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Conspiracies are fun, much more interesting than reality because you can make up what ever you want with a conspiracy and it's hard to disprove being that you are claiming hidden truths and layers of disinformation. Reality, however is much harder to play around with because you actually have to have a very critical view of what is going on, good knowledge of history and an analytic ability to be taken seriously. That's all hard work, why do all that when you can just play fairy tales and make sensational claims that make you look insightful and all seeing with just a fraction of the effort?

 

Inference and sensation Vs. hard work and experience.

 

Nixon said otherwise.

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I've passed by the "club house" a few times when they are having parties....all sorts of dudes in tuxedos smoking cigars and getting out of limos. The building is pretty low-key until you look in the entrance hall and see the giant wooden owl and the motto "Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" in large letters....WTF.

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i do not see how all these places are so evil and secretive yet there is so much info of them on the internet, now that dont mak no damn sense

 

and you think if they were found out by, Aj or whoever they would continue to do the same shit everyyear

 

thats y i think its bullshit

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i do not see how all these places are so evil and secretive yet there is so much info of them on the internet, now that dont mak no damn sense

 

and you think if they were found out by, Aj or whoever they would continue to do the same shit everyyear

 

thats y i think its bullshit

 

 

Jones snuck in. If you watched his video, you would see that he and the other journalist walked through the woods and into that pickup area, then took the trolley to the main area.

 

Also, BG has been a secret since its inception in the 1800's. The reason it's getting out now is that this is the information age. Much easier than doing old style gumshoe detective work.

 

Why do they keep holding events at BG? Because it's their place. It's secluded, it's got all their housing etc., and it's established.

 

There are many sites all over the world, BG is just one.

 

 

"Weaving spiders, come not here;

Hence, you longlegged spinners, hence!

Beetles black approach not near;

Worm nor snail, do no offence."

- William Shakespeare

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What do you mean "getting out now"? BG has been common knowledge for decades!

 

As for Nixon, pretty sure he called a homosexual haunt (or words to that effect) as well.

 

There are so fucking many different meetings that people have that set agendas, they're called G7, G8, G20, ARF, APEC, ASEAN, SCO, EU, WTO, etc. Obama and Medvedev/Putin are having one of the most important meetings since the end of the Cold War right now. And if you think that stuff like this and the Bilderburg group wield more power than those who are actually IN power, you're living in a dream land.

 

Sure, there is power in places like this, the Masons, Bilderburg, etc. I would never deny that. However, they DO NOT set the agenda, they are NOT the hidden hand of our lives and they are NOT some evil bullshit family blood line that goes back to fucking Cleopatra and Anthony.

 

If you follow Alex Jones you are fucked from the start.

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What do you mean "getting out now"? BG has been common knowledge for decades!

 

As for Nixon, pretty sure he called a homosexual haunt (or words to that effect) as well.

 

There are so fucking many different meetings that people have that set agendas, they're called G7, G8, G20, ARF, APEC, ASEAN, SCO, EU, WTO, etc. Obama and Medvedev/Putin are having one of the most important meetings since the end of the Cold War right now. And if you think that stuff like this and the Bilderburg group wield more power than those who are actually IN power, you're living in a dream land.

 

Sure, there is power in places like this, the Masons, Bilderburg, etc. I would never deny that. However, they DO NOT set the agenda, they are NOT the hidden hand of our lives and they are NOT some evil bullshit family blood line that goes back to fucking Cleopatra and Anthony.

 

If you follow Alex Jones you are fucked from the start.

 

 

Not so, Christo. People would laugh at BG not so many years ago. There's no power there?

It's the richest of the rich and the highest levels of government that meet in BG.

 

As for Bilderburg, the most powerful world leaders meeting in secret once a year....with no press coverage up until the recent years and no press releases, also laughed at and called "conspiracy theory" by mainstream media.

 

Yeah, that seems perfectly ok. (Not really, it violates some of our laws)

 

Bloodlines....wow. That is something that interests me in some ways. It seems to me that the elite do like to keep it in the family sometimes. Mostly anglo's. Not so sure about a family wide conspiracy to dominate, they may just be keeping with tradition.

 

Perhaps you should check out that book Helmut Schmidt wrote where he says "Bohemian Grove is my favorite place to worship" and blathers on about pagan rituals in other parts of the world that world leaders frequent to perform said rituals.

 

Things aren't always what they seem, Christo.

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Not so, Christo. People would laugh at BG not so many years ago. There's no power there?

It's the richest of the rich and the highest levels of government that meet in BG.

 

As for Bilderburg, the most powerful world leaders meeting in secret once a year....with no press coverage up until the recent years and no press releases, also laughed at and called "conspiracy theory" by mainstream media.

 

Yeah, that seems perfectly ok. (Not really, it violates some of our laws)

 

Bloodlines....wow. That is something that interests me in some ways. It seems to me that the elite do like to keep it in the family sometimes. Mostly anglo's. Not so sure about a family wide conspiracy to dominate, they may just be keeping with tradition.

 

Perhaps you should check out that book Helmut Schmidt wrote where he says "Bohemian Grove is my favorite place to worship" and blathers on about pagan rituals in other parts of the world that world leaders frequent to perform said rituals.

 

Things aren't always what they seem, Christo.

 

Where did I say there was no power involved in these groups? Pretty sure I didn't deny there is some semblance of power.

 

Secondly, the leaders that attend BG are VERY limited in scope. PRetty sure the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Thai, Singaporean, Malaysian, Pakistani, Indian, Brazilian, Argentinian, South African, Russian, Iranian, Turkish, Saudi, , Ukranian, Spanish, Portuguese, Swedish, Norwegian, etc. leaders have not attended.

 

Bilderberg is NOT the world's most powerful leaders, that's just plain wrong. The US pres. does not go, the UK PM does not go, the PRC chairman does not go, the Russian PRes. does not go, the Japanese PM does not go, the Indian PM does not go, the Turkish PM and military leaders do not go, the Saudi King does not go, the Brazilian Pres. does not go, the head of Gazprom does not go, the head of Naftogaz does not go, the head or Petrobras does not go, the head of Sinpoec or CNOOC does not go, the JCS/US does not go, the head of CIA does not go, the chair of the CMC/China does not go, ....., getting my drift here?

 

Pagan rituals? Who gives a shit about pagan rituals? Ahemdinijad faces a direction and prays to a god each day that apparently gives him permission to stone to death adulterers and homosexuals. Your old Attorney General covered the boobs of the lady of justice and led prayer ceremonies every day. The leaders of Israel think some dude is going to take them away as chosen people when they Temple is rebuilt. The leaders of India believe in a multi-fucking-armed elephant and crazy shit like that! PAgan rituals? I think they are just another element of what we call "every day life" in this insane fucking world. Anyway, since when have silly pantomimes hurt anyone?

 

Things aren't always what they seem? Come on, you have zero evidence of anything, any power any results any admissions or anything at all to back up your claims other than inferences like "things aren't always what they seem".

 

Too many sensational claims, too little evidence.

 

Not believable.

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Where did I say there was no power involved in these groups? Pretty sure I didn't deny there is some semblance of power.

 

Secondly, the leaders that attend BG are VERY limited in scope. PRetty sure the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Thai, Singaporean, Malaysian, Pakistani, Indian, Brazilian, Argentinian, South African, Russian, Iranian, Turkish, Saudi, , Ukranian, Spanish, Portuguese, Swedish, Norwegian, etc. leaders have not attended.

 

Bilderberg is NOT the world's most powerful leaders, that's just plain wrong. The US pres. does not go, the UK PM does not go, the PRC chairman does not go, the Russian PRes. does not go, the Japanese PM does not go, the Indian PM does not go, the Turkish PM and military leaders do not go, the Saudi King does not go, the Brazilian Pres. does not go, the head of Gazprom does not go, the head of Naftogaz does not go, the head or Petrobras does not go, the head of Sinpoec or CNOOC does not go, the JCS/US does not go, the head of CIA does not go, the chair of the CMC/China does not go, ....., getting my drift here?

 

Pagan rituals? Who gives a shit about pagan rituals? Ahemdinijad faces a direction and prays to a god each day that apparently gives him permission to stone to death adulterers and homosexuals. Your old Attorney General covered the boobs of the lady of justice and led prayer ceremonies every day. The leaders of Israel think some dude is going to take them away as chosen people when they Temple is rebuilt. The leaders of India believe in a multi-fucking-armed elephant and crazy shit like that! PAgan rituals? I think they are just another element of what we call "every day life" in this insane fucking world. Anyway, since when have silly pantomimes hurt anyone?

 

Things aren't always what they seem? Come on, you have zero evidence of anything, any power any results any admissions or anything at all to back up your claims other than inferences like "things aren't always what they seem".

 

Too many sensational claims, too little evidence.

 

 

Not believable.

 

 

 

 

None of those world leaders who practice Hinduism, Islam, etc. take part in mock child sacrifice. I guess that's one reason I would say it's out of the ordinary.

 

 

Bilderburg 2009 attendee list:

 

Dutch Queen Beatrix

Queen Sofia of Spain

Prince Constantijn (Belgian Prince)

Prince Philippe Etienne Ntavinion, Belgium

Étienne, Viscount Davignon, Belgium (former vice-president of the European Commission)

Josef Ackermann (Swiss banker and CEO of Deutsche Bank)

Keith B. Alexander, United States (Lieutenant General, U.S. Army, Director of the National Security Agency)

Roger Altman, United States (investment banker, former U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton)

Georgios A. Arapoglou, Greece (Governor of National Bank of Greece)

Ali Babaca , Turkey (Deputy Prime Minister responsible for economy)

Francisco Pinto Balsemão, Portugal (former Prime Minister of Portugal)

Nicholas Bavarez, France (economist and historian)

Franco Bernabè, Italy (Telecom Italia)

Xavier Bertrand, France (French politician connected to Nicolas Sarkozy)

Carl Bildt, Sweden (former Prime Minister of Sweden)

January Bgiorklount, Norway (?)

Christoph Blocher, Switzerland (industrialist, Vice President of the Swiss People’s Party)

Alexander Bompar, France (?)

Ana Patricia Botin, Spain, (President of Banco Banesto)

Henri de Castries, France (President of AXA, the French global insurance companies group)

Juan Luis Cebrián, Spain (journalist for Grupo PRISA; his father was a senior journalist in the fascist Franco regime)

W. Edmund Clark, Canada (CEO TD Bank Financial Group)

Kenneth Clarke, Great Britain (MP, Shadow Business Secretary)

Luc Cohen, Belgium (?)

George David, United States (Chairman and former CEO of United Technologies Corporation, board member of Citigroup)

Richard Dearlove, Great Britain (former head of the British Secret Intelligence Service)

Mario Draghi, Italy (economist, governor of the Bank of Italy)

Eldrup Anders, Denmark (CEO Dong Energy)

John Elkann, Italy (Italian industrialist, grandson of the late Gianni Agnelli, and heir to the automaker Fiat)

Thomas Enders, Germany (CEO Airbus)

Jose Entrekanales, Spain (?)

Isintro phenomena casket, Spain (?)

Niall Ferguson, United States (Professor of History at Harvard University and William Ziegler Professor at Harvard Business School)

Timothy Geithner, United States (Secretary of the Treasury)

Ntermot convergence, Ireland (AIV Group) (?)

Donald Graham, United States (CEO and chairman of the board of The Washington Post Company)

Victor Chalmperstant, Netherlands (Leiden University)

Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Netherlands (Dutch politician, minister of Justice in the fourth Balkenende cabinet, member of the Christian Democratic Appeal)

Richard Holbrooke, United States (Obama’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan)

Jaap De Hoop Scheffer, Netherlands (Dutch politician and the current NATO Secretary General)

James Jones, United States (National Security Advisor to the White House)

Vernon Jordan, United States (lawyer, close adviser to President Bill Clinton)

Robert Keigkan, United States (? - possibly Robert Kagan, neocon historian)

Girki Katainen, Finland (?)

John Kerr (aka Baron Kerr of Kinlochard), Britain (Deputy Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell and an independent member of the House of Lords)

Mustafa Vehbi Koç, Turkey (President of industrial conglomerate Koç Holding)

Roland GT, Germany (?)

Sami Cohen, Turkey (Journalist) (?)

Henry Kissinger, United States

Marie Jose Kravis, United States (Hudson Institute)

Neelie Kroes, Netherlands (European Commissioner for Competition)

Odysseas Kyriakopoulos, Greece (Group S & B) (?)

Manuela Ferreira Leite, Portugal (Portuguese economist and politician)

Bernardino Leon Gross, Spain (Secretary General of the Presidency)

Jessica Matthews, United States (President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace)

Philippe Maystadt (President of the European Investment Bank)

Frank McKenna, Canada (Deputy Chairman of the Toronto-Dominion Bank)

John Micklethwait, Great Britain (Editor-in-chief of The Economist)

Thierry de Montbrial, France (founded the Department of Economics of the École Polytechnique and heads the Institut français des relations internationales)

Mario Monti, Italy (Italian economist and politician, President of the Bocconi University of Milan)

Miguel Angel Moratinos, Spain (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Craig Mundie, United States (chief research and strategy officer at Microsoft)

Egil Myklebust, Norway (Chairman of the board of SAS Group, Scandinavian Airlines System)

Mathias Nass, Germany (Editor of the newspaper Die Zeit)

Denis Olivennes, France (director general of Nouvel Observateur)

Frederic Oudea, France (CEO of Société Générale bank)

Cem Özdemir, Germany (co-leader of the Green Party and Member of the European Parliament)

Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa, Italy (Italian banker, economist, and former Minister of Economy and Finance)

Dimitrios Th.Papalexopoulo, Greece (Managing Director of Titan Cement Company SA)

Richard Perle, United States (American Enterprise Institute)

David Petraeus, United States (Commander, U.S. Central Command)

Manuel Pinho, Portugal (Minister of Economy and Innovation)

J. Robert S. Prichard, Canada (CEO of Torstar Corporation and president emeritus of the University of Toronto)

Romano Prodi, Italy (former Italian Prime Minister and former President of the European Commission)

Heather M. Reisman, Canada (co-founder of Indigo Books & Music Inc.).

Eivint Reitan, Norway (economist, corporate officer and politician for the Centre Party)

Michael Rintzier, Czech Republic (?)

David Rockefeller, United States

Dennis Ross, United States (special adviser for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton)

Barnett R. Rubin, United States (Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation)

Alberto Rouith-Gkalarthon, Spain (?)

Susan Sampantzi Ntintzer, Turkey (?) Guler Sabanci, President of Sabanci Holdings (?)

Indira Samarasekera, Canada (President of University of Alberta, Board of Directors Scotiabank)

Rountol Solten, Austria (?)

Jürgen E. Schrempp, Germany (CEO DaimlerChrysler)

Pedro Solbes Mira, Spain (economist, Socialist, Second Vice President and Minister of Economy and Finance)

Sampatzi Saraz, Turkey (banker) (?) possibly Süreyya Serdengeçti (former Governor of the Central Bank of Turkey)

http://arsiv.zaman.com.tr/2002/05/29/ekonomi/h6.htm

Sanata Seketa, Canada (University of Canada) (?)

Lawrence Summers, United States (economist, Director of the White House’s National Economic Council)

Peter Sutherland, Ireland (Chairman, BP and Chairman of Goldman Sachs International)

Martin Taylor, United Kingdom (former chief executive of Barclays Bank, currently Chairman of Syngenta AG)

Peter Thiel, United States (Clarium Capital Management LCC, PayPal co-founder, Board of Directors, Facebook)

Agan Ourgkout, Turkey (?)

Matti Taneli Vanhanen, Finland, (Prime Minister)

Daniel L. Vasella, Switzerland (Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer at Novartis AG)

Jeroen van der Veer, Netherlands (CEO of Royal Dutch Shell)

Guy Verhofstadt, Belgium (former Prime Minister)

Paul Volcker, U.S. (former Federal Reserve director, Chair of Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board)

Jacob Wallenberg, Sweden (chairman of Investor AB and former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Marcus Wallenberg, Sweden (CEO of Investor AB, former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Nout Wellink, Netherlands (Chairman of De Nederlandsche Bank, Board of Directors, the Bank of International Settlements)

Hans Wijers, Netherlands (CEO of the multinational corporation AkzoNobel)

Martin Wolf, Great Britain (associate editor and chief economics commentator at the Financial Times)

James Wolfensohn, United States (former president of the World Bank)

Paul Wolfowitz, United States (for U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, President of the World Bank, currently AEI scholar)

Fareed Zakaria, United States (journalist, author, and CNN host)

Robert Zoellick, United States (former managing director of Goldman Sachs, President the World Bank)

Dora Bakoyannis, Greece (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Anna Diamantopoulou, Greece (Member of Parliament for the Panhellenic Socialist Movement)

Yannis Papathanasiou, Greece (Minister of Finance)

George Alogoskoufis, Greece (former Minister)

George A. David, Greece (businessman, president of Coca-Cola)



 

 

 

 

 

Bohemian Grove 2008 attendee list:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vatfhb

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None of those world leaders who practice Hinduism, Islam, etc. take part in mock child sacrifice. I guess that's one reason I would say it's out of the ordinary.

 

 

Bilderburg 2009 attendee list:

 

Dutch Queen Beatrix

Queen Sofia of Spain

Prince Constantijn (Belgian Prince)

Prince Philippe Etienne Ntavinion, Belgium

Étienne, Viscount Davignon, Belgium (former vice-president of the European Commission)

European royalty have next to zero political influence, as do "former" anythings.

 

Josef Ackermann (Swiss banker and CEO of Deutsche Bank)

Keith B. Alexander, United States (Lieutenant General, U.S. Army, Director of the National Security Agency)

Has he confirmed that he was there?

 

Roger Altman, United States (investment banker, former U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton)

Former

 

Georgios A. Arapoglou, Greece (Governor of National Bank of Greece)

Confirmed by himself?

 

Ali Babaca , Turkey (Deputy Prime Minister responsible for economy)

Confirmed?

 

Francisco Pinto Balsemão, Portugal (former Prime Minister of Portugal)

Former

 

Nicholas Bavarez, France (economist and historian)

Franco Bernabè, Italy (Telecom Italia)

Xavier Bertrand, France (French politician connected to Nicolas Sarkozy)

Carl Bildt, Sweden (former Prime Minister of Sweden)

He is now the Foreign Minister, that's important. Has he confirmed that he attended?

 

January Bgiorklount, Norway (?)

Christoph Blocher, Switzerland (industrialist, Vice President of the Swiss People’s Party)

Alexander Bompar, France (?)

Ana Patricia Botin, Spain, (President of Banco Banesto)

Henri de Castries, France (President of AXA, the French global insurance companies group)

Confirmed?

 

Juan Luis Cebrián, Spain (journalist for Grupo PRISA; his father was a senior journalist in the fascist Franco regime)

W. Edmund Clark, Canada (CEO TD Bank Financial Group)

Kenneth Clarke, Great Britain (MP, Shadow Business Secretary)

Luc Cohen, Belgium (?)

George David, United States (Chairman and former CEO of United Technologies Corporation, board member of Citigroup)

Richard Dearlove, Great Britain (former head of the British Secret Intelligence Service)

Former, confirmed?

 

Mario Draghi, Italy (economist, governor of the Bank of Italy)

Confirmed?

 

Eldrup Anders, Denmark (CEO Dong Energy)

John Elkann, Italy (Italian industrialist, grandson of the late Gianni Agnelli, and heir to the automaker Fiat)

Thomas Enders, Germany (CEO Airbus)

Confirmed?

 

 

Jose Entrekanales, Spain (?)

Isintro phenomena casket, Spain (?)

Niall Ferguson, United States (Professor of History at Harvard University and William Ziegler Professor at Harvard Business School)

Timothy Geithner, United States (Secretary of the Treasury)

Confirmed?

 

Ntermot convergence, Ireland (AIV Group) (?)

Donald Graham, United States (CEO and chairman of the board of The Washington Post Company)

Victor Chalmperstant, Netherlands (Leiden University)

Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Netherlands (Dutch politician, minister of Justice in the fourth Balkenende cabinet, member of the Christian Democratic Appeal)

Richard Holbrooke, United States (Obama’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan)

Confirmed?

 

Jaap De Hoop Scheffer, Netherlands (Dutch politician and the current NATO Secretary General)

No he is not the current head of NATO, that would be the Danish chap instead. However, did Scheffer confirm his attendance?

 

James Jones, United States (National Security Advisor to the White House)

Confirmed?

 

Vernon Jordan, United States (lawyer, close adviser to President Bill Clinton)

Robert Keigkan, United States (? - possibly Robert Kagan, neocon historian)

Girki Katainen, Finland (?)

John Kerr (aka Baron Kerr of Kinlochard), Britain (Deputy Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell and an independent member of the House of Lords)

Confirmed?

 

Mustafa Vehbi Koç, Turkey (President of industrial conglomerate Koç Holding)

Roland GT, Germany (?)

Sami Cohen, Turkey (Journalist) (?)

Henry Kissinger, United States

Confirmed?

 

Marie Jose Kravis, United States (Hudson Institute)

Neelie Kroes, Netherlands (European Commissioner for Competition)

Odysseas Kyriakopoulos, Greece (Group S & B) (?)

Manuela Ferreira Leite, Portugal (Portuguese economist and politician)

Bernardino Leon Gross, Spain (Secretary General of the Presidency)

Jessica Matthews, United States (President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace)

Philippe Maystadt (President of the European Investment Bank)

Frank McKenna, Canada (Deputy Chairman of the Toronto-Dominion Bank)

John Micklethwait, Great Britain (Editor-in-chief of The Economist)

Thierry de Montbrial, France (founded the Department of Economics of the École Polytechnique and heads the Institut français des relations internationales)

Mario Monti, Italy (Italian economist and politician, President of the Bocconi University of Milan)

Miguel Angel Moratinos, Spain (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Confirmed?

 

Craig Mundie, United States (chief research and strategy officer at Microsoft)

Egil Myklebust, Norway (Chairman of the board of SAS Group, Scandinavian Airlines System)

Mathias Nass, Germany (Editor of the newspaper Die Zeit)

Denis Olivennes, France (director general of Nouvel Observateur)

Frederic Oudea, France (CEO of Société Générale bank)

Confirmed?

 

Cem Özdemir, Germany (co-leader of the Green Party and Member of the European Parliament)

Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa, Italy (Italian banker, economist, and former Minister of Economy and Finance)

Dimitrios Th.Papalexopoulo, Greece (Managing Director of Titan Cement Company SA)

Richard Perle, United States (American Enterprise Institute)

Confirmed? Anyway, dude like this means nothing when a Dem is in. Same goes for Kagan and his mates.

 

David Petraeus, United States (Commander, U.S. Central Command)

Confirmed?

 

Manuel Pinho, Portugal (Minister of Economy and Innovation)

J. Robert S. Prichard, Canada (CEO of Torstar Corporation and president emeritus of the University of Toronto)

Romano Prodi, Italy (former Italian Prime Minister and former President of the European Commission)

Former, confirmed?

 

Heather M. Reisman, Canada (co-founder of Indigo Books & Music Inc.).

Eivint Reitan, Norway (economist, corporate officer and politician for the Centre Party)

Michael Rintzier, Czech Republic (?)

David Rockefeller, United States

Confirmed?

 

Dennis Ross, United States (special adviser for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton)

Confirmed?

 

Barnett R. Rubin, United States (Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation)

Alberto Rouith-Gkalarthon, Spain (?)

Susan Sampantzi Ntintzer, Turkey (?) Guler Sabanci, President of Sabanci Holdings (?)

Indira Samarasekera, Canada (President of University of Alberta, Board of Directors Scotiabank)

Rountol Solten, Austria (?)

Jürgen E. Schrempp, Germany (CEO DaimlerChrysler)

Confirmed?

 

Pedro Solbes Mira, Spain (economist, Socialist, Second Vice President and Minister of Economy and Finance)

Sampatzi Saraz, Turkey (banker) (?) possibly Süreyya Serdengeçti (former Governor of the Central Bank of Turkey)

http://arsiv.zaman.com.tr/2002/05/29/ekonomi/h6.htm

Sanata Seketa, Canada (University of Canada) (?)

Lawrence Summers, United States (economist, Director of the White House’s National Economic Council)

Confirmed?

 

Peter Sutherland, Ireland (Chairman, BP and Chairman of Goldman Sachs International)

Confirmed?

 

Martin Taylor, United Kingdom (former chief executive of Barclays Bank, currently Chairman of Syngenta AG)

Confirmed?

 

Peter Thiel, United States (Clarium Capital Management LCC, PayPal co-founder, Board of Directors, Facebook)

Agan Ourgkout, Turkey (?)

Matti Taneli Vanhanen, Finland, (Prime Minister)

Confirmed?

 

Daniel L. Vasella, Switzerland (Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer at Novartis AG)

Confirmed?

 

Jeroen van der Veer, Netherlands (CEO of Royal Dutch Shell)

Confirmed?

 

Guy Verhofstadt, Belgium (former Prime Minister)

Former.

 

Paul Volcker, U.S. (former Federal Reserve director, Chair of Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board)

Confirmed?

 

Jacob Wallenberg, Sweden (chairman of Investor AB and former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Marcus Wallenberg, Sweden (CEO of Investor AB, former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Nout Wellink, Netherlands (Chairman of De Nederlandsche Bank, Board of Directors, the Bank of International Settlements)

Hans Wijers, Netherlands (CEO of the multinational corporation AkzoNobel)

Martin Wolf, Great Britain (associate editor and chief economics commentator at the Financial Times)

James Wolfensohn, United States (former president of the World Bank)

Former

 

Paul Wolfowitz, United States (for U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, President of the World Bank, currently AEI scholar)

He means very little now.

 

Fareed Zakaria, United States (journalist, author, and CNN host)

Robert Zoellick, United States (former managing director of Goldman Sachs, President the World Bank)

Confirmed?

 

Dora Bakoyannis, Greece (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Anna Diamantopoulou, Greece (Member of Parliament for the Panhellenic Socialist Movement)

Yannis Papathanasiou, Greece (Minister of Finance)

Confirmed?

 

George Alogoskoufis, Greece (former Minister)

George A. David, Greece (businessman, president of Coca-Cola)



 

 

 

 

 

Bohemian Grove 2008 attendee list:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vatfhb

 

I think you need to read a bit more about what happens in India. Secondly, you think MOCK child sacrifice is more worrying than stoning to death a 14 year old boy/girl??!!

 

Each person that I have listed with Confirmed? HAve they personally confirmed their presence at the summit? Who made this list and how is it compiled?

 

Lastly, that list is bigger than the UN General assembly and many different countries, industries and cultures are represented. If they are planning some world agenda, rather than taking part in a big networking, shoulder rub cocktail party, how is it that you think so many different agendas and representations can come to an agreement?

 

First thing first though, who made the list, how did they compile it and have the key attendees confirmed?

 

I would also like to point out that this is NOWHERE NEAR the most powerful people in the world. The most powerful people have access to nuclear weapons and mass forces. Second, they are in control of whole countrties, third, there are powerful people outside of the Western/Euro sphere. The only attendees that I can see here that aren't exactly Western/Euro are the Turks. However, they are NATO members and have been in the Western sphere of influence since the end of WW2.

 

There are no Asians, Slavs, Arabs, South Asians, Latams, etc. here. This is just US and western Europe. Neither are there many heads of state or defense. Hardly the world's most powerful people.

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^more innocence.

 

I don't get youtube, pretty sure you know that.

 

Secondly, I never claimed that anyone was innocent. I'm simply refuting your claims of "world's most powerful people" and the assertions that this is where global agendas are set..., and all that crap.

 

You need to pay more attention to the argument at hand.

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You want confirmation, but most of these people won't talk about it publicly.

You can see videos with the attendee's arriving and departing, you can see the list of attendee's faxed to a hotel where it was held.

 

Here's the 2006 list:

 

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Forgot about the youtube thing.

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Sorry, forgot to address the thing you said about stoning:

 

In my opinion, it is uncalled for. It is and has been a part of their culture

for a very long time. Therefore, I find it hard to criticize.

 

The Chinese drive mobile execution vehicles around, they kill for organs, they kill babies, and imprison the innocent. These are not old traditions. I find this easy to deem pure evil.

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You want confirmation, but most of these people won't talk about it publicly.

You can see videos with the attendee's arriving and departing, you can see the list of attendee's faxed to a hotel where it was held.

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And there in lies the problem. A list is created, that's all we've got here. Video might be better, let's see that with all these people mentioned, especially the Pretraeuses and the Geithners and so on. OTher than that, all you have is a list created by some person you don't know. Do I need to point out how many holes that methodology has?

 

A list faxed to a hotel. Who wrote the list? Did all those people on the list actually attend? Sorry, this again is useless as evidence.

 

Once again, I will say that there is a certain amount of power in these types of groups and summits, that is undeniable. However, I will say that the most powerful leaders in the world CERTAINLY DO NOT attend, I will say that only a section of the world is represented at these summits and I will say that they DO NOT have any hidden hand in setting global agendas or anything close to it. To even believe that there is a global agenda is ludicrous.

 

So, we are back to square one.

 

What kind of REAL evidence do you have that the Bilderberg and BG thangs are any more than wild roman orgies where people smear peanut butter on midgets? Now, I know that's what they do there but I can't confirm anything because people won't talk publicly about it. But, I do have an order for peanut butter that was faxed out of a hotel before one of the summits once and as you can see it is a huge order....... See what I'm getting at? Assertions and inference mean zilch.

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Here's the official 2009 press release and attendee list

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16217674/Bilderberg-Members-2009-Press-Release

 

Can't open, please copy and paste. Also need to know the site it came from, who made the press release and whether attendees confirmed. If I'm holding a summit I will add as many important names to the list to make the summit more significant in order to attract significant people. Standard practice in creating prestige.

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Christo-f- if you want to see something on Youtube or anything you can't see where you are, we can download it and upload it as an mp4 to Mediafire or some other hosting site. That way you can watch it with VLC. Also, if you can't get a copy of the VLC installer we'll upload that as well. Just tell us what installer you need.

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Sorry, forgot to address the thing you said about stoning:

 

In my opinion, it is uncalled for. It is and has been a part of their culture

for a very long time. Therefore, I find it hard to criticize. So you can criticise re-enactments of child sacrifice (where no one gets harmed) but you can't criticise brutal slayings of children? You want to think about that a little more?

 

The Chinese drive mobile execution vehicles around, they kill for organs, they kill babies, and imprison the innocent. These are not old traditions. I find this easy to deem pure evil.

 

They kill for organs and kill babies (please don't say forced abortions, I am not interested in a right to life debate. If you say babies, we are talking babies that have been born and are otherwise healthy). Can you show me the proof of that? I'm not saying it doesn't happen and I know worse things do, but I am yet to see solid proof that it does. They imprison innocents, name a country that hasn't done that. I've been in and travelled around China for years, I've never seen one "mobile organ harvesting van". Now, do you know why they made these vans in the first place?

 

Let me add, that I have my own reservations about what happens in many Asian countries, I will not defend a certain number of practices. But I am not in a position to make attacks but I can also say the reservations I have are based on issues that have been proven, I have witnessed or are not denied by the authorities concerned. Not based on sensationalist claims made by people I know nothing about or of issues I have not done primary or independent research on.

 

I urge you to use the same methodology when you choose what to believe.

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And there in lies the problem. A list is created, that's all we've got here. Video might be better, let's see that with all these people mentioned, especially the Pretraeuses and the Geithners and so on. OTher than that, all you have is a list created by some person you don't know. Do I need to point out how many holes that methodology has?

 

A list faxed to a hotel. Who wrote the list? Did all those people on the list actually attend? Sorry, this again is useless as evidence.

 

Once again, I will say that there is a certain amount of power in these types of groups and summits, that is undeniable. However, I will say that the most powerful leaders in the world CERTAINLY DO NOT attend, I will say that only a section of the world is represented at these summits and I will say that they DO NOT have any hidden hand in setting global agendas or anything close to it. To even believe that there is a global agenda is ludicrous.

 

So, we are back to square one.

 

What kind of REAL evidence do you have that the Bilderberg and BG thangs are any more than wild roman orgies where people smear peanut butter on midgets? Now, I know that's what they do there but I can't confirm anything because people won't talk publicly about it. But, I do have an order for peanut butter that was faxed out of a hotel before one of the summits once and as you can see it is a huge order....... See what I'm getting at? Assertions and inference mean zilch.

 

 

Since you can't see youtube or google video I will have to seek a way for you to see video evidence.

 

There are a few people who have been interviewed and admitted to attending Bilderberg, but I can't recall all the names at the moment.

 

As for the lists, they are official press releases. Will work on seeking out something you might deem more viable, as well.

 

 

I see Shai just jumped in and suggested mediafire. That would be a solution.

 

 

 

Also, I believe I have seen video of Tiny Tim Geithner at Bilderberg.

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They kill for organs and kill babies (please don't say forced abortions, I am not interested in a right to life debate. If you say babies, we are talking babies that have been born and are otherwise healthy). Can you show me the proof of that? I'm not saying it doesn't happen and I know worse things do, but I am yet to see solid proof that it does. They imprison innocents, name a country that hasn't done that. I've been in and travelled around China for years, I've never seen one "mobile organ harvesting van". Now, do you know why they made these vans in the first place?

 

Let me add, that I have my own reservations about what happens in many Asian countries, I will not defend a certain number of practices. But I am not in a position to make attacks but I can also say the reservations I have are based on issues that have been proven, I have witnessed or are not denied by the authorities concerned. Not based on sensationalist claims made by people I know nothing about or of issues I have not done primary or independent research on.

 

I urge you to use the same methodology when you choose what to believe.

 

 

China Makes Ultimate Punishment Mobile

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

 

 

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China’s Death Buses Deliver Executions, Organ Harvesting On the Go

 

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/02/chinas_death_buses_deliver_executions_organ_harvesting_on_the_go-2/

 

 

Lots more info on this, Christo.

 

 

I thnk they refer to the baby killing as gendercide. Killing the baby girls.

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Geithner arriving at Bilderberg in Chantilly Virginia, 2008

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5J4A8M50

 

He wasn't the US Sec. Tres. in 2008.

 

YOu know that first we have to confirm that these people attended but that's only confirmation that they were there. Then we have to confirm what the agenda of the meeting was and what was agreed upon by the end of the summit. Attendance is to only confirm that powerful people were there, what they achieve is the real issue, correct?

 

As for the "roving Chinese death vans" as they have been called ever since conception. They were made for lethal injections to be used as a means of execution rather than firing squads in order to be more humane (which is exactly what the articles say that you posted. Did you read them?). The Western media just latched on to it and sensationalised it as roving death squads that would just rock up to your door and execute you. You don't get executed as soon as the judge bangs his gavel either, China has an appeals and oversight process (as fucked up as it is) like most other countries.

 

The organ harvesting claim has been around for a while too and could well be true. However that will just be an issue of localised corruption. To think it is a systemic practice for China to make money is to be stupid enough to believe what you read without thinking for yourself. Let's analyse the facts. How much money could you get out of one person's cadaver (keeping in mind that China is one of the most polluted countries in the world with one of the highest smoker rates and one of the most fucked up hospital systems and extreme poverty)?

 

Let's say USD10 000 per cadaver and 75% of the cadavers are harvestable (generous percentage) of 2000 people (more than what they say they execute). 1500 x 10 000 = USD$15 000 000. China had a total GDP of around USD7.8 trillion with a growth rate of about 9-10% in 2008. Do you really think that they would go to all that trouble just to add a measly 15 mil to the national economy (keeping in mind that the cost of the vans, maintenance, doctors, equipment, etc. have to be paid for before you start making money). Or do you think it may be just a case of some grisly localised corruption that has been overblown by the media?

 

As for the femicide that is not a practice that is allowed by law, is not part of any ethnic culture and is not part of any ideology, neither is it unique to China. Reckon I could find some pretty hideous cases of Child abuse, neglect and murder in the US, Australia, India, etc. Killing a child in China is a crime as it is anywhere else in the world. IT is now even illegal for hospitals to tell the mother what the child will be before it is born to stop terminations of female fetuses. So while killing your kid is completely fucked up I'd assume that even the majority of China would agree with you there. What you are talking about is simple criminal behaviour, the likes of which can be found in most countries.

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He wasn't the US Sec. Tres. in 2008.

 

YOu know that first we have to confirm that these people attended but that's only confirmation that they were there. Then we have to confirm what the agenda of the meeting was and what was agreed upon by the end of the summit. Attendance is to only confirm that powerful people were there, what they achieve is the real issue, correct?

 

As for the "roving Chinese death vans" as they have been called ever since conception. They were made for lethal injections to be used as a means of execution rather than firing squads in order to be more humane (which is exactly what the articles say that you posted. Did you read them?). The Western media just latched on to it and sensationalised it as roving death squads that would just rock up to your door and execute you. You don't get executed as soon as the judge bangs his gavel either, China has an appeals and oversight process (as fucked up as it is) like most other countries.

 

The organ harvesting claim has been around for a while too and could well be true. However that will just be an issue of localised corruption. To think it is a systemic practice for China to make money is to be stupid enough to believe what you read without thinking for yourself. Let's analyse the facts. How much money could you get out of one person's cadaver (keeping in mind that China is one of the most polluted countries in the world with one of the highest smoker rates and one of the most fucked up hospital systems and extreme poverty)?

 

Let's say USD10 000 per cadaver and 75% of the cadavers are harvestable (generous percentage) of 2000 people (more than what they say they execute). 1500 x 10 000 = USD$15 000 000. China had a total GDP of around USD7.8 trillion with a growth rate of about 9-10% in 2008. Do you really think that they would go to all that trouble just to add a measly 15 mil to the national economy (keeping in mind that the cost of the vans, maintenance, doctors, equipment, etc. have to be paid for before you start making money). Or do you think it may be just a case of some grisly localised corruption that has been overblown by the media?

 

As for the femicide that is not a practice that is allowed by law, is not part of any ethnic culture and is not part of any ideology, neither is it unique to China. Reckon I could find some pretty hideous cases of Child abuse, neglect and murder in the US, Australia, India, etc. Killing a child in China is a crime as it is anywhere else in the world. IT is now even illegal for hospitals to tell the mother what the child will be before it is born to stop terminations of female fetuses. So while killing your kid is completely fucked up I'd assume that even the majority of China would agree with you there. What you are talking about is simple criminal behaviour, the likes of which can be found in most countries.

 

 

Ahh, and Obama wasn't President yet, but it is my opinion that he was there.

 

Remember when he disappeared?

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