Soup Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Okay, two things. One, stop fucking worrying about this wire tapping bullshit. It doesn't effect you and in fact this PC bullshit you guys are yacking on about just prevents it from helping you. Until you hear about some white guy being arrested and sentenced jail time for shit like graffiti from wiretapping, why the fuck do you care? And 9/11 was preventable, but on a scale you can't talk about without an essay. Pretty much CIA, NSA, all intelligence we had in the area was way too downsized and underbudgeted. We hardly even had arabic translators, so shut the fuck up about conspiracies, it's all propaganda from the acid generation. Just look at that movie about the one guy from Germany, there was NOTHING in his background that would have tipped off intelligence that he was even a believer in Jihad. Stop thinking the powers that be simply LET it happen. Washington couldn't keep a secret if it tried, just look at our relations in Saudi Arabia. Everyone fucking KNOWS we can't touch em because if Saudi Arabia decided to embargo the US from its oil then we'd be in another great depression era. Nevermind the trillion dollars they have in US banks and other trillion in the US stock market. Great depression may be an overstatement, then again... Moreover the major reason we don't fuck with Saudi Arabia is it's not good for the economy, which is Washington's main priority. Saudi Arabia picks up a lot of retired Washington politicians too, I think GW's the most famous one. The point is there's no conspiracy, pick up a book it's all there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo knife Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 What movie about the one guy from germany are you talking about? And you think washington couldn't keep a secret?...I'm not saying anything about conspiracies here but, I assure you "washington" has plenty of secrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I think the movie was "The Hamburg Cell", 'the guy' being Ziad Jarrah. Here's some background tho: Ziad Jarra came from a secular suni family, and like most well off Suni families, Ziad went to a christian school. Sagesse Highschool in Beirut, Lebanon. His father also from a young age always pushed Ziad to study aeronautical engineering since it was a field sure to land him a good job in the gulf or possibly even in the US. When Ziad went to florida for flight training, his father assumed he was doing it to help his career and sent him $2,000 a month for tuition and board. Not even his family had a clue Ziad was preparing for a terrorist attack or even that he believed in Jihad. Ziad didn't talk about Islam, rarely went to the Mosk or read the Koran. To his family he seemed to only be interested in a good career and girls. When he was studying in Germany and his Turkish girlfriend had to go home, Ziad called her five times a day. The point is that he wasn't even from that large and growing pool of young unemployed destitute middle eastern males who have been so subsceptable to recruitment by terrorist groups. The closest thing his family got to a tipoff was he asked for $750 to have a little fun before leaving the United States, and how would his family assume he wanted a vacation before mass murdering thousands? His family still doesn't believe he did it, and I don't really blame them. When it comes to gathering intelligence on people to draw connections to them and terrorism there needs to be a lot more. Ziad acted as a stateless person, more than likely was converted and indoctrinated while he was a student in Germany. He never claimed loyalty to a state or a soverign leader, but rather to a man who lived in a cave. He attacked us on our own soil using our own technology. Rather than drawing on a state treasury, his family, private charities and wealthy buisnessmen payrolled his cause. To add to the confusion, the cause of Ziad's alienation is incomprehensible at least to us in the west. Unlike the Shia terrorists of the 80's, we can't point to poverty or civil war. Also Ziad had not suffered disposession like generations of palestinians terroists. He was weened on the internet and Mtv more than he was on the Koran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Originally posted by Soup@Jan 19 2006, 03:01 AM Okay, two things. One, stop fucking worrying about this wire tapping bullshit. It doesn't effect you and in fact this PC bullshit you guys are yacking on about just prevents it from helping you. Until you hear about some white guy being arrested and sentenced jail time for shit like graffiti from wiretapping, why the fuck do you care? Quoted post I have stopped worrying about this because I have no personal stake in liberty and the equal application of justice. My friend from Bangladesh who was almost deported because of over zealous government policies does not matter - it is written. Foreign governments owning a major stake in our economy, especially our debt does not concern me. The willingness of our government to go so heavily in debt for tax cuts to the rich knowing that it will be purchased by these governments does not concern me. I will pick up a book than put it down having been enlightened, until now I have not read anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Originally posted by KING BLING@Jan 19 2006, 10:13 PM Foreign governments owning a major stake in our economy, especially our debt does not concern me. The willingness of our government to go so heavily in debt for tax cuts to the rich knowing that it will be purchased by these governments does not concern me. Quoted post It should when Saudi Arabia openly supports terrorism on every level from funding it down to manpower, and the reason we can't put a stop to it is because we fear for the worst about our economy. What statistics do you have about tax cuts? Just how much money would the rich stand to lose for America to get out of debt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Originally posted by KING BLING@Jan 19 2006, 05:13 PM I have stopped worrying about this because I have no personal stake in liberty and the equal application of justice. My friend from Bangladesh who was almost deported because of over zealous government policies does not matter - it is written. Foreign governments owning a major stake in our economy, especially our debt does not concern me. The willingness of our government to go so heavily in debt for tax cuts to the rich knowing that it will be purchased by these governments does not concern me. I will pick up a book than put it down having been enlightened, until now I have not read anything... Quoted post the problem isnt the lower taxes, its the pork. its the spending. its the increase of the federal state. the problem is, they are cutting taxes, but not programs and people along with it. does anyone not see that ANY income tax is immoral and anti constitutional principle?. whats right about taxing the "rich" when the "poor" arent doing anything but collecting a check? "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is socialism. its one of the basis's of the communist manifesto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 as for this topic... its pretty cut and dry. 4th amendment of the constitution. "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_vagina Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 this story hasn't made it hare yet? google opposing govt. request for search records this is really big news.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Originally posted by richard_vagina@Jan 19 2006, 02:49 PM this story hasn't made it hare yet? google opposing govt. request for search records this is really big news.. Quoted post The government is bad news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 HAHAHAHAHA, soup you have obviously not majored in political science, what are you, in your first semester? You hack. Do you watch fox news alot.....or should I say FAUX news LOLOLOL (very clever). Seriously, everyone knows that 911 was just a way for the black house/antichrist to bring in the police state. And 911 could have been easily prevented by waving a magical wand, domestic spying is completely wrong in all circumstances, not necessary, and could never ever remotely help prevent terrorism on our soil in any way at all. The more I write it, the more I believe it myself. Shit, my college, that just coincidentally received a 20 million dollar "grant" from a member of the Saudi royal family that also happens to routinely and publicly donate money to terrorist organizations, has enlightened me about how the world REALLY works. Get with the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_vagina Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 yahoo admits to giving govt lawyers records, msn no comment.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Stereotype, Washington loves Saudi arabia, Saudi Arabia takes care of Washington. That 20 mill your school got was a little bed-side manner for the trouble 911 caused America, but if you think that makes our government the antichrist, then every government in the world is evil, and you have the same grip on reality as those suicide bombers bent that America, west, fucking everyone with a dollar more then them is evil and only Allah is good. Hahaha I'll take you thinking I sound like a major in political science, first term, as a compliment. No, I'm an automotive designer. I just like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 No, I said you sound like you're not a political science major. That can only be a positive thing. My post was more of an effort to combine all the other 12ozer's opinions into one, than bitching at you for thinking rationally.....I want to fit in..so bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 you just cant resist being an ass can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_vagina Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 LET THE WHITEHOUSE KNOW HOW YOU FEEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Birch Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 in regards to the google thing...I think its good that they refused and I commend them....I only use google anyway, but after this I aint never gonna use msn or yahoo search the govt's excuse is that they want to write a new child porn law....fuck that shit...They just want to know what people are searching for so they can find a way to place misinformation/filters etc, like China tries to do.... just think what this Iraq war would be like w/o the internet...its taken almost 100 years for the philipine insurgency to come to light and how the USA murdered millions to crush it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by Tesseract@Jan 20 2006, 09:53 PM you just cant resist being an ass can you? Quoted post Nope. The majority of my post (I think I read the "faux news" comment in another thread) were all comments directed at me in this thread by other people because I don't let my politics make my opinons up for me. So I guess there is a pod of assholes circulating in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_vagina Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001+Jan 21 2006, 02:19 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stereotype V.001 - Jan 21 2006, 02:19 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Tesseract@Jan 20 2006, 09:53 PM you just cant resist being an ass can you? Quoted post Nope. The majority of my post (I think I read the "faux news" comment in another thread) were all comments directed at me in this thread by other people because I don't let my politics make my opinons up for me. So I guess there is a pod of assholes circulating in the area. Quoted post [/b] meh, you're just another person to me. viva la revoltuion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CACashRefund Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 thats taken out of context in that video its the only video pictured where its not him just sitting in front of a camera talking, in the suposedly fake video, theres a couple of guys sitting around shooting the shit. also as i said in another thread in reference to the bin laden tape the new one that came out, if it was a fake, dont you think somebody in al qaeda would have called it out as one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 That's because its not fake. His voice has already been authenticated, what is debatable is if he died last spring (from massive organ failure like suggested) and Al Jazeera, being the objective bi-partisan media source they are, held on to the recording until such an occasion like the recent air strikes to make Al Qaeda appear to be as virulent as ever. Then again, some people would argue bin Laden's existence at all, maybe the CIA made him from body parts of dead aliens and cuban revolutionaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Yes, an air strike are much worse than anything else that has happened in the past year in Iraq. I agree! right now it makes much more sense than it would have any other time... Al Jazeera has respect across the middle east and Muslim world because all of the middle east and Muslims are manipulative, war hungry animals. They have no journalistic ethics and barely report what white house spokes person Scott Mcclellan had to say about the gay families planning on attending the Easter egg roll at the white house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Birch Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 mmmmmmmmmm egg rolls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 :love2: King Bling, in terms of destruction or loss of human life, it isn't much compared to several incidents in Iraq. Thats not the point. This time, WE did the killing(EDIT to clarify, by " we did the killing" I meant hitting top AQ people, not "killing poor innocent people" like the poorly done one-sided "documentaries"). Can you name a time when we made a strike in a safe haven for Al Qaeda, nearly missed a top figure like Zawahiri, and killed several top figures since last spring when bin Laden supposedly died? Or for that matter, since Afghanistan in the fall of 01? "Al Jazeera has respect across the middle east and Muslim world because all of the middle east and Muslims are manipulative, war hungry animals. They have no journalistic ethics and barely report what white house spokes person Scott Mcclellan had to say about the gay families planning on attending the Easter egg roll at the white house!" Thats where you and I differ. I think Al Jazeera is excellent and produces unbiased broadcasting, even though they have direct ties with terrorist organizations and push stories sympathetic to that cause above all else. I mean, they don't follow the whitehouse press releases, so that means it MUST be good. Its just sound logic. Scott McClellan is a funny guy, you must watch the daily show alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by KING BLING@Jan 21 2006, 09:11 PM Al Jazeera has respect across the middle east and Muslim world because all of the middle east and Muslims are manipulative, war hungry animals. Quoted post This might be a good time to suggest researching Wahhabism. Jihad is currently believed to be the pinnacle of Islam. Some will argue Jihad is simply a metaphor, stating to believe in Alaah until death, but part two of this equasion is the belief that any religion that cant make commitment to jihad are infidels and unworthy of living. So even if Jihad is simply considered a metaphor by the masses, which I think is more bullshit since you hear all the time religious leaders screaming out to the public to cut off Jews heads, it's still the core of all antisemitism. What bothers me is the ammount of Americans converting to Islam, and Muslim's supposed to be the fastest growing religion within American prisions. Al Jazeera was also mainly the reason we believe Al Qaeda was responsible for 911. Osama Bin Laden used Al Jazeera for his media tank claiming responsibility for 911, however many people in the CIA still believe Al Qaeda was only one of many groups who worked together and simply used Al Qaeda to call in who dun it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I like this post better. stop it with that shit already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 This nigga dun got up and eggrolled tha whole thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Birch Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think al-jazeera (sic) is biased, but I think all media is. Noam Chomsky's "Understanding Media" really influenced my thinking on this. irregardless if its slanted, nonetheless you get a diffrent perspective on the issues and thats good. I wish we could get al jazeera world or something on cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Edit: I don't want to have random discussions which are basicly insults with opinion thrown in... I don't believe that the path to peace and justice lies in bombing villages and cities killing multiple civilians in attempts to get a few enemies, Vietnam taught us tthis and it is being reinforced in our current wars. I don't believe the government should spy on people without due course, I base this on the constitution and on common sense. I don't beleive we can acuse one form of media as being corrupt or biased while we have FAUX news, media and military relationships in war and the New York times having published Judith Miller... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_vagina Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 i think al qaeda is a cia front. i think bin laden is a patsy/operative. i think all the big noise over bin ladens "new tape" is an attempt to raise bush's approval ratings. i know for a fact that we ahve the tech to 'fake' a voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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