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Oh shit, really? because those guys where iraqi EPW's for sure...

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Originally posted by SF1@Dec 3 2005, 12:53 PM

The Cubans that got slaughtered at the Bay of Pigs were Terrorists?

 

if you are refering to the cubans who were mercenaries funded by the US government to invade cuba, then yes, they were terrorists.

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Originally posted by SF1+Nov 9 2005, 11:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SF1 - Nov 9 2005, 11:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-KaBar2@Nov 9 2005, 08:59 AM

 

The fact that you condone this like it's ok to just storm a town and kill every single thing in sight, man woman and child, old and young, threat or not... shows what an evil fucking douchebag you are.

They call terrorists "cowards" for doing exactly this, and they don't have the support of body armor, tanks, state of the art equipment, an entire batalian right behind them. They also don't have the luxury of sending lazer guided bombs from miles away... therefore they usually have to sacrafice themselves in order to kill others.

If the Terrorists are "cowards" than what does that make you and your beloved Marine Corps?

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Yeah...the terrorists are such great freedom fighters....

 

Sure, let's just decapitate non-combatents on television.

 

SF1, you remind me a lot of that evil little bastard from Chuck palanhuiks Lullaby.....using a cause to excuse and subsequently forward your own little psychoptic agenda.

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You guys are just retarted, how difficult is it to understand that A) The USarmy has no reason to be iraq B)That this war started by ignoring every other international authority and C) that people who deserve their country, outgunned have to use every possible way to do so. What do you expect them to do, pull their pants down and bend over?

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The us army has every reason to be in iraq, we want its fucking oil. Do you not understand what war and politics is?War is basically a continuatoon of political policy by other means, our political policy is to protect our interests and oil is one of those interests.

 

And its one thing to resist occupiers, its another matter altogether to kidnap innocent non combatants and behead them, bomb markets and shit.

 

 

 

*In the spirit of crossfire id like to point out you spelled retarded wrong.

 

"retart"

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^likewise you must not understand just war theory and international law

and treaties related to war. the US invaded, thereby negating any sort

of authority to morals and what you can reasonably deem 'right' war

conduct and 'wrong' war conduct. also convenient to solely blame the

'terrorists' and not the impetus. you've heard the term 'flytrap' right?

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Originally posted by POIESIS@Dec 3 2005, 03:48 PM

^likewise you must not understand just war theory and international law

and treaties related to war. the US invaded, thereby negating any sort

of authority to morals and what you can reasonably deem 'right' war

conduct and 'wrong' war conduct. also convenient to solely blame the

'terrorists' and not the impetus. you've heard the term 'flytrap' right?

 

 

What he said, also adding another one 'in the spirit' of crossfire, English is my second language. How many do you speak?

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Originally posted by LENS+Dec 3 2005, 06:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LENS - Dec 3 2005, 06:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by SF1@Nov 9 2005, 11:57 PM

<!--QuoteBegin-KaBar2@Nov 9 2005, 08:59 AM

 

The fact that you condone this like it's ok to just storm a town and kill every single thing in sight, man woman and child, old and young, threat or not... shows what an evil fucking douchebag you are.

They call terrorists "cowards" for doing exactly this, and they don't have the support of body armor, tanks, state of the art equipment, an entire batalian right behind them. They also don't have the luxury of sending lazer guided bombs from miles away... therefore they usually have to sacrafice themselves in order to kill others.

If the Terrorists are "cowards" than what does that make you and your beloved Marine Corps?

 

Yeah...the terrorists are such great freedom fighters....

 

Sure, let's just decapitate non-combatents on television.

 

SF1, you remind me a lot of that evil little bastard from Chuck palanhuiks Lullaby.....using a cause to excuse and subsequently forward your own little psychoptic agenda.

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Terrorists highjack plains, terrorists go to other countries and sneak into crowds and blow up innocent people minding their own buisiness for the sake of making a political point.

These niggas running around with AK47's fighting the U.S. military in Iraq are Guerrillas fighting to defend their people from a foreign invasion, not terrorists. Get your head out your ass.

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Originally posted by tsuifuku+Dec 3 2005, 06:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tsuifuku - Dec 3 2005, 06:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-SF1@Dec 3 2005, 12:53 PM

The Cubans that got slaughtered at the Bay of Pigs were Terrorists?

 

if you are refering to the cubans who were mercenaries funded by the US government to invade cuba, then yes, they were terrorists.

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You're right. That was a bad example.

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Tesseract (among others) seem to be relatively sympathetic to the 'freedom fighters' out there. "They are outgunned so they have to do what they have to do" definitely justifies killing hundreds of innocent civilians via the poor man's smart bomb, and pretending the insurgency is being waged by all Iraqis and not the muj.... solid reasoning.

 

There was a group of likeminded individuals driving around Iraq a week or so ago. They didn't spout off their opinions from the comfort of their homes though. No, these people went out and did something about it. Now, the poor disenfranchised Iraqis(no foreigners!), who were just doing every possible thing they could, are going to cut their heads off on Al Jazeera.

 

This means one thing- there is a job opening for you! You obviously have very strong opinions, and you now have the once of a lifetime opportunity to put your neck where your mouth is. Let me know how that goes for you.

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Originally posted by CACashRefund@Dec 3 2005, 07:23 PM

The us army has every reason to be in iraq, we want its fucking oil. Do you not understand what war and politics is?War is basically a continuatoon of political policy by other means, our political policy is to protect our interests and oil is one of those interests.

 

And its one thing to resist occupiers, its another matter altogether to kidnap innocent non combatants and behead them, bomb markets and shit.

 

 

 

*In the spirit of crossfire id like to point out you spelled retarded wrong.

 

"retart"

 

Any of them niggas that got decapitated got it because they went to Iraq while we were at war with Iraq. How the fuck you gonna go into a warzone in another country that your country is at war with and expect to be safe? Come on now. It's fucked up, but then it's also fucked up the amount of innocent civilians WE'RE murduring over there so how the fuck they suppose to feel sympathy for our people?

And I can't beleive that you actually condone taking out other countries just to loot their oil? :haha: The government makes up lies for excuses to go to war because even they know it's evil what they're doing. Oil is not in our "self interest" There's other options but the government is run by oil companies so they would rather sacrifice thousands of people (along with the health of the planet) looting other countries, than to go through the trouble of switching to something else.

 

*Also keeping in the tradition of Crossfire... what the fuck is a continuatoon??? :dunce:

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Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Dec 3 2005, 03:34 PM

Tesseract (among others) seem to be relatively sympathetic to the 'freedom fighters' out there. "They are outgunned so they have to do what they have to do" definitely justifies killing hundreds of innocent civilians via the poor man's smart bomb, and pretending the insurgency is being waged by all Iraqis and not the muj.... solid reasoning.

 

There was a group of likeminded individuals driving around Iraq a week or so ago. They didn't spout off their opinions from the comfort of their homes though. No, these people went out and did something about it. Now, the poor disenfranchised Iraqis(no foreigners!), who were just doing every possible thing they could, are going to cut their heads off on Al Jazeera.

 

This means one thing- there is a job opening for you! You obviously have very strong opinions, and you now have the once of a lifetime opportunity to put your neck where your mouth is. Let me know how that goes for you.

 

conversely you seem to think having the mightiest military in the world justifies killing thousands of innocents under false war aims. maybe you would agree it's been turned into a terrorist flytrap....maybe you think that's a good idea and maybe you think iraqi's should be thankful for that.

operative word, 'relatively'. as in the relativity of the situation dictates that the US invaded illegally with 'shock and awe'. from that i'm not sure what YOU would expect to happen, but as most analysts noted before the invasion it was a predictable outcome. call it sympathy if it fits your agenda i guess.

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Originally posted by BURLAP@Dec 3 2005, 08:21 PM

conversely you seem to think having the mightiest military in the world justifies killing thousands of innocents under false war aims. maybe you would agree it's been turned into a terrorist flytrap....maybe you think that's a good idea and maybe you think iraqi's should be thankful for that.

operative word, 'relatively'. as in the relativity of the situation dictates that the US invaded illegally with 'shock and awe'. from that i'm not sure what YOU would expect to happen, but as most analysts noted before the invasion it was a predictable outcome. call it sympathy if it fits your agenda i guess.

 

Wow, all of those big words totally validate your point. But please allow me to make a rebuttal, professor.

 

I never stated that the invasion of Iraq was at all legal. It was obviously fucking idiotic, not to mention we had multiple opportunities to have Saddam overthrown by various military officers, the kurds, in coups. But we didn't and now we are there, with no simple way out.

 

My main point was how disgusting it is when people try to justify what the insurgency does by saying 'the invasion is illegal' and pretending there isn't a large amount of attacks being carried out by foreign fighters. Nothing justifies killing hundreds of civilians in suicide bomb attacks, or cutting peace activist's heads off on TV. Don't call them "freedom fighters" or even imply that. They are fighting to instate another Iran/Afghanistan where you get executed because you have the audacity to think for yourself and 9 year old girls become wives to old men. That is not freedom in the loosest interpretation of the word.

 

Speaking of "predictable", I can't say i'm suprised someone had to put words in my mouth to make an argument. And feel free to actually look up the numbers of how many people were ACCIDENTALLY killed in US bomb strikes, and how many were DELIBERATELY killed by the wonderful Iraqi freedom opposition forces of awesomenity.

 

...I wonder how long it will be before I see kids with Zarqawi t-shirts like the "Che Guerra" shirts on college campuses.

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i'm very unsure where somebody put words in YOUR mouth, unless you don't understand the phrase 'seem to think'.

anyhow, if you'd like to discuss things as an adult you can start by dropping the sarcastic comments about how i used 'big words' and bullshit like 'professor'.

otherwise you can be a dick and keep sparring with your friend sf1.

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Ok stereotype, i wont call them anything. I will describe them and you can make up a term for them. They are people who oppose against the illegal invasion in their country. Do your best.

 

Also, about your putting your neck where your mouth is comment, i aint american and i aint an iraqi, this is not my mess to clean up although i have a very strong opinion about it as you said. I supose you are american though so it makes much more sense for you to go fight this beautifull war.

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...I wonder how long it will be before I see kids with Zarqawi t-shirts like the "Che Guerra" shirts on college campuses.

 

 

Go to new york and check out all the cats rocking turbans and those palestinian scarves (ghutras) in their gear....non muslims..

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Originally posted by BURLAP@Dec 3 2005, 11:04 PM

i'm very unsure where somebody put words in YOUR mouth, unless you don't understand the phrase 'seem to think'.

anyhow, if you'd like to discuss things as an adult you can start by dropping the sarcastic comments about how i used 'big words' and bullshit like 'professor'.

otherwise you can be a dick and keep sparring with your friend sf1.

 

--For two consecutive posts, you have managed to avoid responding to any of the points I made. I guess under the regurgitated cable news talking points, and words you pulled out of your highschool vocab book, you have no argument. But can you go for a third post... or did pointing out the use of your large, complicated words really injure that bloated ego too much? Suck it up big guy!

 

Tesseract, that is a pretty shitty excuse. I believe only one of the peace activists was/is American. And since they are only people who opposed an illegal war, it is pretty clear you feel for their cause. So, forget being a peace activist, why not fight back against the American oppressors? A Belgian woman tried to take out a convoy of Americans a week or two ago. She missed, and only managed to spray anyone in the immediate area with a warm shower of what used to be (what I can only assume) was one fine piece of ass. But fuck damnit, she had some heart.

 

You don't have to make any more excuses. Although you love jumping on the bandwagon, and pretending the insurgents never really do anything so terrible and they are in the moral right- you would never put your delicate ass in harms way. You have said that much already..its unfortunate though. You could have told the noble freedom fighters how great they are first hand. I'm sure they would have loved you.

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"Go to new york and check out all the cats rocking turbans and those palestinian scarves (ghutras) in their gear....non muslims.. "

 

I'm going to start wearing a yamaka...those things are stylish.

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The point is that it doesn't matter how dirty they fight because they are in the right defending their country from an invading military. They can fight as dirty as they have to... we're sure as fuck fighting dirty with our military supremecy with lazer guided bombs and shit and massacreing innocent civilians. How the fuck you gonna bitch about them figting dirty when it's the only means they have of defending themselves?

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Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Dec 4 2005, 12:06 PM

Tesseract, that is a pretty shitty excuse. I believe only one of the peace activists was/is American. And since they are only people who opposed an illegal war, it is pretty clear you feel for their cause. So, forget being a peace activist, why not fight back against the American oppressors? A Belgian woman tried to take out a convoy of Americans a week or two ago. She missed, and only managed to spray anyone in the immediate area with a warm shower of what used to be (what I can only assume) was one fine piece of ass. But fuck damnit, she had some heart.

 

You don't have to make any more excuses. Although you love jumping on the bandwagon, and pretending the insurgents never really do anything so terrible and they are in the moral right- you would never put your delicate ass in harms way. You have said that much already..its unfortunate though. You could have told the noble freedom fighters how great they are first hand. I'm sure they would have loved you.

 

:rolleyes:

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