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New York Cracks Down On Graffiti Artists

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NEW YORK (AFP) - Having waged a long and largely successful war against its prolific graffiti artists, New York is seeking to disarm the city's holdout "spray-painting punks" once and for all.

 

Since January 1, a raft of new restrictions have come into force, including raising from 18 to 21 the age at which it is legal to possess "graffiti instruments," such as etching acid, aerosol paint cans and broad-tipped indelible markers.

 

More draconian is a statute making anyone deemed in possession of such instruments with the intent to "make graffiti" subject to arrest.

 

Newly re-elected mayor, Michael Bloomberg, said the new laws were "common sense measures" that would keep New York clean and beautiful.

 

The municipal council member behind the new restrictions, Peter Vallone, was less restrained in touting their importance.

 

"We realise these bills push the envelope. But it's time to get serious," Vallone told the Daily News. "We can no longer let these spray-painting punks use our city as their unmarked canvas."

 

The city initiative has reignited a long-running debate between the defenders of graffiti as legitimate street art and those who view its proponents as little more than vandals.

 

Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said the bills were an "embarrassment" and an example of the city overeaching to criminalise a "perfectly lawful, protected, expressive activity."

 

"It's one thing to ban the unlawful marking of a building, but it's crazy to criminalise carrying around a pen!" Lieberman said.

 

Urban graffiti peaked in New York in the mid-1970s, most notably on the subway system, where large numbers of competing artists, or "writers," daubed the train exteriors with their elaborate, sprayed creations.

 

Increased transport security and the development of graffiti-resistant materials saw the underground movement dwindle away by the start of the 1990s and many writers either gave up or went mainstream, working for advertising companies or even championed by art dealers.

 

Their street work has not completely disappeared, with graffiti marks still popping up on sections of walls, bridges and abandoned factories, especially in the boroughs outside Manhattan.

 

"It's always been more of a hobby for most writers," said KET, a 35-year-old graffiti legend turned publisher, who prefers to be identified by his writer's "tag."

 

"It's something that we do or we did very much full time when we were kids and then later turns something that we do more as a form of recreation than a full time activity," he told AFP.

 

For KET, the new legislation is not only unfair, but also impractical because it focuses on punishment rather than prevention.

 

"None of it is going to stop graffiti, none of it is going to stop people from painting," he said. "No matter what laws you create there's still a need for people to express themselves publicly and that's never going to change."

 

He also echoed Lieberman in arguing that the measures went way too far.

 

"I don't think that everyone that carries around spray paint is a graffiti writer," he said. "It makes it a tough thing just for regular students, which I don't think is really fair.

 

KET believes a better initiative would be to begin treating graffiti as a genuine form of cultural expression.

 

"Then maybe more and more people would move towards the art form versus the vandalism side of it," he said.

 

One motivating factor behind the new bills is a slight resurgence in subway graffiti, with writers using etching acid to create indelible marks on the train windows.

 

"I think it's a very clever way for writers to introduce their names back into the subway which is where a lot of writers feel like their names belong," KET said.

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Originally posted by TrustUGN@Jan 10 2006, 02:07 AM

One motivating factor behind the new bills is a slight resurgence in subway graffiti, with writers using etching acid to create indelible marks on the train windows.

 

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clean and beautiful?

they might wanna think about picking up some of the trash too.

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me and a couple of buddies came out of retirement last weekend and wrecked some shit for the sole purpose of saying fuck you to this bill. we'll be out again cause now we all have the itch, thanks vallone

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Originally posted by symbols@Jan 10 2006, 04:25 PM

clean and beautiful?

they might wanna think about picking up some of the trash too.

 

Yeah, and rounding up the homeless and packing them off to forced labor camps

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who cares, trains are getting hit....streets are getting bombed. did laws stop anyone from doing anything in the first place? no, will they stop anyone now? nope.

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i think its madd bucked how how politicians always OD with graff laws. its just a political tactic to get them re-elected...they could focuse more on getting real crime down but people dont see that with their own two eyes as much as they see graffiti so theyd rather attempt to bring dow something more personally noticable than something statistical...my friend just got hasled for having a sharpie in his pocket and walking into a courthouse, it was mad funny

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remember when they cracked down on graff in 86? and in 88? Then again in 94? and then again it 99?

 

We still do it.

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There has been several wars on graffiti - And now we all know there is no graffiti anymore.

Remember the war on drugs - Yeah, now there are no drugs anymore.

Hey, they are also fighting the war on terroism, Im sure that will be gone soon too...

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wow..NYPD is all about those easy arrests..I swear all qualilty of life laws do is give Police Departments a little extra padding when its time to turn in qoutas at the end of the month..fuck the police

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Man, graffiti is a form of ocd for most serious writers. I think people need to look into that. graffiti is an addiction. Of course laws arent going to stop people, its just going to weed out the people that are in it for alterior motives, as much as i love it, graffiti is a sickness for a lot of people. I know people know what im talking about.

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Word to $2 dollar.

By the sounds of things the fucking government are trying to crack down on graffiti writers all across the world. THere doing the same shit in Melburn Australia. They want to buff every single wall in and around the melbourne city area.

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Originally posted by symbols@Jan 10 2006, 08:25 AM

clean and beautiful?

they might wanna think about picking up some of the trash too.

 

graffiti causes people to drop more trash.

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^ lol..yeah you know how that is...I carry my paint in a Micky D's bag...i leave my used condoms all over cuz I fuck about 5 hoes on the way there...I use mad needles while Im rocking the spot....

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i never quite understood the logic for graffiti increasing other crime rates.. do people see graffiti and go nutz? hmmm.. well yea.. maybe they see sense of lawlwessnes hey they got away with all that so we can with our shit, and negborhood seems neglected (from gaffiti) anyway.. ok yea i guess that kinda makes sense.. i dunno tho

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itll be pretty easy for them to say that, its a cops word against yours, and most cats dont have money to spend on lawyers, and are goign to get fucked for that shit, and if you dont think the broken window theory your hella naive and stupid and prolly are a firm believer in the 4 elements, aight, graffiti does increase crime rates, cause it subconciously lets people know that other people have gotten away with crimes at that area, so like people are more comfortable doing crime, also lets say you have a clean room, you leave a pair of pants on the ground, the next day your like fuck it, theres already clothes on the ground, i might as well just drop these clothes on the groudn to, it dont matter, and then its like 2 weeks later, and your room is hella messy. its the same theory think about it, and if a door gets tagged once, a million other writers are going to tag it, think about ti, like how many spots you see where theres just one tag on a big surace. graffiti spreads like cancer, the same way humans do, like i know you guys all want to be in denial, but really, graffiti is nothing more than us writing our names on walls, we like it cause it gives us adrenaline, people talk about you, it makes you bigger than you already are, it make us feel permanent in a very temporary world, gives you attention, you can feel tight for eluding the police, you cna brag to your boys about your spots, if your really into it for the art your a nerd, there is an art to it definitely, but the only reason theres an art, is because to many people started tagging, so they need a way to differentiate all the tags, and add another level of competition to it, and that just evolved and evolved, really every writer i ever met, who was "all about the art bra" has been a square, and they usually dont write that much, and there usually not that good, most cats who write graffiti, just starrt wtiting therre name on shit, when there hella young, and never stop, or its cats who had homies they do it, and then they got addicted, graffiti is tight i love graffiti, but lets not have any grand illusions about who we are or what we do.

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the art is also an excuse for the crime, what other crimes you know where people try to justify it by saying its pretty, or that its self expression, to some people violence is self expression and pretty, like cats need to stop acting hella surprised that people trip on them for doing crime, like most criminals are never surprised that they start gettign tougher ont hem, they either get a new hustle, go to jail or drop out the game.

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I didnt read through the threas.. but i dont think there is a dissagreement in the broken window theory, grafiti breeds graffiti duh.. i was skeptical of it breeding crime then i wasnt, but i can hold contradictory views its normal.. anyway how the fuck does grafffiti express yourself that doesnt make any sense.. other than you like to o graffiti

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