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Originally posted by CACashRefund+Jan 21 2006, 02:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CACashRefund - Jan 21 2006, 02:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>When Hitler came to power in 1933, Iran was known as Persia. The shah(the guy they had in charge before the ayatollahs took over) became an admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. In 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.

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Im glad I read this not only because it was very enlightening but it explained my question of why turkey does not hate israel like most other arab countries.

 

In 1070 the land that is now turkey was invaded and seteled by the "turks" from modern day Iran...I just thought that whould be interesting to consider.

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Originally posted by 383@Jan 27 2006, 06:30 PM

.Oh yeah and the shah was put in to power by the British the Americans and the USSR when Iran got Independence in 1941(even though he was in power before)...So I am not sure if he is a good representation of Iran.

 

What? So... he was put in power even though he was in power already? Sounds like a lot of power...

 

So does Iran mean Aryan or not? I learned it did in Humanities class like 20 years ago so, there's a time factor and I'm not saying the teacher was right but he was a pretty hip guy... He said Persia was so named by the Europeans because of the laguage Pers... Kind of like calling Mexico 'Spanishy'... So, what's the story?

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Originally posted by Smart+Jan 27 2006, 10:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Smart - Jan 27 2006, 10:51 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-383@Jan 27 2006, 06:30 PM

.Oh yeah and the shah was put in to power by the British the Americans and the USSR when Iran got Independence in 1941(even though he was in power before)...So I am not sure if he is a good representation of Iran.

 

What? So... he was put in power even though he was in power already? Sounds like a lot of power...

 

So does Iran mean Aryan or not? I learned it did in Humanities class like 20 years ago so, there's a time factor and I'm not saying the teacher was right but he was a pretty hip guy... He said Persia was so named by the Europeans because of the laguage Pers... Kind of like calling Mexico 'Spanishy'... So, what's the story?

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"The term Aryan race refers to a model of racial identity that was prevelant in Europe from around the 1880s through to 1945, most notably in Nazi Germany. It has become associated with the theory that the Indo-European peoples constitute a master race.

 

The word "Aryan" derives from cultures of Iran and India. It was originally used in various Indo-Iranian languages. Possibly it originally referred to clan-identity, but it certainly later had a meaning roughly similar to "noble" or "honorable". It was sometimes used by the speakers of these languages to refer to those who were ennobled by spirtual knowledge."

There you go .....I think I was trying to get at the fact that if hitler was killing jews whos skin is white.... I find It hard to belive that people who live in areas of the world were peoples skin tends to be brown whould be trying to de brown there own peoples. but I guess in india they do have skin lighting products...the result of years of colonialization and the enlightenment telling them Brown=savage.

The word Iran is derived from the word Aryan. India is also referred to as Aryavarta, which means "the Land of Aryans".

so .....It originally has to do with language and later came to be equated with people of eroupean ancestery.

Contemporary anthropologists who believe in the existence of an ancient Aryan "race" generally have the opinion that its closest descendants today are the Persians or Iranians) and the North Indian people, (those who speak Indo-Aryan languages), not the Europeans or the Germans; so possibly the Ossetes and Slavs, but not the Nordic race with which they were equated in Nazi ideolog

there you go not eroupean and if any only eastern eroupeans but through language not phenotype or race.

 

And the shah was put into power while modern day Iran was a colony or protectorate of both russia and Britain and the coup is liked to britain and this astablished a heredity rule...the shah was an asshole the minute the iranian people got the chance they booted him ...

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if the guy didn't keep implying that muslims, even extreme ones, have 'hating jews' as the crux of their being, i'd like him a whole lot more. i get really tired of jewish authors/journalists/historians consantly needing to reinforce the idea that islam somehow holds anti semetism as a tenet of its belief. i know he doesn't claim they all do, and infact specifically states otherwise at one point, but it's kind of like me writing a long essay on black violence against whites, then having one sentence reminding people that not all blacks rob white people.

 

i also find it disconcerning that he has a show on fox.

that's all.

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383- The "master race" belief with the nazis was more of an idea than physical appearances. The physical characteristics were a big part of it, but people hung onto the idea more than anything. Hitler himself was a percentage Jewish, and Himmler the SS leader went on various expeditions to the Middle East and South America to try to "trace the aryan ancestry." If color was such a big deal there wouldn't have been Muslim and other ethnic minority divisions within the SS, arguably the most fanatic members of the nazis.

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Muslim nazis, LOL, Iv'e heard it all now.

What's next muslim vampires ?

Muslim devil worshippers?

Muslim athiests?

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"Just before World War II, Husseini moved on to Iraq. After the abortive pro-Axis Iraqi revolt of 1941, he was flown to Rome. Then, in Berlin, Husseini broadcast Nazi propaganda and helped recruit Arab supporters for the Germans."

 

13th Waffen SS Division

"Himmler thought that Moslem men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action." According to Chris Bishop, "Himmler convinced himself that Balkan Muslims were neither Slavs nor Turks, but were really Aryans who had adopted Islam." "

 

Nazi muslims? That's preposterous!

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haha...Islamic fundamentalists hate Jews and Christians and anyone that dont believe what they believe. The Koran is full of hate for others and other crazy shit.

 

FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

 

And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors. Is it then the judgment of the times of ignorance that they desire: and who is better than Allah to judge for a people who are sure? O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER AMONGST YOU TAKES THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM; SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE. (5:49-51)

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Originally posted by CACashRefund@Jan 21 2006, 03:09 PM

When Hitler came to power in 1933, Iran was known as Persia. The shah(the guy they had in charge before the ayatollahs took over) became an admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. In 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.

 

 

 

Thats crazy...Iran means Aryan...wtf?

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Originally posted by THENOTORIOUS@Jan 28 2006, 02:58 AM

haha...Islamic fundamentalists hate Jews and Christians and anyone that dont believe what they believe. The Koran is full of hate for others and other crazy shit.

 

FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

 

And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors. Is it then the judgment of the times of ignorance that they desire: and who is better than Allah to judge for a people who are sure? O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER AMONGST YOU TAKES THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM; SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE. (5:49-51)

 

Exactly.

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Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Jan 28 2006, 02:22 AM

Link#1

"Just before World War II, Husseini moved on to Iraq. After the abortive pro-Axis Iraqi revolt of 1941, he was flown to Rome. Then, in Berlin, Husseini broadcast Nazi propaganda and helped recruit Arab supporters for the Germans."

 

13th Waffen SS Division

"Himmler thought that Moslem men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action." According to Chris Bishop, "Himmler convinced himself that Balkan Muslims were neither Slavs nor Turks, but were really Aryans who had adopted Islam." "

 

Nazi muslims? That's preposterous!

 

 

 

Wow, Stereotype, That's nuts. I never heard that before, those guys must have been new.

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muslims are fascist and racist!

dont try and deny it.

Look at their damn holy gathering where hundreds of people died getting stomped on by their "brothers"

That was a sacrifice for the devil...the offering of blood to the devil Allah...who mimics the real christian god and pretends to be a beacon of peace. The Jihadists take these rules of war and conflict literally and act upon them as the Koran instructs them to less they burn in a firey hell.

they blow up buses with children and innocent women. Why wouldnt an extreme group join the Nazis and follow them in a rize to power fueled by the extermination of the peopl the muslims hat the most, Jewish people.

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Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Jan 28 2006, 02:22 AM

Link#1

"Just before World War II, Husseini moved on to Iraq. After the abortive pro-Axis Iraqi revolt of 1941, he was flown to Rome. Then, in Berlin, Husseini broadcast Nazi propaganda and helped recruit Arab supporters for the Germans."

 

13th Waffen SS Division

"Himmler thought that Moslem men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action." According to Chris Bishop, "Himmler convinced himself that Balkan Muslims were neither Slavs nor Turks, but were really Aryans who had adopted Islam." "

 

Nazi muslims? That's preposterous!

 

So the nazi's were down with saudis, moraccan, algerian, egyptians muslims, blacks, incas, aztecs and indians but not for the white jewish people livin in eroupe ... and even though half the fuckin arab world that were still living under colonial occupation were forced to fight against the nazis on the front lines in the middle east and the magrib by their colonial oppressors.......during all this, in egypt ,which was occupied by the british till 1942...20 years after it was granted "independence" ..... the muslim brotherhood under the noswe of the british where conspiring to get rid of the people that spoke semetic languages (Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Hebrew, Maltese, Syriac, Tigrigna) with the nazi who were "ANTI SEMETIC" ....so these arabs were conspiring to rid the world of arabs and jewish people of middle eastern orging ..... This is what is being said in the article above. right. and by the way if your not refering to the language semetic means "Semitic peoples in modern and ancient historic times have covered a broad area bridging Africa, Western Asia and the Arabian Peninsula" not germany poland russia ect. .....ok ....and I do realize that arabs did help the nazi's when there colonial goverments were toppled by the nazis or when the nazi's threatened their existence like the french the polish ect. and for the record I am pretty shure that it is bullshit that nazis whould approve of gulf arabs and not european jews its bullshit ... and there is a certain amount of skin color issues .... there allways is, and the nazis killed alot of ethnic groups so why would arabs be exempt especially when the idea that the "Aryans originated in ancient Germany or Scandinavia " arabs are like three steps closer to china and black africa then even eastern eroupeans.

...I dont know ...this is kinda dumb that article is obvious bullshit..it aint even from a respected publication.

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in terms of Iran being called iran..it always has been called Iran. in the west we called it persia since alexander conquered it thousands of years ago.

 

kinda like how the french call it Allemange (sp) and we call it Germany.. that is, Deutchland... same thing

 

and don't forget Arabs are Semites too

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Originally posted by THENOTORIOUS@Jan 28 2006, 05:12 AM

muslims are fascist and racist!

dont try and deny it.

Look at their damn holy gathering where hundreds of people died getting stomped on by their "brothers"

That was a sacrifice for the devil...the offering of blood to the devil Allah...who mimics the real christian god and pretends to be a beacon of peace. The Jihadists take these rules of war and conflict literally and act upon them as the Koran instructs them to less they burn in a firey hell.

they blow up  buses with children and innocent women. Why wouldnt an extreme group join the Nazis and follow them in a rize to power fueled by the extermination of the peopl the muslims hat the most, Jewish people.

 

 

Ok, notorious I can tell it's going to be fun having you around.

First of all, you seem to be a little unaware of what's happening in the real world, so I'll hip you to a few things.

#1 there is no sacrificing to the devil in Islam, I've read the quran cover to cover and I've never come across anything about sacrificing people at hajj. Call me crazy, but I've never seen it.

#2 Allah is not the devil, even christian arabs call the god of the christian bible "Allah", Look it up. Allah is an arabic word that means "The God".So If Allah was pretending to be God, then he has all the arabic speaking christians fooled into calling him Allah too.

#3 The Jihadists are not mainstream muslims, they are rebellious sinners in the light of true Islam.

#3 and as far as being racist and fascist. Islam is far removed from calling to racism or tribalism or party sectarianism. Thats one of the things Islam came to eradicate. Islam calls to the purification of the soul through worshipping the creator of the heavens and earth without using intermediates to worship him.

#4 and as far as blowing up buses with innocent women and children, well, It's wrong altogether, but why don't you charge that against the Isreali and American govt. also? Havent innocent women and children

died as a result of their "military operations"? Or is is ok to kill innocent women and children as long as you were democratically elected to do so?

 

 

 

 

 

(on another note)

Where's SF these days? did he get banned?

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Originally posted by Dawood@Jan 28 2006, 08:53 AM

Islam is far removed from ...party sectarianism.

 

please elaborate in re...

 

Alawis, Baha'i, Druze, Fatimids, Ismailis, Kahrijites, Nizari, Shi'ites, Sufis, Sunnis, Wahhabis and Zaidis.

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Originally posted by THENOTORIOUS@Jan 28 2006, 05:12 AM

muslims are fascist and racist!

 

so the muslims are a "race" now... not a religon....hmmm

so are they racist against the christian "race"?...

or the buddhist "race"?......

 

or are they not a "race" , but just racist against some people?

 

because that seems strange since islam encompasses people from all three of the phenotype groups (which is the closest thing to the false concept of "race") being negroid, mongloid and cacasoid.

 

so since race dosn't exist and is just a fake ass concept from the enlightenment that was used to prove white eroupeans were supirior what do you mean?

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Originally posted by CACashRefund@Jan 29 2006, 07:28 PM

muslims are dirty aye-rabs

 

and they STINK!

 

Yeah ...and arab people are of mixed phnotype(race); negroid, mongloid, and cacasoid ....and guess what buddy ... you got to be at least one of those, so you stink too.

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they all stink

 

 

they are filthy tricksters

 

 

and did i mention?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THEY STINK

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"So the nazi's were down with saudis, moraccan, algerian, egyptians muslims, blacks, incas, aztecs and indians"

The nazis were mad dizzown with the Middle Eastern ethnic groups you listed previously, and Muslims. They looked for their "aryan lineage" there, and in South America. They didn't have SS divisions of Aztecs ect, and were not dizown 4sho with blacks, militarily or in an attempt to try to trace their lineage.

 

"and I do realize that arabs did help the nazi's when there colonial goverments were toppled by the nazis or when the nazi's threatened their existence like the french the polish ect."

The nazis didn't threaten their existence, the SS divisions were all volunteer. Hence why one of the links was about a Muslim figure who recruited for the nazis in the middle east, 'recruiting' meaning persuading people to join without force.

 

"and for the record I am pretty shure that it is bullshit that nazis whould approve of gulf arabs and not european jews its bullshit ... and there is a certain amount of skin color issues .... there allways is, and the nazis killed alot of ethnic groups so why would arabs be exempt especially when the idea that the "Aryans originated in ancient Germany or Scandinavia " arabs are like three steps closer to china and black africa then even eastern eroupeans."

Also quoted above: "According to Chris Bishop, "Himmler convinced himself that Balkan Muslims were neither Slavs nor Turks, but were really Aryans who had adopted Islam." "

And the "aryan" ethnic groups are prevalent in the middle east. The persians speak a dialect from the aryan toungue, the Pashtuns (main ethnic group of Afghanistan) are also considered to be aryans. Saying that all muslims are automatically brown is pretty ignorant and not really a justification for the nazis to reject them at all costs. The SS muslim divisions also proving that assumption wrong. I agree that the article looks flawed to a certain extent, but it is in the realm of possibility. I didn't understand the way you worded the majority of your post so please excuse me if I missed anything.

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Originally posted by CACashRefund@Jan 29 2006, 04:25 PM

they all stink

 

 

they are filthy tricksters

 

 

and did i mention?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THEY STINK

Throw in some references to the world-wide zionist conspiracy and this could easily be one of dawood's posts.

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how about some religious statements that have nothing to do with the topic at hand?

 

 

 

 

also stereotype, your statements in reference to nazi beliefs in aryans from the middle east are quite correct

 

although skin color was a big part of the nazi racial theories, they also had a good understanding of genetics, they realized that just because you didnt look it, it could still be in your blood.

 

one story ican recal is a jewish family who fit the profile of blond and blue eyed but as stated were jewish.

 

The nazis did a ton of research going to the ends of the earth trying to dig up the origins of the aryan race.

 

 

 

The recruitment of an arab legion into the SS, was not much of an issue. Himmler imagined a legion of SS recruited from all countried the nazi's conquered. His plan was to unite all peoples of with some aryan lineage and fight for their supremacy. And the zeal they had, and their disposition to the jews made them even better candidates.

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Originally posted by Stereotype V.001+Jan 29 2006, 10:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stereotype V.001 - Jan 29 2006, 10:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-CACashRefund@Jan 29 2006, 04:25 PM

they all stink

 

 

they are filthy tricksters

 

 

and did i mention?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THEY STINK

Throw in some references to the world-wide zionist conspiracy and this could easily be one of dawood's posts.

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wow, do I really talk like that?

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Originally posted by Smart+Jan 29 2006, 03:29 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Smart - Jan 29 2006, 03:29 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Dawood@Jan 28 2006, 08:53 AM

Islam is far removed from ...party sectarianism.

 

please elaborate in re...

 

Alawis, Baha'i, Druze, Fatimids, Ismailis, Kahrijites, Nizari, Shi'ites, Sufis, Sunnis, Wahhabis and Zaidis.

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Yeah, that's absolutely right. there are even more sects than you listed, many more. But Islam is still far removed from them. Just because they claim Islam , that doesn't mean that Islam claims them.

 

It's like the old poetry, "Everyone claims Layla , but Layla doesn't claim any of them."

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