feb 6 2006, 09:56 PM Yeah I skimmed it all not really impressed..kinda biased Quoted post what political book isnt biased? look at the title for crying outloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spectr Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Originally posted by John Birch@Jan 27 2006, 10:44 PM ok look at it this way...if you want to know and understand why the red sox didn't win the worlds series this year, who would you ask? Yeah at first you would say a Red Sox fan, because they know all about the team, stats etc... but shit they are biased and can't have a discussion about them without interjecting their own ideas and beliefs. Like me for instance...my theory is that they lost due to an international zionist consipracy propagated by New York jews and the beef industry (hence Chicago's win). Is that true? Maybe, but most likely not. But if you ask any sox fan that, they will probably agree with me... hence to get a true and objective understanding its best to ask a baseball fan, yes, but one from say the National League and preferably the NL west or central... you see? and this analogy also applies to dawood's car anology. Yeah I wouldn't ask a chevy dealer about Fords, cuz they are biased, but I esp wouldn't ask a Ford dealer...but I would check edmonds.com or something objective. See? Quoted post :laugh1: no its the cheese industry which is run by the grand high master cheese but your pretty close. ok all i am saying is you can't get a unbaised opinion in this case in this country go somewhere like the middle of the jungle in south america and ask some tribal brother who doesnt even know what tv is and he might be able to give you one. but i would rather try to use common sense and sort through the rhetoric from both sides and form my on ideas. Myth and Facts About Israel: A guide to the arab-israel conflict. and I got it online for you so you dont even need to buy it. FREE BOOK!!! The case for Israel- Alan Dershowitz. Good stuff very informative. this is such garbage israel is doing the same thing that the u.s. goverment did to the natve americans. i personally think that israel is doomed and the israeli goverment is probally the most dangerous threat to the world you have genocidal maniacs with nukes shit makes north korea look like the swiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Usually when people make acusational statements they bring proofs to back it up. Also they usually write in coherent sentences. Once you add a few commas and proofs you can get back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURLAP Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 i like to call him alan douchowitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Cowboy Bill Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Originally posted by MAR@Feb 8 2006, 02:27 PM ...Also they usually write in coherent sentences. Once you add a few commas and... you can get back to me. Quoted post Experience has shown: Usually people who crtique others writing has the least original or interesting shit say to say (whether style or content). And theres more than enough proof on some of these threads... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 I have trouble reading poorly written posts. They are difficult to decypher. Conversly, in my experience, I have found that people who write with poor grammer have generic ideas and know little about the subject they are writting about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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