KaBar2 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Well, either you learn to adapt to a changing world, or you will find yourself in frequent conflict with it. This terrorism thing will not last forever. Other wars have not, and neither will this one. Having your bags inspected when you board public transport is not "living in a police state." I suspect that the reason you are upset about it is because you are in the habit of carrying around illegal items in your backpack and are afraid of getting caught. You already know the items are illegal. You already know the police are searching bags at train stations, airports and sports events, etc. The solution to this problem is simple. Just stop carrying illegal items around with you. Even better, just stop having illegal items at all. Why would you want to have illegal shit anyway? It's ILLEGAL. All it is is a prison sentence sitting around waiting to happen. A felony is a crime serious enough to warrant a sentence of over one year in jail. Some railroad trespassing crimes could be felonies. For instance, if you destroyed railroad property, like a switch or a signal, you might get charged with "interfering with railroad operations." It's a serious felony. If you get busted for being on railroad property, it's a trespassing ticket. They cite you, and turn you loose, most of the time. It is a misdemeanor, more or less like speeding. If you don't pay the ticket, they issue a warrant for your arrest, just like with a traffic ticket. If you get arrested while actually on a train, you usually get arrested and taken to jail. The cops search you, they search your gear, they go through any letters, notes, maps, address books, etc. and gather as much information about you and your associates as they can. They confiscate anything like a crew-change guide, a railroad map, or railroad fusees. Most of the time, UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING STUPID, LIKE CARRY DRUGS ON YOU WHILE HOPPING, they release you after a couple of days, maybe a week. If I don't wish to get arrested, searched, ticketed or jailed, all I need to do is stay off of railroad property. It's THEIR property. They have a right to keep me off of it. There is no "right" to hop freight trains. It's illegal, and has consequences if one gets caught, just like writing graffiti. If you don't like the consequences, don't do the behavior. Some actions in society are considered to be much more harmful than others. Drugs, for instance, are considered to be very harmful. To encourage people to not use or possess illegal drugs, society places a rather severe penalty for the use of them. I used to smoke pot, when I was a kid. After a while, I asked myself, "Is this really worth it? If I get caught, I could get YEARS in prison. Fuck that, it's not worth that." So I quit using pot, and all other drugs. Since I knew there was a significant risk of getting arrested hopping or hitchhiking, I never carried any drugs on me, EVER, when doing those activities. If you take the train or bus, you might want to consider that. All this concern and outrage about a police state sounds like the rant of people who feel that they are entitled to break the law. The law may be stupid, or it may just be plain wrong, but it is still the law, and if you break it and get caught, you are going to jail. Or if you are under 18, to Juvenile Detention, probably for weeks, if not months. The idea that somehow or another society is just "making things illegal" to incarcerate everyone is ridiculous. Law exists to direct the behavior of the people within a society. Either you comply, and avoid problems, or you choose to violate the law, and risk the consequences of so doing. Either way, it's YOUR CHOICE. Do whatever you please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Originally posted by Ten Cents@Jul 30 2005, 04:23 AM Lol. I guess the anti-terrorism fairy could magically appear and fund the hundreds of bomb sniffing dogs needed at every search-targeted station. She could install platinum xray machines, too! They have whatever small number of dogs they can get right now down there already anyway. And if you get knocked & sent to rikers over one of these bag searches you must have been smoking pounds of the shit you got knocked for before you tried to get on a train with it. Every sane person in the city knows they got cops down there searching shit right now. Quoted post So you're saying that it's easier to pay the amount of cops it's gonna take to go through everyones bags at a train station than have a few dogs to sniff people as they walk through the turnstyles??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Originally posted by KaBar2@Jul 30 2005, 05:09 PM Well, either you learn to adapt to a changing world, or you will find yourself in frequent conflict with it. This terrorism thing will not last forever. Other wars have not, and neither will this one. Having your bags inspected when you board public transport is not "living in a police state." I suspect that the reason you are upset about it is because you are in the habit of carrying around illegal items in your backpack and are afraid of getting caught. You already know the items are illegal. You already know the police are searching bags at train stations, airports and sports events, etc. The solution to this problem is simple. Just stop carrying illegal items around with you. Even better, just stop having illegal items at all. Why would you want to have illegal shit anyway? It's ILLEGAL. All it is is a prison sentence sitting around waiting to happen. A felony is a crime serious enough to warrant a sentence of over one year in jail. Some railroad trespassing crimes could be felonies. For instance, if you destroyed railroad property, like a switch or a signal, you might get charged with "interfering with railroad operations." It's a serious felony. If you get busted for being on railroad property, it's a trespassing ticket. They cite you, and turn you loose, most of the time. It is a misdemeanor, more or less like speeding. If you don't pay the ticket, they issue a warrant for your arrest, just like with a traffic ticket. If you get arrested while actually on a train, you usually get arrested and taken to jail. The cops search you, they search your gear, they go through any letters, notes, maps, address books, etc. and gather as much information about you and your associates as they can. They confiscate anything like a crew-change guide, a railroad map, or railroad fusees. Most of the time, UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING STUPID, LIKE CARRY DRUGS ON YOU WHILE HOPPING, they release you after a couple of days, maybe a week. If I don't wish to get arrested, searched, ticketed or jailed, all I need to do is stay off of railroad property. It's THEIR property. They have a right to keep me off of it. There is no "right" to hop freight trains. It's illegal, and has consequences if one gets caught, just like writing graffiti. If you don't like the consequences, don't do the behavior. Some actions in society are considered to be much more harmful than others. Drugs, for instance, are considered to be very harmful. To encourage people to not use or possess illegal drugs, society places a rather severe penalty for the use of them. I used to smoke pot, when I was a kid. After a while, I asked myself, "Is this really worth it? If I get caught, I could get YEARS in prison. Fuck that, it's not worth that." So I quit using pot, and all other drugs. Since I knew there was a significant risk of getting arrested hopping or hitchhiking, I never carried any drugs on me, EVER, when doing those activities. If you take the train or bus, you might want to consider that. All this concern and outrage about a police state sounds like the rant of people who feel that they are entitled to break the law. The law may be stupid, or it may just be plain wrong, but it is still the law, and if you break it and get caught, you are going to jail. Or if you are under 18, to Juvenile Detention, probably for weeks, if not months. The idea that somehow or another society is just "making things illegal" to incarcerate everyone is ridiculous. Law exists to direct the behavior of the people within a society. Either you comply, and avoid problems, or you choose to violate the law, and risk the consequences of so doing. Either way, it's YOUR CHOICE. Do whatever you please. Quoted post And you people actually wonder how someone could possibly question this guys authenticity??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerillaeye Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Its a realistic response to a situation that could be dangerous for innocent people.... right. thats how it works... they create a valid fear and exploite it. ie: The Patriot Act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Thats our situation anyway. Imagine if we were left to ourselves with no type of guidance or rules. Imagine if life was totally lawless. That would be insane! Your grandmother would have to have an AK at all times. The law is there to protect people from various harms. I don't always agree with the law as a matter of fact, how many of us here didn't break the law, simply for the fact that you could get away with it and nobody could tell you jack! Right? We all want to be rebels to some degree, this is life, The question is when exactly do you cross the line between being a freedom fighting rebel... striving for the liberation of the mindless materialites and being a punk ass criminal lowlife scumbag?? Think about that line. where does that line exist? I bet we could debate that line until we die , and our kids could pick up that debate and debate it until they die etc etc. Thats why we need some sort of guidance or criteria to govern ourselves, to distinguish right from wrong. Is my right and wrong different from yours? No way, right is right and wrong is wrong, straight up.....It's just that people perceive things the way that best suits their objectives and they justify according to that. I used to always justify graffiti by saying that I am bombing areas that are already smashed, so Its like bringing sand to the beach , right? Well, tell that to the judge. Simple fact. We can try to fight it , but fighting it is fruitless, if you fight it , you will brak your head banging it against a mountain. It's best , in my opinion , rather than fighting the system, Learn it and use it to your advantage.....Be smart.....and don't be a knucklehead...Play the game, put on your poker face and go for what you know. I paint graff for a living now, I have been writing graff for over 16 years. Its one of the only things I am good at. So what the hell, I paint advertisements in graff style and also "non" graff styles, but I learned how to paint through smashin the streets, Sometimes my customers ask me "hey did you learn that by painting bridges and stuff" I just grin and say "yeah, trains too" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Dawood your "right" and "wrong"is definately different than mine. Is your brain really that small? Originally posted by Dawood@Aug 1 2005, 05:52 AM , put on your poker face and go for what you know. I paint graff for a living now, I have been writing graff for over 16 years. Its one of the only things I am good at. So what the hell, I paint advertisements in graff style and also "non" graff styles, but I learned how to paint through smashin the streets, Sometimes my customers ask me "hey did you learn that by painting bridges and stuff" I just grin and say "yeah, trains too" Quoted post I smell bullshit. :clown2: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 ^^^^^ SF, maybe he's a cop too!!!! Better call him on it before someone else does! :shook: :shook: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerillaeye Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 i dunno, maybe if left to our selves, we would find what true harmony as a society is. with no one to fight for food (because we would take care of eachother), and no one to shoot for money (because money would have no value), and no worrys about medical coverage (because again, with no leaders saying we need to exploite every weakness of the lower classes, and no monitary system, and everyone doing their parts, why would we need to charge our brothers and sisters for their well-being?), we would actually live the way nature intends us to... as beings. hard to imagine, i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Yea, it's called communism, and it's the foundation for TOTALITARIANISM. You know, that thing you constantly claim America is, only it actually is a police state. And you can't publicly bitch about it like you do here, because then they kill you and destroy the evidence of your exsistance. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizel Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 I thought my rights were suppost to be violated. But is'nt that what the Patroit Act is for? You know the act that was written with the soot from the constitution. I love how communisum is bad, and how our president has shown us how bad it is BY EXMPLE. Funny right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerillaeye Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Aug 1 2005, 10:25 AM Yea, it's called communism, and it's the foundation for TOTALITARIANISM. You know, that thing you constantly claim America is, only it actually is a police state. And you can't publicly bitch about it like you do here, because then they kill you and destroy the evidence of your exsistance. Carry on. Quoted post Sure thing, Stereotype (you dropped your badge). Except you missed the essence of my comment... The Absence of A Governing Body. That, my ignorant friend is the heart of anarchy... that’s right, in an anarchical society we will have no need for over-seers... I mean, officers... because existence seeks balance... chaos seeks equilibrium, humanity seeks peace. And without our governing body telling us to kill this nation and help that one, we will evolve naturally into a global utopia. (I heard we were in heaven right now, we just need to realize it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smooth talker Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 QUOTE (Stereotype V.001 - Aug 1 2005, 10:25 AM) Yea, it's called communism, and it's the foundation for TOTALITARIANISM. You know, that thing you constantly claim America is, only it actually is a police state. And you can't publicly bitch about it like you do here, because then they kill you and destroy the evidence of your exsistance. Carry on. .............................................................. what happend to fred hampton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Aug 1 2005, 03:25 PM Yea, it's called communism, and it's the foundation for TOTALITARIANISM. You know, that thing you constantly claim America is, only it actually is a police state. And you can't publicly bitch about it like you do here, because then they kill you and destroy the evidence of your exsistance. Quoted post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Originally posted by guerillaeye@Aug 1 2005, 03:19 PM Sure thing, Stereotype (you dropped your badge). Except you missed the essence of my comment... The Absence of A Governing Body. That, my ignorant friend is the heart of anarchy... that’s right, in an anarchical society we will have no need for over-seers... I mean, officers... because existence seeks balance... chaos seeks equilibrium, humanity seeks peace. And without our governing body telling us to kill this nation and help that one, we will evolve naturally into a global utopia. (I heard we were in heaven right now, we just need to realize it). Quoted post Wrong, you were describing communism. Everyone helping eachother out, no currency system. It's ok though, you dont have to admit it. And the rest of your post was real deep man. We're like, all in this together. Righteous! That was cute "the way nature intended." Apparently you don't watch alot of the animal channel, otherwise you'd know about "alpha males" controlling the rest of the animals, weaker species being prayed on for food, the whole territorial idea and lining their borders with piss and other acrid scents. Ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 SF1, nice job with the old "switcheroo." Very clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smooth talker Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I hope you dont believe everything you see on the discovery channel. Thats some real propoganda shit..Seperation of man and animal...A BRAVE NEW WORLD.... Im really suprised that any one is going along with this shit.. I mean obviously there are some pigs on this thread but beyond that im talking bout in NY... Honest working people are so afraid of each other that they are willing to give up there fifth ammendmant. And then believing that there honesty isnt being put into question everytime they step into the public with a bag. Let a couple more bombings happen and its going to be illegal to have a bag.. CAR BOMBS oh shit there goes your right to drive, either that or ten mile checkpoints sponsered by TARGET. It all works so good to. They privatize everything so that when it comes time to put guards everywhere they still make the profit. Every camera they install they make the buck. They know they got us under control anyway, shit player they own the food. They say who gets what. Who lives who dies. Who gets searched and who walks. These little infringements are very small compared to the Russian Executions we all hear about, but it in essence is just another tactic to control. I think the worlds population has risen to a point now that violent oppression is probably not the smartest or most effective way to control. I mean especially when you got guys like GHANDI and shit. But i surely do not doubt that if needed they will execute, shit they got GHANDI. They get everyone who comes up with a way to lead people not inside of the oppresion but outside of it. Of course life is not all puppy dogs and kitty cats, so im not really that mad. But us roaches gotta stick together if were gonna make it. Hatred is passion and passion is meaning. So do what you gotta do, but if you wanna check my bag you better be ready to find some good ol fashion PIPE LOVE know what i mean player.....FUCK YOU PIGS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 SF...there is no "Your" right and wrong and "my" right and wrong. There is only right and wrong. Simple as that...... how can something be right or wrong according to the individual, (except for a few small cases and special circumstances) If drinking a fifth of Mad dog 20/20 is bad for me , how can it be good for you? You may like it and I might not, but that doesnt change whether it is right or wrong. Damn, I swear you must be an athiest. And FYI...SF I probably hit more freights than you caught tags on the wall.... You better ask somebody...I don't lie....lying is wrong....and I am far from being a pig, don't play yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerillaeye Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 com·mu·nism Pronunciation: 'käm-y&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Etymology: French communisme, from commun common 1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively ............................................ right... that looks like the absence of a governing body to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Originally posted by smooth talker@Aug 2 2005, 02:34 AM I hope you dont believe everything you see on the discovery channel. Thats some real propoganda shit..Seperation of man and animal...A BRAVE NEW WORLD.... Im really suprised that any one is going along with this shit.. I mean obviously there are some pigs on this thread but beyond that im talking bout in NY... Honest working people are so afraid of each other that they are willing to give up there fifth ammendmant. And then believing that there honesty isnt being put into question everytime they step into the public with a bag. Let a couple more bombings happen and its going to be illegal to have a bag.. CAR BOMBS oh shit there goes your right to drive, either that or ten mile checkpoints sponsered by TARGET. It all works so good to. They privatize everything so that when it comes time to put guards everywhere they still make the profit. Every camera they install they make the buck. They know they got us under control anyway, shit player they own the food. They say who gets what. Who lives who dies. Who gets searched and who walks. These little infringements are very small compared to the Russian Executions we all hear about, but it in essence is just another tactic to control. I think the worlds population has risen to a point now that violent oppression is probably not the smartest or most effective way to control. I mean especially when you got guys like GHANDI and shit. But i surely do not doubt that if needed they will execute, shit they got GHANDI. They get everyone who comes up with a way to lead people not inside of the oppresion but outside of it. Of course life is not all puppy dogs and kitty cats, so im not really that mad. But us roaches gotta stick together if were gonna make it. Hatred is passion and passion is meaning. So do what you gotta do, but if you wanna check my bag you better be ready to find some good ol fashion PIPE LOVE know what i mean player.....FUCK YOU PIGS.... Quoted post Bump for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Originally posted by Dawood@Aug 2 2005, 03:13 AM SF...there is no "Your" right and wrong and "my" right and wrong. There is only right and wrong. Simple as that...... how can something be right or wrong according to the individual, (except for a few small cases and special circumstances) If drinking a fifth of Mad dog 20/20 is bad for me , how can it be good for you? You may like it and I might not, but that doesnt change whether it is right or wrong. Damn, I swear you must be an athiest. Quoted post In my oppinion there is nothing "wrong" with fucking a 16 year old girl. If she's already getting the dick then why can't she get it from me? There are alot of people that dissagree. You most likely think that fucking anyone other than your wife is wrong, right? Well then do you beleive that there is anything "sick and perverse" or "wrong" with marrying a 16 year old? In the middle east it's probably normal for a 20-30 year old dude to marry a 16 year old girl because she's considered a full grown woman, but here it's "wrong". I also don't know anything about the Quaran but I doubt it say's anything is "wrong" with marying a 16 year old. But here in America some douchbags a few decades ago passed a law and now everyone thinks it's "wrong", even though just 50 years ago it was perfectly normal here in the U.S. for a 14 or 15 year old girl to marry a 23 year old dude and nobody thought it was "wrong" because the douchbags didn't pass the law yet. Also in certain countries it's "right" to cut off someones hand if they get caught shoplifting right? I think you'll be hardpressed to find anyone in this country that believes it not "wrong" to cut off someones hand for something as simple as shoplifting. :rolleyes: I know you probably refuse to accept the authentisity of other religions but the fact is that there ARE other religions than yours. Some of them beleive that it is "wrong" in go to a doctor or hospital when you're sick because that's interfering with Gods will. So when their kid has a 103 temperature and is on his/her deathbed they think the "right" thing to do is just sit there and pray that God will change his mind and not let their kid die and that it would be "wrong" to seek medical help. :huh2: Terrorists honestly beleive that they are "right" to take out their wrath on inoscent civilians. They have people telling them that it's what Allah would want. Just like our military and redneck retards honestly beleive that there is nothing wrong with pillaging other countries and killing mad people including mad amounts of inoscent civilians because they are being brainwashed as well (and alot of them honestly think "God is on our side"). And you have people on all sides using every religion to either justify or denounce every side from the terrorists to the U.S. governments to the insurgents fighting for their country... And they all are killing eachother over what they honestly beleive is "right" or "wrong". So how can you sit there and claim that there is only one right or wrong for everbody and every situation??? Cause your Quaran says this or says that? Your Quaran just like the Bible was not written by God, it was writen by man. :rolleyes: I could go on and on about this but it has nothing to do with the pigs searching people on the subways so I won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 SF1-- What you are describing is "situational ethics," I think. It sort of sounds like it to me anyway. From my point of view, it is not up to each individual to decide for himself or herself what is wrong or right. We establish what is within the law, and and what is outside of the law as a nation. I guess if you want to marry a 15-year-old you can move to some country where it's legal and accepted, and as long as she and her parents agree, you're hitched. But obviously, in most states within the USA, marrying people who are legally children is illegal, and highly punishable. What "used to be" legal and acceptable is obviously not necessarily legal now. Prime example: slavery. Legal for 89 years in the United States, and for 143 years in the American Colonies under the BRITISH flag, it is most definately no longer legal or acceptable. (BTW, slaves first arrived in New England in DUTCH ships. But somehow or another, it was all the Southerners' fault. Jeez.) Standards and times change, and what was legal 75 years ago is not legal now. Another example: prior to the 1933 passage of the Narcotics Act, you could pretty much take whatever drug you pleased and nobody gave a shit. Prior to the National Firearms Act, 12-year olds could walk into any hardware store and buy a Thompson .45 machinegun right off the rack, as long as they had the cash. And there were a shitload fewer murders then than there are now, by a very, very wide margin. Obviously, we elect representatives, and our representative go to the Legislature and write laws of which we supposedly approve. If you don't like the laws (and I don't) then you can always work to get them changed, or run for Congress yourself, or move somewhere else. You can even just decide to break whatever laws of which you do not approve. But we should not imagine that if we choose to break the law, that we have some mythical "right" to do so. If we break the law and get caught, we should EXPECT consequences, and depending upon what law we broke, sometimes pretty fucking harsh and severe consequences. It's our choice. Obey the law, or risk being punished for violating the law. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Originally posted by KaBar2@Aug 2 2005, 07:24 AM SF1-- (BTW, slaves first arrived in New England in DUTCH ships. But somehow or another, it was all the Southerners' fault. Jeez.) If you don't like the laws (and I don't) then you can always work to get them changed, or run for Congress yourself, or move somewhere else. . Quoted post I'm not sure of the chronological order of when and where the slaves arrived first, but In Charleston SC there is an outdoor flea market right near the ocean downtown that used to be called the "slave market" As a matter of fact , most people STILL call it the slave market. I have been to Charleston many times and heard people refer to the slave market. Of course in that time New England and Charleston were (and still are) two of the biggest seaports. Also , I think anyone who would involve himself in todays politics is a complete idiot. seriously a sucker for punishment. I think the north/south argument is dumb , except that northerners are cooler :king: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I dont think anything is wrong with marrying a 16 year old. Unless she doesnt want to be married or something like that, but generally marrying a 16 year old is fine in my opinion. My whole argument is that just because people passed a law against something doesnt make it morally wrong. I think we are somewhat on the same side of the fence with this one SF, its just that you are too used to arguing with me... As far as the person who beleives that it would be interfering with God's will to treat a sick person , well wouldnt it be God's will also if medicine cured them? So we treat God's will with God's will, right? But , back to my point, I am not trying to say (for arguments sake) that my religion is the source of all that is right. (even though I beleive that) What I am saying is that there is a right and a wrong to every issue and of course it depends upon certain situations and circumstances to determine that, but given the same set of circumstances in any situation how can there be a difference between what is right and wrong depending upon what a person beleives??? Right? Just because a person beleives that blowing up an abortion clinic is the right thing to do doesnt make it right! you see where I'm coming from? His beleif does not justify his actions because there is always a right and wrong to any situation in varying degrees . (not trying to sound too one dimensional) I understant that life is a lot more complex and intricate than just a rulebook of do'd and don'ts , but generally speaking, If a person thinks stealing is ok, he probably justifies it somehow, It's better in my opinion , If someone is a thief, to just admit it and say " hey , I'm a lowlife thief" rather than say "the system forces us to steal because prices are set too high and blah, blah,blah"....I hate when people talk like that, shut up and be a man, stop blaming eveybody else because you are a lowlife < I'm not talking to you SF , just speaking in general again. I used to rack haaaard, in the day! I made an occupation of it, but I grew up, I used to justify all types of foul ish I used to do, but I grew up. It happens to most of us, I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smooth talker Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 lo lifes are sick...SPITLER....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by guerillaeye@Aug 1 2005, 11:28 PM com·mu·nism Pronunciation: 'käm-y&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Etymology: French communisme, from commun common 1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively ............................................ right... that looks like the absence of a governing body to me. Quoted post Just a few comments, your original post only mentioned the "absence of a governing body" once, the rest of the idea(l)s were communist ones. Secondly, the 'absence of a governing body' IS what communism consists of. That is why communism is so open to people controlling things with their own agenda, and why it later turns into a totalitarian government. Again, you don't have to admit your wrong, you can continue to argue. It's just like nature brah!!! BRB, I'm listening to phish and dancing in my tie-died poncho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerillaeye Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001+Aug 4 2005, 11:17 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stereotype V.001 - Aug 4 2005, 11:17 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-guerillaeye@Aug 1 2005, 11:28 PM com·mu·nism Pronunciation: 'käm-y&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Etymology: French communisme, from commun common 1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively ............................................ right... that looks like the absence of a governing body to me. Quoted post Just a few comments, your original post only mentioned the "absence of a governing body" once, the rest of the idea(l)s were communist ones. Secondly, the 'absence of a governing body' IS what communism consists of. That is why communism is so open to people controlling things with their own agenda, and why it later turns into a totalitarian government. Again, you don't have to admit your wrong, you can continue to argue. It's just like nature brah!!! BRB, I'm listening to phish and dancing in my tie-died poncho. Quoted post [/b] im not going to argue with you, it is clear that you are so blinded by your own ignorance, that you can contradict yourself in the same breath and not even realize it... but that is what makes america great, isnt it. now, if you dont mind... i am going to continue my existance in the etherial body that phish so nicely plays soundtrack to... but you wouldnt know anything about that, whould you.. brah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Thank you for sparing me from your idiomatic arguments. I tremble when thinking of what MIGHT have happened. Also, thank you for the un-specified retort, and not mentioning where I contradicted myself. What makes America great? No no no, not me. It is most certainly the self righteous, holier than thou hippy/yuppy crowd. Those who have little to no understanding of politics, or the world as a whole (gotta love trust funds!), but feel the need to chime in with their pathetically flawed views and vague rhetoric whenever the occasion arises. And, to finish off my wonderful post, filled with all sorts of "negative vibes". No, I "whould'nt" know anything about terrible, repetitive music that requires a cocktail of mind altering substances to appreciate. Nor would I want to. Peace, bro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Yo Stereotype, I think what he was trying to get at is that this description describes you to a t.... Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Aug 4 2005, 11:23 PM Those who have little to no understanding of politics, or the world as a whole (gotta love trust funds!), but feel the need to chime in with their pathetically flawed views and vague rhetoric whenever the occasion arises. Quoted post ...and that it's pretty much futile trying to argue with a retard. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerillaeye Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Aug 4 2005, 06:23 PM Thank you for sparing me from your idiomatic arguments. I tremble when thinking of what MIGHT have happened. Also, thank you for the un-specified retort, and not mentioning where I contradicted myself. What makes America great? No no no, not me. It is most certainly the self righteous, holier than thou hippy/yuppy crowd. Those who have little to no understanding of politics, or the world as a whole (gotta love trust funds!), but feel the need to chime in with their pathetically flawed views and vague rhetoric whenever the occasion arises. And, to finish off my wonderful post, filled with all sorts of "negative vibes". No, I "whould'nt" know anything about terrible, repetitive music that requires a cocktail of mind altering substances to appreciate. Nor would I want to. Peace, bro! Quoted post Fuck You! You arrogant, ignorant piece of brainwashed shit. You have no clue what the fuck is up with the world today... or you know exactly what is going down and you are part of the cest-pool of shit that pollutes humanity... a rotten chunk of shit on the white-house lawn, festering with all the other chunks of shit. You call me self-righteous? :huh2: Did you get a chance to read your own post??? :huh2: . And if I was a trust-funded yuppie, I wouldn’t have to struggle to provide for my family... but that’s how things are set up... ignorant assholes like you get everything handed to them, while the real people of the world have to struggle to make the ends meet. And by the tone of your responses, it sounds like you would benefit from a mind-awakening substance... but your ass would prolly loose contact with reality and end up in an institution... week minds cant handle it. But back to my origional point... in a communism is dominated by a government.. what ever the government kicks down to the people is what ALL THE PEOPLE get... in an anarchy, there is no government. CASE AND POINT! YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF WHENEVER YOU SAY THAT I AM DESCRIBING A COMMUNISM, WHILE YOU ADMIT TO THERE BEING GOVERNMENT RULE IN A COMMUNISM. and your right, i have a hard time articulating myself... im a psych major.. english is a weakness of mine, but I also dont go around message boards picking on other people with the screen of anonimity hiding my insecurities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by guerillaeye@Aug 5 2005, 03:36 AM and your right, i have a hard time articulating myself... im a psych major.. english is a weakness of mine, but I also dont go around message boards picking on other people with the screen of anonimity hiding my insecurities. Quoted post sounds like a psyche major to me. Stereotypes head is shrinking as we speak.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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