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*More Republican Cannon Fodder curtsey of my mom and....

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Today Tom DeLay's House of Scandal took a wrecking ball as he was indicted in Texas for - what else - criminal conspiracy related to illegal corporate fundraising.

 

Tom DeLay, the most powerful Republican the House has ever seen, is under indictment. Senate Leader Bill Frist and White House mastermind Karl Rove are likewise mired in federal investigations.

 

But Tom DeLay and Bill Frist are not alone in their shady style of governing - it is a systemic problem in the Republican Party that goes far beyond these two men. Tom DeLay's hardnosed influence peddling has permeated the Republican money machine, from the top strategists and committees to the lowliest backbenchers in the Congress. This is the Party that is deciding the fate of the country we love. We cannot allow it to continue.

 

Nothing could have highlighted better the reasons for the DCCC's Campaign for Change. The poetic justice of DeLay being indicted on the very anniversary of the self-righteous Contract with America will go down in history as one of the most spectacular falls in American politics, and the closing chapter in the so-called "Republican Revolution."

 

The days of selling out the American people to big oil and the pharmaceutical industry must end. It is time for a new day, a wholesale change in the House of Representatives. America need not waste its time, resources, and treasure on this culture of corruption any longer.

 

The DCCC is focused on ousting Tom DeLay and his cronies. We told you about Tom DeLay's scandals and super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff, known as "Director of Travel for DeLay Inc." We launched our House of Scandal website, and we have been relentless in exposing every Member of Congress tied to DeLay. We are not going to rest.

 

We must put Democrats in the majority to put an end to this corruption once and for all. A strong showing at the end of the quarter will prove to the Republicans that we have the resources to hold them accountable. Make your contribution today and I will personally see to it that every dollar goes to exposing Republicans for their betrayal of America's trust:

 

Under House rules, Tom DeLay DOES NOT have to resign as a Member of Congress. Under the rules of the GOP conference, he ONLY has to step down from his leadership post while under indictment.

 

This means it is up to us -- you, me and the DCCC -- to make sure Tom DeLay does not keep his seat. We need to defeat him and his cronies in 2006.

 

With the indictment of DeLay, the "Republican Revolution" and their precious "Contract with America" are exposed as frauds. The whole Republican system of pay-to-play politics and lobbyist-driven legislating that DeLay put into place, benefiting the special interests at the expense of average families and our country. Until that system is dismantled and the "people's House" is returned to the people, Congress will not address the challenges and concerns facing families across our nation.

 

We need to bring a permanent end to DeLay's House of Scandal. We need leadership that will work for the American people and not the special interests like the oil and gas industries and the big drug and insurance companies.

 

We will work with you to take the Democratic message into every corner of the country, and make sure Republicans' constituents know that their representatives have been serving the interests of an indicted, entrenched influence-peddler instead of their own.

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Blah, blah, blah. Partisan yammer. Plenty of Democrats have been indicted and convicted of similar crap. DeLay should know better than to do shit that is against the rules. When they get a lot of power, they start thinking that they are too powerful for anybody to dare charge them with anything.

 

The way that the Dems held control of the Congress for forty years is EXACTLY the same method that the Republicans used. As long as the Democrat Party had a conservative wing, the Southerners voted solidly Democratic, and they "gerrymandered" the Republicans out of existance. When the Democratic Party was taken over by minorities and socialists in the 1960's, the conservatives decamped to the Republican Party. "Oops." That was a little Democrat mistake, eh? Now the Republicans are (barely) in power and they are making the Democrats squeal. In retaliation, Ronnie Earle indicts DeLay on this petty bullshit. When it gets to a courtroom, Earle better have some very solid evidence. Of course, DeLay's attorney is going to request a change of venue, away from Austin, because Austin is the Berkeley of Texas, and DeLay probably can't get a fair trial there. He will also move to suppress everything in sight.

It will be interesting to see if he beats it or not. Mind you, I don't doubt that he may have done it, but that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not Earle can get a conviction, in Texas. No doubt in Washington D.C. or New York, or in San Francisco or any other super-liberal, socialist/communist center, they would convict him in a flash.

 

I bet that they try to get it moved to Dallas. Houston is DeLay's home turf, that won't fly. Austin is prejudiced against him. They'll try for Dallas, and he'll be tried in San Antonio. That's my guess.

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Kabars only defence is "the Democrats do it too!".<-- :haha: :haha: What a laugh! First of all I ain't the biggest fan of the Democrats either but they are FAR from as corrupt as the republicans. You can't give one solid reason why delay and his cronies shouldn't get locked the fuck up for treason.

And you wanna talk about petty??? The republicans spent billions on trying to get Clinton impeached for getting his dick sucked! And you wanna talk about PETTY!?!? :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

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No, the Republicans tried to impeach Clinton for LYING TO CONGRESS about getting his dick sucked. There is a substantial difference. I always kind of wondered if Monica Lewinsky wasn't working for the Republicans the whole time, but I'm sure the Dems would have checked that out. Poor Clinton. So much available pussy, so little time. I can't really blame the guy, if I was married to Hillary "The Bitch" Rodham Clinton, I'd probably be out trying to get my dick sucked by 20-year-old interns too.

 

Too bad that we have no genuinely admirable, qualified candidates running for President. The choices we get are always empty suits.

 

I guess you guys will probably get a shot at electing Hillary next time around. If she runs, that is. And you needn't worry about that "A woman cannot be elected President" thing, because from all outward appearances, Hillary probably has a dick, so it shouldn't be a problem.

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Originally posted by KaBar2@Oct 2 2005, 01:47 AM

No, the Republicans tried to impeach Clinton for LYING TO CONGRESS about getting his dick sucked. There is a substantial difference. I always kind of wondered if Monica Lewinsky wasn't working for the Republicans the whole time, but I'm sure the Dems would have checked that out. Poor Clinton. So much available pussy, so little time. I can't really blame the guy, if I was married to Hillary "The Bitch" Rodham Clinton, I'd probably be out trying to get my dick sucked by 20-year-old interns too.

 

Too bad that we have no genuinely admirable, qualified candidates running for President. The choices we get are always empty suits.

 

Actually, Clinton was one of our greatest presidents to date.

As for lieing to Congress, and the American people (including his WIFE), what did you expect him to just fess up to cheating on his wife on national tellivision??? You stated that if Hilary was your wife that you would be taking advantage of silly 20 year old interns too. So what exactly was your point?

 

And what exactly does any of that have to do with how he ran the country? Apparently NOTHING because he did an outstanding job, unlike your butt-buddy Republican douchebag freinds that seem to be running America into the fucking ground!

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Yeah. cause lying to congress about a fairly moot and personal point pertaining to personal relations and job favors really is waaaaaaaay worse than breaking federal rules pertaining to the democratic process that concerns every man woman and child in america.

 

I'm still not convinced by people who say they met kabaar that he's not one of these individuals who gets hired now to go on popular web conversation boards and hopefully shift the mindsets of mostly disconcerned individuals. His usual methods of not entertaining points he'd fail on always reinforces my suspicions. He usually just whimsically comes in, throws out a bunch of disinformation, gives a fantastic "back when I was your age" story and replys mostly to the kids who don't debate well.

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Originally posted by PushbuttonWarfare@Oct 2 2005, 07:18 AM

Yeah. cause lying to congress about a fairly moot and personal point pertaining to personal relations and job favors really is waaaaaaaay worse than breaking federal rules pertaining to the democratic process that concerns every man woman and child in america.

 

I'm still not convinced by people who say they met kabaar that he's not one of these individuals who gets hired now to go on popular web conversation boards and hopefully shift the mindsets of mostly disconcerned individuals. His usual methods of not entertaining points he'd fail on always reinforces my suspicions. He usually just whimsically comes in, throws out a bunch of disinformation, gives a fantastic "back when I was your age" story and replys mostly to the kids who don't debate well.

 

 

 

This is what I been saying for a minute! Even if he did meet up with some 12oz heads it doesn't mean that he aint a Republican propoganda plant faking the funk collecting a paycheck to spew nonsense to young impressionable kids. I mean for gods sake someone posted a flick of him getting a hobo streak on a freight and it looked like it was his first time using a meanstreak. Not to mention I never seen a Kabar streak on a freight ever and those things last for decades.

 

And for real I never even heard anyone ever say that they had paid plants, it's just that it seems obviouse to me that they are deffinately on here and other boards and that's exactly how Kabar and a few others come across.

 

I called him out before and everyone thought I was calling him a cop and laughed at me. I wasn't calling him a cop, I'm just saying that I don't buy into his stories and I think he's full of shit.

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Originally posted by CACashRefund@Oct 3 2005, 12:08 AM

anyone who throws out a different opinion than you is always stupid or a cop...

 

and instead of debating their points you always want to bring that up

 

 

I never accused you of being a cop before you told me you were. I asked you if you were a cop because everytime someone has something negative to say about them you take it personal and jump to their deffense. You say shit along the lines of if you break the law then you deserve what you get.

We are graffiti writers on here! We break the law every fucking day. And we are naturally suspisciouse of people who look or act like cops. I can't see you but you sound like a cop from the way you swing from their nuts so hard at every chance. Real recognise real and I don't recognise you. You smell fishy. But instead of flat out accusing you I asked you why you sound like a cop? And you responded with "yeah I'm a cop" and trying to turn it around on me like I'm a joke for calling you out on it.

 

For all I know you aint a cop, just some non streetwise fool who for some reason has an affection toward the police and for some reason hangs out on a graffiti site even though he thinks it's wrong to break the law. But if you go around acting like a cop or talking like a cop then don't blame the guy on the "criminal" graffiti site that calls you out on it. Blame yourself for talking like a cop and for confessing to being one whether you were joking or not. If it was on the street either people just straight wouldn't fuck with you cause they think you're a cop, or you'd get worked.

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Originally posted by SF1+Oct 2 2005, 06:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SF1 - Oct 2 2005, 06:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I never accused you of being a cop before you told me you were. I asked you if you were a cop because everytime someone has something negative to say about them you take it personal and jump to their deffense. You say shit along the lines of if you break the law then you deserve what you get.[/b]

 

I dont get personal.

Ever hear of speaking in favor of a different point of view for arguments sake?

 

Maybe i should jump on the bandwagon

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Originally posted by SF1@Oct 2 2005, 06:59 PM

Real recognise real and I don't recognise you.

 

Who are you again?

 

 

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You smell fishy. But instead of flat out accusing you I asked you why you sound like a cop? And you responded with "yeah I'm a cop" and trying to turn it around on me like I'm a joke for calling you out on it.

 

you are a joke

respond with whatever you want im not gonna bother with another thread jack.

 

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So...it looks like dude has definitely been involved in something illegal (I really doubt anyone would make these allegations up) ...why can't the right wing just accept that he might be guilty of very very serious crimes? Why is it automaticaly a partisan issue...if the situation was reversed would the right wing be screaming "See how corrupt the democrats are."

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Originally posted by hobo knife@Oct 5 2005, 02:03 PM

So...it looks like dude has definitely been involved in something illegal (I really doubt anyone would make these allegations up) ...why can't the right wing just accept that he might be guilty of very very serious crimes? Why is it automaticaly a partisan issue...if the situation was reversed would the right wing be screaming "See how corrupt the democrats are."

 

Because the Republicans don't give a shit whether he's guilty or not, any more than the Democrats cared whether or not the Clintons were guilty of anything during the Starr investigations. Nobody on either side gives a shit about the law, it's about OBTAINING AND EXERCISING POLITICAL POWER. Guys like DeLay have very powerful friends, especially in Texas, and they have very long memories. You can bet your ass that they are planning to have Earle's political head on a pike one way or another. The most likely plan is to give strong support to another Democrat to unseat Earle. They will probably give money to a Democratic kingmaker who has better sense than to indict the most powerful Republican in Congress on some petty-ass bullshit like this. The kingmaker will then support some well-known Austin attorney with impeccable Democratic credentials who can run against Earle and win. A woman attorney perhaps, or a black attorney. There are plenty of Texas Democrats who and angry about Earle upsetting the applecart. With DeLay in power, it is raining pork on Texas. That puts money in everybody's pocket, Democrat and Republican alike. They all talk a good game about idealism, blah, blah, blah but the bottom line is money and power.

 

And by the way, SF1, what makes you think that you are qualified to decide whether or not somebody else on this forum is a "plant," or a "cop" or anything else? Can you not realize that thegenuine plants and undercover cops would be ADVOCATING THE COMMISSION OF CRIMES, and not the reverse? You don't need to worry about people who say "don't break the Law." You need to worry about people who try to convince you that breaking the Law is just peachy.

 

I hope just a few of the guys on here listen to what I've got to say. Obviously, you won't, and that's just fine with me. But there are other people on here who would prefer to have a life free of problems with the police, drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc. Maybe you don't want that, but what is your problem with other people avoiding all that shit? You don't like Republicans and the Republican viewpoint of the world--great. Be our guest, just be as oppositional as you please. You have a right to your opinions, and SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE. You have no corner on what is best for everybody else, any more than I do.

 

I try to avoid ad hominem attacks. When I have nothing good to say, I try to avoid saying much of anything. I'm sorry that you cannot emerge victorious from every argument. I'm sure it's frustrating for you. Kindly try to refrain from accusing others of things of which you have absolutely no proof. It's silly, and borders on the ridiculous. I have met with several people from 12 oz., all of whom approached me. I enjoyed meeting them, and did my best to show them what they wanted to know.

 

I do not streak many cars, usually only cars I have ridden. Boxcars, I usually streak inside. I'm sorry you are disappointed in not being able to find any cars I've streaked, and even more sorry that you do not care for my technique. That's life. I guess I'll just have to live with it.

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Originally posted by KaBar2@Sep 28 2005, 12:48 PM

Well, they had to scratch through a ton of paperwork, but the Democrats finally figured out a way to unseat Tom DeLay from the leadership of the Republican majority in the House of Representatives, at least temporarily. His crime? That he "conspired" with members of the Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee to make $190,000 worth of campaign contributions to Texas candidates after the 60-day cut-off before an election. Oh goodness gracious! The Republic is in peril! Like the Democrats never made campaign contributions that smelled a little ripe.

 

LAME ASS WHINERS. The Democrats rammed their liberal shit down our throats for FORTY YEARS, but whine like little babies when the Republicans are in the catbird seat. We should check the list of Travis County grand jurors to make sure none of them reside in a Travis County cemetary, that's the usual Democratic trick down here with "registered voters." (Dead Texans seem to always vote Democratic.)

 

Oh, well. National politics is hardball. DeLay is a big boy. "Let the games begin."

 

well, you're right, unfortunately politics revolve around power and money. (not democracy, voting, justice, equality, freedom, liberty or anything else) But at the beginning of this thread you're spewing out rhetoric as if one party (republican) is not as guilty as the other. When in reality, in the case at hand, it is the republicans who are guilty. So what you're doing here with this thread is just continuing a retarded fucking cycle of name calling. But then later on (after the spin of the media has died down and you're not constantly exposed to the rhetoric you were regurgitating a couple weeks ago) you come to the conclusion that it's just politics as usual.

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Originally posted by KaBar2@Oct 11 2005, 07:05 AM

And by the way, SF1, what makes you think that you are qualified to decide whether or not somebody else on this forum is a "plant," or a "cop" or anything else?  Can you not realize that thegenuine plants and undercover cops would be ADVOCATING THE COMMISSION OF CRIMES, and not the reverse?  You don't need to worry about people who say "don't break the Law."  You need to worry about people who try to convince you that breaking the Law is just peachy.

 

Pretty much what you're doing. You're saying that it's ok for the Republicans to not only break the law but to actually commit treason, whatever they have to do to steal power. Right?

 

You sound confused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and my common sense along with the first ammendment (which you fuckwads haven't fully supressed yet) qualifies me to speak on the obvious.

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Originally posted by KaBar2@Sep 28 2005, 12:48 PM

We should check the list of Travis County grand jurors to make sure none of them reside in a Travis County cemetary, that's the usual Democratic trick down here with "registered voters."  (Dead Texans seem to always vote Democratic.)

 

And whoever is responsible for that should be charged with voter fraud and treason. And so should the Republicans that fix the voter machines and "deliver" the republican vote. And so should the Republicans and cops that shut down voting locations in black and other democratic districts. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by KaBar2@Oct 12 2005, 07:53 AM

SF 1, if you want to give vast quantities of corporate or labor union money to Democratic candidates in violation of Texas state elections laws, I say "Go right ahead." Cool with me. I won't tell.

 

I aint giving money to nobody. What are you talking about?

 

How can you bash the Democrats for being corrupt while in the same breath praising the Republicans???

That's the same as supporting the Talliban to overthrow some Middle East country because the Middle East country has been known to harbor terrorists.

The Republicans are the Gods of corruption. They're so filthy and beyond corrupt that they border on treason.

 

You contradict yourself. You make no sense.

I think you need to take your meds Kabar. :nut:

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democrats make me want to puke with their phoney shit.

at least republicans are straight out criminals and make no

bones about it. democrats prance around in tutu's like they own the

moral high ground while doing lawless things themselves and being

complete pushover's for the republican's crime spree agenda.

it's dispicable. both parties need to go huff some anthrax.

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