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Maybe they like the idea that they are still being percieved by the world as a serious threat, and dont feel like disproving statements that perpetuate that idea.

 

Why wouldnt Osama use the video cameras that he has used in the past? All of a sudden he's releasing poor quality audio tapes. What next? Hastily written messages on bar napkins that he wrote after having a few too many?

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Here is a really good article about the Madrid situation. It gives a more complete and less blurb like idea of what terrorists are doing. The thing I took from this article is that Al Queda seems to be more of a name than an intimate network of terror cells...

 

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040802fa_fact

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even if bin laden caught a bad one, you think we'll ever get a straight answer?

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lovers til the end.

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Originally posted by BucketHead@Jan 21 2006, 05:48 PM

Why wouldnt Osama use the video cameras that he has used in the past? All of a sudden he's releasing poor quality audio tapes. What next? Hastily written messages on bar napkins that he wrote after having a few too many?

 

your guess is as good as mines, maybe hes in shitty health and doesnt want to look it?

 

plastic surgery?

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Originally posted by BURLAP@Jan 22 2006, 01:20 AM

i just noticed that there's a wutang W on W's ass cheek.

 

Looking pretty close, huh? [seinfeld voice]Not that theres anything wrong with that.[/seinfeld voice]

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/20/...tape/index.html

So, two tapes released seemingly in response to the air strike, without any reference of the air strike, or any other dates that would prove the tapes are current. I would think they would like to brag how the infidels missed them and killed a dozen innocent people. Interesting.

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do you define "eggrolled" as posting ironic or sarcastic pictures in the middle of otherwise serious discussions in order to intorduce levity and to possibly infuriate dawood (at least on the nature thread....lol)???

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look, bin laden is very important. the spectre of him haunting around the middle east, engineering the latest horror plotline is incredibly valuable to both sides. whether or not

the voice of the devil is real and whether or not it just happens to be very convenient at any given time i don't know...but if i was running shit, i'd love bin laden's ass...the occasional reminder that he's still out there is great for business.

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Originally posted by BURLAP@Jan 22 2006, 05:00 PM

look, bin laden is very important. the spectre of him haunting around the middle east, engineering the latest horror plotline is incredibly valuable to both sides. whether or not

the voice of the devil is real and whether or not it just happens to be very convenient at any given time i don't know...but if i was running shit, i'd love bin laden's ass...the occasional reminder that he's still out there is great for business.

 

 

He's not important to our side. Man we would LOVE for him and terrorism to be gone, because if it was that'd mean noone believed in jihad and martyrdom anymore and good muslims would embrace trading with the allmighty west. Washington would love it too because if 911 never happened, they wouldn't look like devil worshipers for making their bed with Saudi Arabia.

 

Bin Laden's DEFINITELY fucking some shit up for Washington.

 

ADDED: Michael Moore's a faggot for giving everybody that fucking idea. Eggrolling 12oz topics and shit.

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except a good majority of muslims sympathize with portions of bin laden's position.

as for the washington/saudi affair, that is barely a blip on the screen, despite michael moore's best efforts.

and i guess it depends on how you define 'our side' and 'we'.

obviously the general public in westernized nations do not need bin laden and terror.

but for politicians that have little legitimacy to their authority, bin laden is the fucking man. how do you think brazenly scumbag politicians like the ones that have staffed your executive branch have lasted this long? bush was a dead duck before 9/11 and since then he's made it his mission to invoke the spectre of evil doers repeatedly with a venture capitalists opportunism.

there isn't a chance in hell the bush/cheney syndicate would have gotten away with a quarter

of the shit they've pulled without convenient fall guys like bin laden the cave dwelling evil doer, and

saddam, the once useful dictator with amazingly despicable human rights violations that got a little too mouthy for his own good, despite those great traits.

but hey, perhaps they really do have normal ego's and minimal arrogance and use for power. perhaps they really do want to get back into the business of selling dreams instead of nightmares they'll protect us from.

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its so convienent with bin laden. they can say he's either alive or dead.

 

dammit i told myself i'd stop saying they...

 

its impossible at this point to determine if he's dead or not. it's perfect.

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Osamas second in command aknowledges the the osama tape,

 

 

(CNN) -- Osama bin Laden's right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, appeared in a new video Monday, saying he is alive and well just weeks after a U.S. missile strike targeted him in Pakistan.

 

He also called President Bush a "loser" and the "butcher of Washington."

 

"I will meet my death when God wishes," al-Zawahiri said in the three-and-a-half minute video, which was broadcast on the Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera.

 

Al-Zawahiri taunted the U.S. president, saying, "Bush, do you know where I am? I am among the Muslim masses, enjoying their care with God's blessings and sharing with them their holy war against you until we defeat you." (Transcript)

 

Al-Zawahiri specifically referred to an attack that was aimed at killing him January 13 in the remote Pakistan village of Damadola.

 

"Their claim was to target this poor man and four of my brothers," al-Zawahiri said. "The whole world discovered the lies as the Americans fight Islam and the Muslims."

 

Eighteen people were killed in the CIA-led attack, which prompted large-scale protests across Pakistan.

 

Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, who al-Zawahiri also blamed for the attack, has said he believed about five or six al Qaeda operatives were killed in the attack, but he also condemned the strike as a "violation of sovereignty." (Full story)

 

Al-Zawahiri did not say if any al Qaeda members died in the attack. He also did not say if he was nearby or if he had plans to be at the homes that were targeted, as some reports have indicated.

 

"My first message is to the butcher of Washington, Bush: You are not just defeated and lying about it, but you are, with God's help, a loser," he said. "You are bad luck to your people; you brought them disasters and catastrophes, and you will bring them even more disasters."

 

A U.S. counterterrorism official said a tape of this type would be "fully expected" after al-Zawahiri survived the assassination attempt, and there is "no reason to doubt its authenticity."

 

The official said it is believed that the goal of the tape is to "provide reassurance to the al Qaeda rank and file that he really did survive."

 

The bespectacled al-Zawahiri is wearing a white turban with white traditional Muslim garments in the video, which is set against a black backdrop. The video also bears the logo of As-Sahab, al Qaeda's media production house.

 

Indicating a relatively swift turnaround time for the tape, it makes reference to an audiotape from bin Laden that surfaced January 19. In that tape, bin Laden offered the United States a truce, which was flatly rejected, and said it is "only a matter of time" before America is attacked again. (Full story)

 

"The lion of Islam, Sheik Osama bin Laden, offered you a decent exit from your dilemma, but your leaders, who are keen to accumulate wealth, insist on throwing you in battles and killing your souls in Iraq and Afghanistan -- and, God willing, on your own land," al-Zawahiri said.

 

"To the American mother I say, if the defense ministry called you to tell you your son is coming back home in a coffin, remember Bush," al-Zawahiri said.

 

"To the British wife I say, if you got a call telling you your husband is coming back home with his body charred, remember [british Prime Minister Tony] Blair."

 

Osama bin Laden's top deputy was last seen in a video broadcast by Al-Jazeera on January 6. (Full story)

 

On January 20, al-Zawahiri recited poetry to jihadists on a 17-minute audiotape that was posted on the Internet. (Full story)

 

Al-Zawahiri -- an Egyptian exile who has served as bin Laden's personal doctor -- has a $25 million reward posted for his head in connection with the attacks of September 11, 2001, and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

 

story.zawahiri.0130.jpg

 

I guess this might be a fake too...

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round em up'/ move em' out/ round em' up/ move em' out / round em' up/ move em' out /

RAWHIDE!

round em up'/ move em' out/ round em' up/ move em' out / round em' up/ move em' out /

RAWHIDE!

 

 

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!!

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^^^^^^^^^^^

LOL

osama is a slippery bastard.

I thought my cab driver the othernight was Osama.

I was all set to collect my bounty but

The cops showed up and confirmed that he wasnt.

Ill fucking find him though

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From the people that brought you Gitmo

 

Trust me folks you are reading these words from someone who knows the destruction that BCIS or INS can cause to a human being from a psychological point of view. The below story is also reminiscent of the Japanese concentration camps that existed during World War 2. Below is a reminder of what happened. Below that article is another more recent article regarding OUR possible future:

 

I leave you with my favorite quote of all time: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905

 

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

 

Japanese Americans in Concentration Camps

 

“Our people were forced into concentration camps and their lives where ripped away from them. One of the reasons that they threw us into the terrible living conditions was that they believed that we were spies for Japan during World War II, which in the end only ten people were convicted of spying for Japan, all of whom were Caucasian. The sudden attack of Pearl Harbor increased a fear of our people. Members of congress escalated fear of us among the American people. As early as January 1942, there was talk of imprisoning us. Many whites were motivated by economic self-interest and were determined to destroy our businesses, which they saw as competition.

 

It all began with police raids, where they were frantically looking for those of us, whom they thought to be spies. More than two thousand of us were arrested without any evidence of disloyalty. Our businesses were forced to close down, the police were illegally detaining us, evicting us from our homes, and firing us from our jobs.

 

In the first phase of federal action that was taken against us, we along with anyone else whose ancestry was linked to countries at war with the U.S., where moved out of our areas and our travel was restricted. On February 19, 1942 phase two began when President Franklin Roosevelt issued executive order 9066. It stated that military commanders could designate areas that they could exclude us from living there. Areas such as the western parts of California, Washington, Oregon, and southern parts of Arizona were areas that were restricted from us. We were the only ones who were detained in assembly centers, in large numbers, and later transported under guard to barbed-wire concentration camps.

 

Our businesses had to be sold quickly and at a loss. The only crime that we ever did was to be perceived by whites as racially different. We faced many different forms of racial oppression behind the barbwire. In one camp the administration arranged for us to be hired out to white personnel, as domestics, at the low wage of thirty dollars per month. Part of this money was taken from us for recreational facilities for white personnel. On some of the camps some of us were given jobs as barber’s and cafeteria workers. We were paid as little as sixteen dollars a week.

 

In the camps we didn’t really have any of our belongings because we were told that we could only bring with us what we could carry. We were taken away from our jobs, homes, places of worship, and schools, and even separated from our families. We were forced to live in these small barracks with hundreds of other people. The living quarters were extremely tight, with people basically sleeping on top of us. We had to eat and sleep when they told us to, and of course the food was barely edible. We were restricted to these tiny perimeters in the camp, surrounded by armed military personnel. Many of the camps that we lived in were located in cold areas, where we would freeze and be surrounded by extreme amounts of dust.

 

We didn’t just stand for what they were doing to us, we tried to fight it, but it seemed like a useless fight. We had numerous demonstrations, six thousand of us even renounced our U.S. citizenship. Gradually, several thousand college students and workers on special agricultural assignments were released from the camps. Others of us were released to go into the U.S. army, which was very ironic, because many of us served under white officers.

 

In March of 1946 the last of the camps were closed down. Many of us then returned to the West Coast and found jobs as farmers and in businesses under whites. When we returned we found everything of ours in ruins, our household goods were destroyed, we now had nothing.�

 

 

 

Article 2: Please read this- VERY IMPORTANT FOLKS::

 

Halliburton affiliate tabbed to build immigration jails

 

by Mason Stockstill

 

February 5, 2006

 

Inland Valley Daily Bulletin

 

A Houston-based construction firm with ties to the White House has been awarded an open-ended contract to build immigration detention centers that could total $385 million a move that some critics called questionable.

 

The contract calls for KBR, a subsidiary of oil engineering and construction giant Halliburton, to build temporary detention facilities in the event of an "immigration emergency," according to U.S. officials.

 

"If, for example, there were some sort of upheaval in another country that would cause mass migration, that's the type of situation that this contract would address," said Jamie Zuieback of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "Essentially, this is a contingency contract."

 

Under the contract, which was awarded by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, KBR could also be tasked to operate one or more temporary detention facilities, and to develop a plan for responding to a natural disaster in which ICE personnel participate in relief efforts. The contract, which does not specify locations for the detention facilities, is good for one year, with the option for four, one-year extensions.

 

The open-ended nature of the contract described as "indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity" raises concerns about overcharging and other potential abuse, said Charlie Cray, director of the Washington-based Center for Corporate Policy and a frequent Halliburton critic.

 

The Government Accounting Office has criticized both Halliburton and KBR for cost overruns and inappropriately obtaining government projects under a similar contingency-based program connected to reconstruction work in Iraq, Cray said. The companies' work in Iraq has ranged from providing meals for soldiers to planning for troops to occupy Iraqi oil fields.

 

Halliburton's billions of dollars in revenue from federal contracts, many of them awarded without competitive bidding, have made it a frequent target of critics who accuse the Bush administration of cronyism.

 

Vice President Dick Cheney is Halliburton's former CEO.

 

KBR also has faced allegations that, through subcontractors, it hired numerous illegal immigrants to perform rebuilding work in the Gulf Coast region following Hurricane Katrina, and paid them sub-minimum wages. The company's hiring practices in Iraq have come under scrutiny for the alleged exploitation of foreign workers.

 

But KBR officials said the contract for detention facilities is well-deserved, because of the firm's experience in building infrastructure and support networks for U.S. military and law enforcement.

 

KBR's revenues totaled $3 billion in the fourth quarter of 2005, according to company figures released Friday, and Halliburton plans to sell part of the subsidiary through an initial public offering in the coming months.

 

"We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support," said Bruce Stanski, KBR's vice president of government and infrastructure, in a statement.

 

There's no guarantee that any work will be performed under the contract; if no immigration emergency or natural disaster occurs, there won't be anything for KBR to do, said company spokeswoman Cathy Mann.

 

However, outside events have prompted large waves of migration in the past. Political upheaval and changes in immigration policy in nations such as Haiti, Cuba and Rwanda caused an influx of immigrants and refugees from those countries at different times.

 

Additionally, ICE is planning to increase the capacity of its detention facilities around the country, Zuieback said, particularly after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff pledged to end the agency's unofficial "catch-and-release" policy for some illegal immigrants.

 

Because ICE's detention facilities are frequently full, there is nowhere to hold illegal immigrants who must go through an immigration hearing before they can be deported which include most immigrants from nations other than Mexico. In the past, those undocumented migrants have been issued an order to appear for their court date, and then simply released into the United States. Most of them never show up for the hearings.

 

While increasing the number of beds available in detention facilities would address the issue, Zuieback said the department also is working on agreements with several other countries that would allow the expedited deportation of illegal aliens from those nations without the requirement for a hearing in front of an immigration judge.

 

"Part of the reason why expedited removal is so important is you can create more beds by moving those people out of there faster," she said.

 

Mason Stockstill can be reached by e-mail at mason.stockstill@dailybulletin.com , or by phone at (909) 483-9354.

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oh come on... even cbs news said bush moved osama and his family to pakistan on 9/12 they just got in trouble and couldnt repeat the story..

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http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1

 

NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998 — At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term that describes an agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow.

 

BEFORE YOU CLICK on my face and call me naive, let me concede some points. Yes, the West needed Josef Stalin to defeat Hitler. Yes, there were times during the Cold War when supporting one villain (Cambodia’s Lon Nol, for instance) would have been better than the alternative (Pol Pot). So yes, there are times when any nation must hold its nose and shake hands with the devil for the long-term good of the planet.

But just as surely, there are times when the United States, faced with such moral dilemmas, should have resisted the temptation to act. Arming a multi-national coalition of Islamic extremists in Afghanistan during the 1980s - well after the destruction of the Marine barracks in Beirut or the hijacking of TWA Flight 847 - was one of those times.

BIN LADEN’S BEGINNINGS

 

 

 

As anyone who has bothered to read this far certainly knows by now, bin Laden is the heir to Saudi construction fortune who, at least since the early 1990s, has used that money to finance countless attacks on U.S. interests and those of its Arab allies around the world.

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

Taliban militiamen watch as one of their tanks light up an opposition position northeast of Kabul on Aug. 15.

Image: Taliban Militiamen Watch Fireball.

By no means was Osama bin Laden the leader of Afghanistan’s mujahedeen. His money gave him undue prominence in the Afghan struggle, but the vast majority of those who fought and died for Afghanistan’s freedom - like the Taliban regime that now holds sway over most of that tortured nation - were Afghan nationals.

Yet the CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan made famous by Rudyard Kipling, found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to “read� than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable� partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

WHAT’S ‘INTELLIGENT’ ABOUT THIS?

Though he has come to represent all that went wrong with the CIA’s reckless strategy there, by the end of the Afghan war in 1989, bin Laden was still viewed by the agency as something of a dilettante - a rich Saudi boy gone to war and welcomed home by the Saudi monarchy he so hated as something of a hero.

In fact, while he returned to his family’s construction business, bin Laden had split from the relatively conventional MAK in 1988 and established a new group, al-Qaida, that included many of the more extreme MAK members he had met in Afghanistan.

Exiled Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden is seen in this April, 1998 photo in Afghanistan.

Image: Usama bin Laden Most of these Afghan vets, or Afghanis, as the Arabs who fought there became known, turned up later behind violent Islamic movements around the world. Among them: the GIA in Algeria, thought responsible for the massacres of tens of thousands of civilians; Egypt’s Gamat Ismalia, which has massacred western tourists repeatedly in recent years; Saudi Arabia Shiite militants, responsible for the Khobar Towers and Riyadh bombings of 1996.

Indeed, to this day, those involved in the decision to give the Afghan rebels access to a fortune in covert funding and top-level combat weaponry continue to defend that move in the context of the Cold War. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee making those decisions, told my colleague Robert Windrem that he would make the same call again today even knowing what bin Laden would do subsequently. “It was worth it,� he said.

“Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union,� he said.

HINDSIGHT OR TUNNEL VISION

It should be pointed out that the evidence of bin Laden’s connection to these activities is mostly classified, though its hard to imagine the CIA rushing to take credit for a Frankenstein’s monster like this.

It is also worth acknowledging that it is easier now to oppose the CIA’s Afghan adventures than it was when Hatch and company made them in the mid-1980s. After all, in 1998 we now know that far larger elements than Afghanistan were corroding the communist party’s grip on power in Moscow.

Even Hatch can’t be blamed completely. The CIA, ever mindful of the need to justify its “mission,� had conclusive evidence by the mid-1980s of the deepening crisis of infrastructure within the Soviet Union. The CIA, as its deputy director Robert Gates acknowledged under congressional questioning in 1992, had decided to keep that evidence from President Reagan and his top advisors and instead continued to grossly exaggerate Soviet military and technological capabilities in its annual “Soviet Military Power� report right up to 1990.

Given that context, a decision was made to provide America’s potential enemies with the arms, money - and most importantly - the knowledge of how to run a war of attrition violent and well-organized enough to humble a superpower.

That decision is coming home to roost.

 

Michael Moran is MSNBC’s International Editor

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TALEBAN IN TEXAS ('97)

 

A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the United States for talks with an international energy company that wants to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to Pakistan.

 

A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban were expected to spend several days at the company's headquarters in Sugarland, Texas.

 

Unocal says it has agreements both with Turkmenistan to sell its gas and with Pakistan to buy it.

 

But, despite the civil war in Afghanistan, Unocal has been in competition with an Argentinian firm, Bridas, to actually construct the pipeline.

 

Last month, the Argentinian firm, Bridas, announced that it was close to signing a two-billion dollar deal to build the pipeline, which would carry gas 1,300 kilometres from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, across Afghanistan.

 

In May, Taleban-controlled radio in Kabul said a visiting delegation from an Argentinian company had announced that pipeline construction would start "soon".

 

 

 

The radio has reported several visits to Kabul by Unocal and Bridas company officials over the past few months.

 

A BBC regional correspondent says the proposal to build a pipeline across Afghanistan is part of an international scramble to profit from developing the rich energy resources of the Caspian Sea.

 

With the various Afghan factions still at war, the project has looked from the outside distinctly unpromising.

 

Last month the Taleban Minister of Information and Culture, Amir Khan Muttaqi, said the Taleban had held talks with both American and Argentine-led consortia over transit rights but that no final agreement had yet been reached. He said an official team from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan should meet to ensure each country benefited from any deal.

 

However, Unocal clearly believes it is still in with a chance - to the extent that it has already begun training potential staff.

 

It has commissioned the University of Nebraska to teach Afghan men the technical skills needed for pipeline construction. Nearly 140 people were enrolled last month in Kandahar and Unocal also plans to hold training courses for women in administrative skills.

 

Although the Taleban authorities only allow women to work in the health sector, organisers of the training say they haven't so far raised any objections.

 

The BBC regional correspondent says the Afghan economy has been devastated by 20 years of civil war. A deal to go ahead with the pipeline project could give it a desperately-needed boost.

 

But peace must be established first -- and that for the moment still seems a distant prospect.

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FUCK THAT TAPE. The U.S can say WHATEVER they want and WE THE PEOPLE won't have a clue if it's real or Bullshit. At this point, they can pretty much lie about whatever they want and most people in this country will just believe it or basically not give a fuck anyway. 1st they've got video camera's and now they decide to make an "audio tape"?? Smells like SHIT!

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its honestly all shit. but what do you expect? the government, any government wont always tell the truth to the people. why should they? human beings in nature lie and make shit up. if you told everyone the truth all the time, your life would suck.

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