gren1 bnc Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 all smart heads knock about around CROSSFIRE innit? edit: 400th post. :clown2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 yah...wicked smaaat kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by gren1 bnc@Aug 4 2005, 10:01 PM all smart heads knock about around CROSSFIRE innit? Quoted post Can anybody translate this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Time to bring out the british to english slangalacular dictionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Originally posted by smooth talker+Aug 3 2005, 02:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (smooth talker - Aug 3 2005, 02:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-SF1@Aug 2 2005, 07:11 PM Homeboy survived the notorious Brazilian police just to get offed by the pigs in London. :dozey: Quoted post THATS REAL SHIT..... KEEP ON LAUGHING FOOLS YOUR NEXT... [/b] Shit.... four deaths in sixteen years? Well, five in twenty six with this last one.... Why don't you stress about something really dangerous...... like being struck by lightning or eaten by a shark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Originally posted by Krakatau@Aug 7 2005, 06:59 AM Shit.... four deaths in sixteen years? Well, five in twenty six with this last one.... Why don't you stress about something really dangerous...... like being struck by lightning or eaten by a shark. Quoted post ...Or ending up with the same or even close to Americas statistics and considering it normal enough to laugh at another country for having fewer death by cop statistics... all because people were too lame-braind to say fuck that from the gate before the snowball rolled into an avalanche? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Aug 7 2005, 01:53 AM ...Or ending up with the same or even close to Americas statistics and considering it normal enough to laugh at another country for having fewer death by cop statistics... all because people were too lame-braind to say fuck that from the gate before the snowball rolled into an avalanche? :rolleyes: Quoted post Dull knife. Well, as a 'merken I was just humored by his statistics and "YOUR NEXT" (my next?) statement when considering how frequent an occurance it is over here. Nine times out of ten, I would say these situations could have been avoided by doing exactly what the cops are telling you to do. Granted, I haven't read every post here, so don't know about any 'specifics (or speculation)' regarding the originally posted incident. As far as I know or am interested, the guy ran and was shot as a result. Whatever. ...Hey, I wonder what the 'death by cop' rate is in other non-Western countries? I bet they leave us in the dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Yeah Kabar...err a I mean "Krakatou", he got executed for running. Running to catch a train before the doors closed. But the cops (who were tailing him for being brown) thought he was running to ditch them so they tackled him, held him down, put their guns to his head then executed him. And they were right in doing so because for all they knew he was a terrorist (even though he wasn't)??? Yeah man, that makes alot of sence. :dunce: :umm: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Aug 7 2005, 09:04 PM Yeah Kabar...err a I mean "Krakatou", he got executed for running. Running to catch a train before the doors closed. But the cops (who were tailing him for being brown) thought he was running to ditch them so they tackled him, held him down, put their guns to his head then executed him. And they were right in doing so because for all they knew he was a terrorist (even though he wasn't)??? Yeah man, that makes alot of sence. :dunce: :umm: :rolleyes: Quoted post Back off me, son. Go light a candle for his ass or something. Yes, I would argue that the police were right to kill him under the circumstances. I would agree with you that it is shitty some innocent guy lost his life, but what if things had played out differently? What if he was a terrorist, made it onto the train and escaped, and then killed a few hundred people in his free time? World isn't perfect man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 What if they shot at him but missed and he turned around and returned fire killing the pigs instead? Would you be calling for his head or would you agree that it was self defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Aug 7 2005, 09:45 PM What if they shot at him but missed and he turned around and returned fire killing the pigs instead? Would you be calling for his head or would you agree that it was self defense? Quoted post Can we call them cops or something? I feel like I'm talking to a fourteen year old. Or that kid with the anarchy shirt in the myspace thread. Alright: Innocent man returning fire to unidentified plain clothes = fine in my book. Now what was the point of that imagination exercise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 That the (cops) were in the wrong and should be locked the fuck up! Call it murder, call it manslaughter, whatever. The fact is that they can swear up and down all they want about how they "thought he was a terrorist", shit they can say they thought he was an alien cyborg from Mars sent to destroy Earth and they thought he had a plazma death ray under his jacket, the fact is that they were trigger happy PIGS that EXECUTED a dude for no clear reason and are criminally responsible for killing an inoscent man for no other reason than he was brown and wearing a jean jacket in the sumer. (you know, 70 degrees is most likely a cool temperature for someone that grew up in Brazil :rolleyes: ) Are we to expect the police to start murking everyone that wears a jacket when it's not cold or dashes to catch a train before the doors close??? Are we to expect more idiots like yourself to try and justify this type of behavior from the "public servants" sworn to "protect and serve" us??? Now what was your point in calling me a 14 year old in an anarchy shirt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Aug 7 2005, 10:46 PM That the (cops) were in the wrong and should be locked the fuck up! Call it murder, call it manslaughter, whatever. The fact is that they can swear up and down all they want about how they "thought he was a terrorist", the fact is that they were trigger happy PIGS that EXECUTED a dude for no clear reason and are criminally responsible for killing an inoscent man for no other reason than he was brown and wearing a jean jacket in the sumer. Now what was your point in calling me a 14 year old in an anarchy shirt? Quoted post I didn't call you anything. I said that your use of the term 'pigs' at every opportunity makes me feel like I'm talking to a kid. What was your point in calling me Kabar? I am not real sure how we went from "yes, I think that in your hypothetical situation, someone would be justified in returning fire to an unidentified plain clothes officer" to your last post's opening sentence, but I am sure your logic is iron clad. Stop acting like this was some random police murder. The guy was being pursued as a terror suspect in the wake of a large scale attack. What, should they have let him go? 'STOP THIS IS THE PO.... aw shit... yeah, he's running... fuck it." Are we to expect the police to start murking everyone that wears a jacket when it's not cold or dashes to catch a train before the doors close??? Yes, that is exactly what we should expect, you fucking moron. I'm starting to think you really are just some dumb ass kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by Krakatau+Aug 8 2005, 05:29 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Krakatau - Aug 8 2005, 05:29 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-SF1@Aug 7 2005, 10:46 PM That the (cops) were in the wrong and should be locked the fuck up! Call it murder, call it manslaughter, whatever. The fact is that they can swear up and down all they want about how they "thought he was a terrorist", the fact is that they were trigger happy PIGS that EXECUTED a dude for no clear reason and are criminally responsible for killing an inoscent man for no other reason than he was brown and wearing a jean jacket in the sumer. Now what was your point in calling me a 14 year old in an anarchy shirt? Quoted post I didn't call you anything. I said that your use of the term 'pigs' at every opportunity makes me feel like I'm talking to a kid. What was your point in calling me Kabar? I am not real sure how we went from "yes, I think that in your hypothetical situation, someone would be justified in returning fire to an unidentified plain clothes officer" to your last post's opening sentence, but I am sure your logic is iron clad. Stop acting like this was some random police murder. The guy was being pursued as a terror suspect in the wake of a large scale attack. What, should they have let him go? 'STOP THIS IS THE PO.... aw shit... yeah, he's running... fuck it." Are we to expect the police to start murking everyone that wears a jacket when it's not cold or dashes to catch a train before the doors close??? Yes, that is exactly what we should expect, you fucking moron. I'm starting to think you really are just some dumb ass kid. Quoted post [/b] You're an idiot. They never identified themselves nor did they they even aproach him untill he scrambled to get on the train so how the fuck was he sapose to know they were cops on his trail and were about to execute him for something he had nothing to do with???. Nor does it matter. If you wanna live in a Commie fascist police state where every trigger happy PIG has a pass to just murder people cause he doesn't like how they look, then why don't you and everyone with your fucked up mentality do yourselves and everyone else a favor and move to China or something? Why do you morrons insist on turning free countries into fascist police states? If you have a problem with freedom and civil liberties then go somewhere else for crying out loud!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Aug 7 2005, 11:53 PM You're an idiot. They never identified themselves nor did they they even aproach him untill he scrambled to get on the train. Nor does it matter. If you wanna live in a Commie fascist police state where every trigger happy PIG has a pass to just murder people cause he doesn't like how he looks, then why don't you and everyone with your fucked up mentality do everyone else a favor and move to China or something? Why do you morrons insist on turning free countries into fascist police states? If you have a problem with freedom and civil liberties then go somewhere else!!! Quoted post You are fourteen, aren't you? Like I said, I don't know the specifics, or care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Keep calling me 14 all you want but you aint fooling anybody with your nonsense. What is this? So I can just spout whatever nonsense I want and if someone shuts me down I just resort to calling them a 14 year old? Do you actually expect people to fall for that? I'm probably older than you. Unless that is you're Kabar using a fake screen name. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by Krakatau@Aug 8 2005, 05:56 AM Like I said, I don't know the specifics, or care. Quoted post Then why are you running your mouth??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Because you engaged me in conversation with a reply about the candy-assed death toll that police brutality has 'across the pond'. I'm 22. Show me exactly the 'shutting down' point... I think I missed it. I've just started reading about this shit, and most of the reports I am reading say he was repeatedly told to stop and that the police identified themselves repeatedly. And a dead brazillian does not make a fascist state. I know you hate authority and all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Death of a Brazilian or how to massage the facts to fit the crime Uruknet | July 30, 2005 By William Bowles Day 9 of Open Season on those who are “darker than blue” “There is nothing patriotic about our pretending that you can love your country but despise your government.” – President Bill Clinton Blair the AppeaserAs more information has come to light on the circumstances surrounding the assassination of the unfortunate Brazilian, it is abundantly clear that from the moment he stepped out of his apartment building in Tulse Hill to go to his job as an electrician, Menazes was a dead man. In all likelihood, the real scenario is as follows: The block of flats is under surveillance by a team of police no doubt based on ‘information received’. Menazes leave the building, walks to the bus stop and catches the bus to Stockwell tube station, followed by the police surveillance team, where he enters the station and contrary to the police reports, he doesn’t vault the turnstyle but uses his ticket to go through the turnstyle. At this point a plainclothes team take over and follows Menazes into the tube station. Menazes makes his way to the Northern line platform where a train is in the station with its doors open. Menazes runs for the train; the police close in; Menazes stumbles as he enters the carriage. The police board the train, jump on the unfortunate Brazilian and administer the coup de grace, seven shots to the head and one in the shoulder. No doubt this is followed by a triumphant message to their bosses, ‘We got ‘im chief!’ Another ‘terrorist’ bites the dust. From this point on, it’s downhill for the men in (plainclothes) blue, for on identification, they realise that their ‘Islamic terrorist’ is in fact a Brazilian. Whoops! Big cock-up. What to do? In the meantime, chief London cop, Blair of the Yard in his haste to claim a success (no doubt one more notch on his way to collecting his knighthood for ‘services rendered to the state’) has already announced that Menazes is definitely “directly connected to the terrorist network”. The problem now is how to best cover-up the cock-up? From this point on, the entire enterprise goes completely pear-shaped. In order to justify the murder of Menazes it is necessary to ‘massage’ the facts to fit the crime. Step 1: Put it about that he was wearing a ‘bulky’ jacket on a warm summer’s day whereas in fact, he was wearing a lightweight jeans jacket. Very suspicious, for underneath the bulky jacket could be hidden a bomb. In addition they imply that his behaviour was ‘suspicious’. Step 2: Instead of walking quite normally through the station turnstyle, the police allege that he ran into the station and vaulted the turnstyle. The police of course, following the scenario laid down by ‘Operation Kratos’ now have a ‘licence to kill’. Step 3: At this point the ‘hit squad’ take over, who follow him down to the station platform. The events from here on until the point at which he enters the train and is murdered, are somewhat conjectural but in all likelihood, once on the platform Menazes is either warned to stop (police version) and is chased by the hit squad, with guns drawn. Menaizes, understandably, seeing that he is being chased by three unidentified men with guns, runs for it. Or, seeing the train in the station, he runs for it before the doors close, onto the train where he stumbles as he boards followed by the hit squad. Step 4: Either way, he is chased into the train by the three men who, according to Whitby, one of the witnesses, “jump on top of him” and fire several bullets into him at point blank range (Whitby said five, another witness said three but in fact, according to the police it was eight). Either way, Menazes was dead. No doubt the hit squad’s first act is to communicate to their superiors that the suspect has been ‘neutralised’. At this point, due to his dark skin it is still assumed that Menazes is an ‘Asian’. Had he in fact, been an Asian, no doubt the story concocted by the authorities would have been somewhat different and given the hysterical atmosphere created around the events of July 7 and the preceding day, the ‘Asian man’s’ unfortunate demise would have been ‘regrettable’ but understandable. And anyway, who cares about the odd Asian biting the dust? The sympathies would have been with the police who are, in any case “under severe strain”. Meanwhile, Blair of the Yard has already ‘jumped the gun’ so-to-speak and announced to the world that the victim was “definitely directly connected to the terror network”. This was the first of many errors committed by the state that no doubt forced the invention of the story that was subsequently released to the press. So time for some ‘reverse engineering’, hence we see the ‘bulky coat’, the ‘vaulting of the turnstyle’, his ‘suspicious behaviour’, necessitating the use of lethal force to ‘protect the lives of the innocent’. Finally, the ‘shoot-to-kill’ policy of Operation Kratos is revealed in order to take the heat off the cops’ cock-up. Blair and co are in theory, unassailable being able to retreat behind the façade of ‘policy’. The propaganda campaign kicks in big time. The first of many disinformation pieces appear, namely that he might have been an ‘illegal alien’, thus justifying him running from the police in an attempt to justify the murder. The Home Office initially issues a rigorous denial and condemns press speculation on Menazes status in no uncertain terms, but of course in line with the tactic of putting out as much ‘chaff’ as possible, the thought is planted in the minds of the public regardless of official utterances to the contrary. Menazes’ status goes through a series of revisions over the following week, with yet another story surfacing that the stamp in his passport is “forged”. The Home Office refuses to comment. Overall though, the impression is left in the public’s mind that there was something ‘dodgy’ about Menazes. It’s all grist for the propaganda mill. The mainstream press of course, rush to the defence of the police’s actions in total lock-step with official policy on state-sanctioned murder. The witnesses to the assassination disappear completely. There are no followup interviews by our intrepid press. A brief press release is issued by the RMT union that the driver of the train, who understandably fled along with everyone else when the shots rang out, is chased by the police and has a gun held to his head before being released (was he by any chance, ‘darker than blue’ I wonder?). I phoned up the RMT and was told that the driver was in fact a member of ASLEF, the other transport workers’ union. The only press report on this that I could find was in the Morning Star. I attempted to talk to the ASLEF press office but to no avail and as far as I know, ASLEF has not commented on the event, there is no mention on the ASLEF Website of the incident. No matter, it’s merely another ‘sidebar’ in the ‘war on terror’. As the days pass, it finally emerges that the story released by the police on the events leading up to Menazes’ death is somewhat off the mark but by now, the government’s propaganda defensive is in full swing and the actual facts disappear under a swathe of justifications issued by the police and the government, chiefly of course the ‘shoot to kill’ policy, that it is necessary to shoot first and perhaps ask questions later, but in any case, the state has no choice but to institute the policy given the nature of the threat, suicide bombers, who have to be taken out before setting off their bombs. However, I would like to offer the following observations on the government’s tactics that point I think to some serious flaws in the government’s calculations that first and foremost hinge around the disastrous debacle of the Menazes murder. In the first instance, it is clear that as the situation goes from bad to worse in Iraq, it has revealed the strategic disaster that is the ‘war on terror’ from which the USUK alliance is unlikely to recover. All attempts to bring the other leading capitalist states onboard have failed miserably, so with every passing day, the ‘coalition of the killing’ finds itself ever more isolated and most dangerous of all, desperate. Those who scorn the idea that 7/7 was in actuality instigated by the security services of the ‘Axis of Terror’, the US, UK and Israel, need to bear this reality in mind, never mind alleged forged photos, airbrushed images and the like. And if we need proof of this we need only note the change of tack announced this week; goodbye to ‘the war on terror’, hello to ‘the war on violent extremism’. Extremism of course is a much wider and even vaguer definition than ‘terror’, for clearly this change in tactics is designed to prepare us for the next stage in the creation of a full-blown police state simply because it is inevitable that resistance to Blair’s policies will increase as the implications of the failed invasion sink in. The announcement of new and even more repressive state powers this week, are a clear indication of the increasing desperation of the ruling elite’s situation, justified by the ‘convenient’ events of July 7 (and what I still consider as the accident of the botched and obviously amateur copycat attempts on July 21). Police last night told Tony Blair that they need sweeping new powers to counter the terrorist threat, including the right to detain a suspect for up to three months without charge instead of the current 14 days. Senior officers also want powers to attack and close down websites, and a new criminal offence of using the internet to prepare acts of terrorism, [and] to “suppress inappropriate internet usage”. They also want to make it a criminal offence for suspects to refuse to cooperate in giving the police full access to computer files by refusing to disclose their encryption keys. Now what the hell is “inappropriate internet usage”? Once the state embarks on a course of repression in order to enforce policy on an unwilling population, it is on a one-way street to fascism for there can be no backing down nor turning back. The only course of action is even more repression or the overthrow of what is effectively becoming a dictatorship. The ‘middle ground’, represented by a social democratic model of rule through some kind of consent and compromise is no more, abandoned as with much of the rest of the inconvenient baggage of social democracy such as being answerable to the public. And, as the situation gets ever more polarized by the actions of the government, it is inevitable that ‘terror’ morphs into ‘extremism’, thus widening the net to encompass an increasing percentage of society that opposes Blair’s ‘ordinary’ fascism. Before you know it, independent media sources such this will be branded as ‘extremist’ simply because we oppose the government’s policies. Driving the entire enterprise is the state’s demonisation of Islam which has become ever more strident and extreme That is why I don’t even agree actually … that in the end they just want us out of Arab countries, they don’t, it is far more fundamental than that, they want a war between Islam and other religions, that is what they want, that is why they keep referring to this as the crusader Zionist alliance and all this sort of rubbish. That is what they want, they want a situation in which we end up being divided – Tony Blair The we being of course, the white, Anglo-Saxon alliance of the US and the UK. Interestingly, the only time the term “crusader Zionist alliance” has been used was allegedly by Osama bin Laden in October 2004 in a taped speech that was identified with “moderate confidence” as bin Laden by the CIA, so it’s not even certain that Osama actually used the phrase. Moreover, the speech was released on one of the will ‘o the wisp websites, much favoured by the alleged al-Qu’eda terror network. And we are not going to deal with this problem, with the roots as deep as they are, until we confront these people at every single level. And not just their methods, but their ideas. [my emph. WB] – Tony Blair But note now the use of the phrase “Not just the methods but the ideas” heralding the nature of the relationship between the US and UK as the US too alter their propaganda campaign to mesh with the reality of the failed military option. For failing to win the ‘war on terror’, there is only one option left, wage war on their domestic populations as the opposition to failed policies increases. The speech from which these quotes are taken reveals an ever more unhinged Blair, with sections of the speech resembling nothing so much as a ‘stream of ranting consciousness’, replete with all the by now familar buzzwords. But it is the way reality is twisted that is most disturbing such as this example Israel shouldn’t exist, yes American foreign policy is evil, yes what happened in Iraq or Afghanistan was designed to suppress Islam, if people accept those as ideas it is far less of a step into the extremism of terrorism. In other words, if you oppose USUK policy in Iraq, Afghanistan or their support for the policies of the Israeli government then it’s a short step to accepting “the extremism of terrorism”. And there is the inference that the invasion was designed to “suppress Islam”, a first for Blair. Extremism and terrorism are now completely interchangeable terms. It is obvious that those of us who oppose the government’s policies are being set up for the next phase; the inexorable logic of the slide into fascism. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted post Quoted post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 That article looks like a bunch of speculation to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smooth talker Posted August 8, 2005 Author Share Posted August 8, 2005 but there is no speculation as to the fact that they let him get aboard a bus holding innocent folk and travel blocks before they yelled for him to stop. Reports are there were a gang of pigs around the whole scene standing next to him and shit. All walkie talkied up on some crazy DIRTY HARRY shit. Then this dude somehow gets to far so they have to chase him. They were plain clothed officers, he was not paranoid. I guess some people in this forum have never got hemmed up by undercovers. They dont shout at you. They just grab you cause they are right next to you and you dont even know it. This is the point of being undercover. It was an obvious assasination. Everyone in london is shook. Of themselves and the police. Fear is the reason for all of this. Thats why they shot this cat. Its just tragic to not see more main stream coverage of this shit. This is some high profile shit but they cover these stories up saying that it causes social unrest. Fucking aye right it does. But the sheep feed into the story and feel good when they curl up with there forgotten dreams and go to sleep... JEAN CHARLES DE MENEZES killed by pigs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmilwaukee Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 ftp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 If you can't recognize that corporate media has an agenda, that they are trying to tell you what to think and feel... When I got arrested the news article that ran said I was "covered in spray paint", when in reality there was just a little bit on my fingernail. The police report didn't even say I was covered in paint so I don't really know where they got that from. I guess the point of my stupid story is: Know what to take out of the news and try to detect rhetoric and think critically about what you are reading. The newspapers wanted to generate a negative opinion about me and "taggers" in general. Almost all current issues that you read about always has a liberal or conservative twist to it, an attitude, idea or opinion they are trying to generate inside your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Maybe if the western world adjusted adjusted their foreign policies there wouldn't be terrorists? I mean aren't terrorists basically just radical activists? They are trying to bring attention to their cause (I do personally believe this is ineffective and counterproductive.) We can pretend that they are just jealous of our freedom and they hate our materialistic values, but if you actually listen to what they say about us.... "Trade sanctions imposed onto the Iraqi people by the Clinton Administration resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi civilians -mostly children- from starvation." "The U.S. government funnels millions every year to fund Israel's military in their war on Palestine" etc.. Now everyone, (do it with me now,) think about the people worldwide enslaved by the production of all of our luxuries we enjoy here in the U.S. Think about where the components for your computer was made. Why the hell don't they make it here? Could it be because the materials used to produce a computer are noxious? There are carcinogens such as Cadmium, Dioxin, Arsenic, Lead and Mercury that are found in circuit boards, soldering, chip resistors, lcd screens etc.. If we produced these things here, where we have environmental and social regulations the price of things would shoot up sky high. That's why things like shoes, textiles, electronics etc are usually made over seas in developing countries. One could argue that they don't have to work there, "They have a choice", but I disagree. Most of these third world countries economic base and access to self-sustenance was destroyed by western globalization. They are offered two choices: A. Work in a shitty environment and if you don't like it you can leave and be replaced by someone more desperate than you or B. Starve to death I'm not even going to get into the death squads Latin America. Read about the U'wa people of Columbia. Or the Mayans being oppressed and slaughtered by the U.S. supported Guatemalan Military. U.S. made Guns and U.S. made Army fatigues are being used to coerce Latin Americans into making products the U.S. enjoys on a daily basis. You can apply this Western World Oppressing the Developing world idea to pretty much every category of every product we lovely Americans consume, use and throw away. People seem pretty freaked out by this super confrontational in your face violence that the terrorists are on right now, but don't you think our economic policies are violent? Don't you think our foreign policies are violent? Our sanctions? Our support of oppressive Dictatorships? Its all the same to them. Take a look in tha got damm mirrah. Can anyone detect in rhetoric in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Aw fuck I just realized this thread is from '05 and a fucker bumped it. My bad folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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