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Originally posted by Jack McCoy+Dec 7 2005, 01:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jack McCoy - Dec 7 2005, 01:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>This guy wasn't even born Hasidic, it screams gimmick!

 

Oh, and I also hear he fucks his groupies through a sheet.

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Idiot.

 

Originally posted by PushbuttonWarfare@Dec 7 2005, 02:28 PM

I saw a commercial for him and all I could think was Minister Farrakhan's argument for jews stealing from blacks just got 100x more ammo.

 

i just read up on him and he is hardly a man of unquestionable character

 

On October 24, 1989, at the J.W. Marriott Hotel in Washington, DC., Louis Farrakhan stated that he had a vision of being abducted in 1985 by an invisible pilot in a UFO and carried up on a beam of light to a "human built planet" known as the "Mother Wheel." There the voice of Elijah Muhammad informed him that the president and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, under the direction of Gen. Colin Powell, were planning a war, which Farrakhan said he later came to realize was "a war against the black people of America, the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan." "I saw a city in the sky," Farrakhan said, after which the UFO "brought me back to Earth and dropped me off near Washington; over to Tyson Corners and Fifth Street I think...to make The Announcement."

 

 

 

Originally posted by nuyorican@Dec 7 2005, 03:34 PM

FREE PALESTINE !!

FUCK ISRAEL!!

 

There would have had to have been something before hand that was captured to make it something that could be freed.

 

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seeks/fucking israel since '03

 

Israel called. She said you havent paid child support since 2003 and she says she wants you to stop spreading rumors. It was one time, and she was drunk.

 

Anti-semetic bitches. Go find someone elses jock to hang off of.

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The Palestine problem became an international issue towards the end of the First World War with the disintegration of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Palestine was among the several former Ottoman Arab territories which were placed under the administration of Great Britain under the Mandates System adopted by the League of Nations pursuant to the League's Covenant (Article 22) .

 

All but one of these Mandated Territories became fully independent States, as anticipated. The exception was Palestine where, instead of being limited to "the rendering of administrative assistance and advice" the Mandate had as a primary objective the implementation of the "Balfour Declaration" issued by the British Government in 1917, expressing support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

 

During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after World War II. Great Britain tried to implement various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, Great Britain in frustration turned the problem over to the United Nations.

 

See also the study: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part I

 

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The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

 

1947-1977

 

 

After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947). One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.

 

In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.

 

In 1974, the General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, national independence and sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. The General Assembly conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in other international conferences held under United Nations auspices.

 

See also the study: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part II

 

The map collection

The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

 

1977-1990

Events on the ground, however, remained on a negative course. In June 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon with the declared intention to eliminate the PLO. A cease-fire was arranged. PLO troops withdrew from Beirut and were transferred to neighboring countries after guarantees of safety were provided for thousands of Palestinian refugees left behind. Subsequently, a large-scale massacre of refugees took place in the camps of Sabra and Shatila.

 

In September 1983, the International Conference on the Question of Palestine, which was widely attended, adopted inter alia the Geneva Declaration containing the following principles: the need to oppose and reject the establishment of settlements in the occupied territory and actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, the right of all States in the region to existence within secure and internationally recognized boundaries, with justice and security for all the people, and the attainment of the legitimate, inalienable rights of the Palestinian people.

 

In December 1987, a mass uprising against the Israeli occupation began in the occupied Palestinian territory (the intifadah). Methods used by the Israeli forces during the uprising resulted in mass injuries and heavy loss of life among the civilian Palestinian population.

 

See also the study: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part III Part IV

 

The map collection

The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

 

The Peace Process

A Peace Conference on the Middle East was convened in Madrid on 30 October 1991, with the aim of achieving a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement through direct negotiations along 2 tracks: between Israel and the Arab States, and between Israel and the Palestinians, based on Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973) (the "land for peace" formula). A series of subsequent negotiations culminated in the mutual recognition between the Government of the State of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian People, and the signing by the two parties of the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements in Washington, D.C., on 13 September 1993, as well as the subsequent implementation agreements, which led to several other positive developments, such as the partial withdrawal of Israeli forces, the elections to the Palestinian Council and the presidency of the Palestinian Authority, the partial release of prisoners and the establishment of a functioning administration in the areas under Palestinian self-rule. The involvement of the United Nations has been essential to the peace process, both as the guardian of international legitimacy and in the mobilization and provision of international assistance

 

 

....straight from the united nations website.

 

in brief, Palestine is a country that is militarily occupied by "israel". thats it

 

 

FUCK ISRAEL!!

 

 

FREE PALESTINE!!!

 

un.org

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Originally posted by Spike+Dec 7 2005, 08:55 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Spike - Dec 7 2005, 08:55 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MAR@Dec 8 2005, 12:20 AM

There would have had to have been something before hand that was captured to make it something that could be freed.

 

Seriously

 

Go read up on the creation of the country we now know as Israel

 

Then come back, and retract your statement

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looks like you have some reading to do, because if you think that Israel is a "palestinian" state, if there is such a people, then your reading revisionist history.

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Sadly the UN report you read leaves out facts assuming that you know them already, which clearly you dont.. my responces are the ones inbetween in bold.

 

 

The Palestine problem became an international issue towards the end of the First World War with the disintegration of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Palestine was among the several former Ottoman Arab territories which were placed under the administration of Great Britain under the Mandates System adopted by the League of Nations pursuant to the League's Covenant (Article 22) .

 

There was a sizable Jewish community in Israel at all times but the first major aliyah happened in 1880 ~40 year before the loss of the territory to the british.

 

All but one of these Mandated Territories became fully independent States, as anticipated. The exception was Palestine where, instead of being limited to "the rendering of administrative assistance and advice" the Mandate had as a primary objective the implementation of the "Balfour Declaration" issued by the British Government in 1917, expressing support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

 

During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after World War II. Great Britain tried to implement various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, Great Britain in frustration turned the problem over to the United Nations.

 

In an effort to come to a peaceful agreement the british split the land known as palistine at the time, named by the romans after the biblical philistines, who have nothing to do with the people known as palistinians today, the British split the land into palistine and trans-jordan (now known as jordan). Trans-Jordan was for the semetic gentiles and the Jewish part of the land was now became a fraction of the size. This plan didnt really work and they turned the work over to the UN.

 

After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947).

 

The plan was accepted by the Jewish state but rejected by the arab state. In 1948 on the day Israel declaired its independence Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon all declaired war on the state no larger than new jersy with an army sadder than canadas and lost. In their victory, Israel expanded to occupy the majority of the land formerly promised to them by the british (post white paper).

 

One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.

 

this load is explained above

 

 

In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.

 

Great explination on '67 war <----click here

 

In 1974, the General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, national independence and sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. The General Assembly conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in other international conferences held under United Nations auspices.

 

 

Israel rejects this policy.

 

 

1977-1990

Events on the ground, however, remained on a negative course. In June 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon with the declared intention to eliminate the PLO. A cease-fire was arranged. PLO troops withdrew from Beirut and were transferred to neighboring countries after guarantees of safety were provided for thousands of Palestinian refugees left behind. Subsequently, a large-scale massacre of refugees took place in the camps of Sabra and Shatila.

 

The Lebanese (arabs) hate the Palestinians more than the Israelies read about the massacrehere

 

In September 1983, the International Conference on the Question of Palestine, which was widely attended, adopted inter alia the Geneva Declaration containing the following principles: the need to oppose and reject the establishment of settlements in the occupied territory and actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, the right of all States in the region to existence within secure and internationally recognized boundaries, with justice and security for all the people, and the attainment of the legitimate, inalienable rights of the Palestinian people.

 

More of the same UN bullcrap. Israel why should Israel not be allowed to build settlements in its own country?

 

In December 1987, a mass uprising against the Israeli occupation began in the occupied Palestinian territory (the intifadah). Methods used by the Israeli forces during the uprising resulted in mass injuries and heavy loss of life among the civilian Palestinian population.

 

Suicide bombings killed many Israeli civilians but this report fails to mention that. It is obviously biased.

 

 

The Peace Process

A Peace Conference on the Middle East was convened in Madrid on 30 October 1991, with the aim of achieving a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement through direct negotiations along 2 tracks: between Israel and the Arab States, and between Israel and the Palestinians, based on Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973) (the "land for peace" formula). A series of subsequent negotiations culminated in the mutual recognition between the Government of the State of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian People, and the signing by the two parties of the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements in Washington, D.C., on 13 September 1993, as well as the subsequent implementation agreements, which led to several other positive developments, such as the partial withdrawal of Israeli forces, the elections to the Palestinian Council and the presidency of the Palestinian Authority, the partial release of prisoners and the establishment of a functioning administration in the areas under Palestinian self-rule. The involvement of the United Nations has been essential to the peace process, both as the guardian of international legitimacy and in the mobilization and provision of international assistance

 

It was a nice idea but for it to work the palestinian people would have to rise up against their corrupt puppet government and establish a peaceful state.

 

I am pro peace but I do not trust the current Palestinian government or the former for that matter. With good reason of course both are run by known leaders of fatah, an arab terrorist organisation.

 

please excuse my spelling errors.

 

in brief, Palestine is a country that is militarily occupied by "israel". thats it

 

 

In breif, your last statement is false. I hope I helped and that you read this as I spent a fair amount of time writing it.

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