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GRAFFITI VANDAL HUNTED IN THREAT VS. QUEENS POL

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http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/27192.htm

 

August 18, 2005 -- Cops are searching for a graffiti vandal suspected of threatening a Queens councilman, The Post has learned.

Sources said a man identifying himself as Cope2, Fernando Carlo's tag name, called Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. and left a message filled with expletives and an ominous warning:

 

"We don't live forever."

 

The message also said, "I don't care, send the cops."

 

"This comes with the territory," Vallone said.

 

"Anyone who would destroy property is a criminal, not an artist."

 

Police sources said cops are trying to confirm whether Carlos, who has been arrested 10 times for harassment and once for assault, was the person who made the call.

 

Vallone has been vocal in trying to stop Marc Ecko Enterprises from holding a block party in Chelsea this month. It would include 10 replica subway cars that graffiti writers, including Carlo, would paint.

 

Carlo was once paid $20,000 by Time magazine to paint graffiti on a billboard ad. Stephanie Gaskell

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20G's to do that Time billboard??!! WOW!!!!!

 

I guess he didn't get paid as much money because that councilman got them to take those fake trains down. If that's the case, I'd be pissed, too.

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So I'm assuming they're trying to arrest him for use of a tacky-ass cliche in the presence of a government employee? Because "we don't live forever" sounds like a pretty lame ass threat to be hunting someone down for...

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dude copes a fucking legend he came to colorado one time and wrecked the main street in the capital and was the only one succesfull of wrecking it with out being caught..

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Originally posted by ClueTwo@Aug 18 2005, 11:45 AM

I just hope he split the profit with the other 6-7(*8,9,10,11) writers on there..

 

 

He did his piece, which is absoultely ginormous (if people cant tell), then realized he had all this extra space. Made some calls and people really couldn't resist to come out and do spots on it.

 

He also painted 3 of those all with just krylon, exactly the same on each one, thus explaining the "its not so good" He didn't probably feel like having to paint a piece that normally takes 4 hours, 10 times bigger, 3 more times EXACTLY the same.

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He also painted 3 of those all with just krylon, exactly the same on each one, thus explaining the "its not so good" He didn't probably feel like having to paint a piece that normally takes 4 hours, 10 times bigger, 3 more times EXACTLY the same.

 

were all 3 put up ?

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I'm just suprised these guys couldn't rock it way harder than that..I mean come on gentlemen..

 

I've always followed the expression, "If you're going to do something, do it right."

 

I personally don't feel this was done "right"..That's me, and just to clear up the haters, you may feel differently than I do.

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the billboard is fine, i've got no complaints.

it's kinda cool with the extra throws on it

i'd also have gladly done one for zero cents regardless of who got paid.

 

but i'd be shocked if that thing is as big as a wholecar.

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Money is totally no object..I mean if anything it would have been rad if they paid for paint.

 

I know if I had 10-12 people I knew that would be one sick ass billboard.

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City Revokes Party Permit Over Exhibit With Graffiti

 

By JIM RUTENBERG

The city has revoked a permit awarded to organizers of a block party celebrating graffiti, saying it will not grant another one unless the group scraps plans to have graffiti writers spray paint murals onto models of New York City subway trains. The city acted hours after Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg criticized the plans yesterday.

 

The block party, scheduled for Aug. 24, was to be held on West 22nd Street by the fashion designer Marc Ecko to celebrate the upcoming release of the video game he designed for Atari, "Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure." The game features characters who vandalize a city called New Radius with graffiti in defiance of a corrupt and tyrannical local government.

 

Mr. Ecko was granted the permit on July 18, after months of talks with community leaders in Chelsea.

 

The city revoked the permit yesterday, the same day City Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. was quoted in The Daily News as saying the party was "promoting criminal acts."

 

In agreeing with the councilman, Mr. Bloomberg ventured into a traditionally tricky debate for mayors of a city that is considered a world art capital, namely: When does art cross the line, and when, if ever, should government intervene?

 

"Look, there is a fine line here between freedom of expression and going out and encouraging people to hurt this city," Mr. Bloomberg said during a visit to a senior citizens center in Queens yesterday. "Defacing subway cars is hardly a joke; encouraging people, kids in particular, to do that after all the money we've spent, all the time we've spent removing graffiti."

 

A few hours later, the mayor's Office of Community Affairs rescinded Mr. Ecko's permit. The office said it did so because Mr. Ecko had not explained that the event was to promote a video game, which would require a different permit than the one needed for an art exhibition.

 

The office invited Mr. Ecko to apply for a new permit, and Mr. Bloomberg implied that it would be approved if Mr. Ecko dropped the planned graffiti exhibit.

 

"We have talked to them and asked them to not have a subway car motif to write graffiti," Mr. Bloomberg said. "This is not really art or expression, this is, let's be honest about what it is: It's trying to encourage people to do something that's not in anybody's interest."

 

Clint Cantwell, a spokesman for Mr. Ecko, said Mr. Ecko would consider the request but also said he doubted that Mr. Ecko would agree to it. "We're still hoping to find a middle ground with them, but it's an uphill battle for us," he said, adding that the subway graffiti display was "really the heart of this exhibition, and it's celebrating the origins of graffiti in New York City, and that's the canvas we came up with."

 

He said that the organizers were upfront about the event, and that while they would continue to speak with the city, they were considering finding an alternate location for the event, possibly on private property.

 

"We're not going to fight City Hall," he said. "We're not going to win."

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There are factors at work here MUCH larger than the game and the billboard. Alot of you are missing this. This is not about whether or not graffiti is art or vandalism. Mr. Ecko got his permits legally and played it by the book, and the government is outright censoring him on the basis that they PERSONALLY dont "like" whats going on. The government does NOT stop either kkk or militant black groups from preaching messages of hate, and yet....theyre going to stop dudes painting on some plywood trains? Why is that? Because it fits their personal agendas. What goes on at that block party will not affect the amount of vandalism that gets done in this city in the short or long run. This is an outright attack on "freedom of expression". The majority of writers, especially NYC ones are going to just stay "thuggin" and not giving a shit about some "gay ass block party". Great. Stay ignorant. Sheep.

 

 

 

 

Behold a pale horse motherfuckers.

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Originally posted by Tyler Durden@Aug 18 2005, 12:34 PM

There are factors at work here MUCH larger than the game and the billboard. Alot of you are missing this. This is not about whether or not graffiti is art or vandalism. Mr. Ecko got his permits legally and played it by the book, and the government is outright censoring him on the basis that they PERSONALLY dont "like" whats going on. The government does NOT stop either kkk or militant black groups from preaching messages of hate, and yet....theyre going to stop dudes painting on some plywood trains? Why is that? Because it fits their personal agendas. What goes on at that block party will not affect the amount of vandalism that gets done in this city in the short or long run. This is an outright attack on "freedom of expression". The majority of writers, especially NYC ones are going to just stay "thuggin" and not giving a shit about some "gay ass block party". Great. Stay ignorant. Sheep.

 

 

 

 

Behold a pale horse motherfuckers.

 

Yep, this is going to do nothing but fuel the Free Oval, FUK Graff mentality. What's next? People getting arrested at 5 pointz for painting the permission walls there becuase it promotes vandalism in the city?

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like this would be the first time the government has stood in the way of a movement it "didn't like"

 

cmon, this isn't a sign of the apocalypse or anything, it's yet another example of our government doing whatever the fuck it wants...under the guise of doing 'what's best'

 

fuckin A.

we're graffiti writers.

we can go out and write if we want, i don't need no stinking permits

i don't care if graffiti has mass acceptance

and it doesn't bug me that the city is shutting it down.

if graffiti moves for world domination, like it has already started doing, it'll happen regardless of what laws and governments say.

 

don't forget, this is a a big publicity stunt for a graffiti "GAME"

produced by someone who has never made a rep in the scene

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I totally agree with Tyler's point

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg, they are chipping away at our civil liberties and getting us used to the idea more and more everday...wait until June 2008, the deadline for the inactment of the Real ID act, biometrics, RFID technology.. try purchasing paint with a criminal record for graffiti then..

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I see the appeal for the real writers to paint 'fauxcars'

but at the cost of promoting Mark Ecko? That would be a bitter pill.

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